WMU Broncos

Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
Author Message
goldsworth Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,479
Joined: Feb 2007
Reputation: 20
I Root For: WMU
Location: Dearborn
Post: #41
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
If Fleck continues to out recruit the rest of the MAC during his tenure at WMU will that eventually lead to a championship? It would seem to me at some point he and or his coaching staff have to get better at game planning and coaching players.
11-21-2015 12:21 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rtletterman Offline
Banned

Posts: 2,359
Joined: May 2015
I Root For: LawyersGuns n $
Location: Gull Lake
Post: #42
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-21-2015 12:21 PM)goldsworth Wrote:  If Fleck continues to out recruit the rest of the MAC during his tenure at WMU will that eventually lead to a championship? It would seem to me at some point he and or his coaching staff have to get better at game planning and coaching players.

Let's be clear, this team has the talent to win the championship right now. His players are ahead of him in the curve. I don't think I've seen a more talented team on the field for WMU since the GD year when the cheaters beat us in the MACC.
11-21-2015 12:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ChuckNorris Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,496
Joined: Jan 2009
Reputation: 40
I Root For: Row The Boat
Location:
Post: #43
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
We've had much, much more talented defenses in the last 15 or 16 years than what we have right now.

The talent on offense this year is probably better than anything we've had in that same time frame.
11-21-2015 12:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rtletterman Offline
Banned

Posts: 2,359
Joined: May 2015
I Root For: LawyersGuns n $
Location: Gull Lake
Post: #44
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
COACHING IS LAME
11-21-2015 12:53 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
goldsworth Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,479
Joined: Feb 2007
Reputation: 20
I Root For: WMU
Location: Dearborn
Post: #45
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-21-2015 12:44 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  
(11-21-2015 12:21 PM)goldsworth Wrote:  If Fleck continues to out recruit the rest of the MAC during his tenure at WMU will that eventually lead to a championship? It would seem to me at some point he and or his coaching staff have to get better at game planning and coaching players.

Let's be clear, this team has the talent to win the championship right now. His players are ahead of him in the curve. I don't think I've seen a more talented team on the field for WMU since the GD year when the cheaters beat us in the MACC.
Lets hope the OJT doesn't drag on while the talent graduates.
11-21-2015 12:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rtletterman Offline
Banned

Posts: 2,359
Joined: May 2015
I Root For: LawyersGuns n $
Location: Gull Lake
Post: #46
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-21-2015 12:55 PM)goldsworth Wrote:  
(11-21-2015 12:44 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  
(11-21-2015 12:21 PM)goldsworth Wrote:  If Fleck continues to out recruit the rest of the MAC during his tenure at WMU will that eventually lead to a championship? It would seem to me at some point he and or his coaching staff have to get better at game planning and coaching players.

Let's be clear, this team has the talent to win the championship right now. His players are ahead of him in the curve. I don't think I've seen a more talented team on the field for WMU since the GD year when the cheaters beat us in the MACC.
Lets hope the OJT doesn't drag on while the talent graduates.

Been my fear all along. If it's his ceiling, we could be in trouble, recruiting will tail off and the slide would start.
11-21-2015 01:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GullLake Offline
Support Hong Kong protesters!
*

Posts: 2,518
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 46
I Root For: Joe Manchin
Location:
Post: #47
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-19-2015 08:59 PM)kzoomike Wrote:  
(11-19-2015 01:42 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(11-19-2015 12:56 PM)arrows80 Wrote:  
(11-19-2015 12:46 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(11-19-2015 11:53 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  lol

When we were winning championships several years back, I bragged about it to anyone who would listen.

Serious question, have you EVER bragged about the Michigan MAC trophy to anyone? Anyone at all?

Thanks.

p.s. it's evident this one believes the Texans are better than the Bengals and that the 49ers are better than the Vikings...you know, because a small sample size provides more evidence than a large one.

And have you ever bragged about your team finishing 3rd or 4th in its division to anyone? Anyone at all? Didn't think so. 01-wingedeagle

The Cannon Trophy and Michigan MAC Trophy may be seen in Kalamazoo, not Mount Pleasant. 04-rock

41-39.

lol

Oh, I bragged about finishing third in the MAC West this year? Imma need a link, brah. Now, tell us all again how proud you are of having that Michigan MAC trophy in an otherwise lonely trophy case.

Thanks.

Bottom-line, the trophy(ies) represent the best MAC team in Michigan based on head-to-head competition.

They are in Kalamazoo, not Mount Pleasant.

No bragging, just facts.

I am very proud of the 8+ minute drive WMU engineered in October to beat CMU. I am also proud of the fact our coach decided not to run-up the score when the ball was inside the 1-yard-line as the game ended. CMU's defense was gassed, weak and at Fleck's mercy.

Did I mention it was an 8+ minute drive?

Come to Kalamazoo, see the trophies, have a Bell's and relive that memory.

What trophy will CMU get for a 3rd or 4th place finish?


It's very interesting that you mention trophies when trying to deride Central Michigan Football.

You do realize that they have seven Mid-American Championship trophies, right?

You do realize that they have three bowl championship trophies, right?

Just let that sink in before you get all cocky about a couple of traveling trophies that change hands every year or two. We could lose both the Cannon Trophy and the Michigan MAC Trophy next season...MAC Championships and bowl wins last forever.

This goes down as possibly the dumbest post ever on this board. Probably by a CMU grad, (Chiprule, known for exaggerations, gratuitous distortions and flat-out lies).

I started this thread with the intention of finding something positive about WMU's season after a disappointing, irritating loss.

Beating CMU for the 2nd consecutive year, winning the Cannon Trophy, and, ultimately, the Michigan MAC trophy is that bright spot.

Bragging? No. It was posted on THIS board, a WMU board. Preaching to the supposed choir. Had I gone to a CMU board, or a neutral board, then, yes, it would be bragging.

And the post is about the present, THIS YEAR, not the past.

None of CMU's current players, and maybe only one coach (Mose Rison) were part of those 7 MAC Championships mentioned. They are as irrelevant to the current CMU team as the Detroit's Lion's 1957 championship is to this year's team, or EMU's 1987 Championship is to this year's team.

When Dave Heeke cleaned house of all of the Jones assistants to bring-in the Enos crowd, CMU football lost its championship connection. That said, hiring Bonamego was a smart decision and it will be interesting to see how he changes his coaching staff now that he has time to evaluate and make new hires.

And to the fool who said WMU's win against CMU was "lucky." Well, that is the 2nd dumbest post ever on this board. 01-wingedeagle While it is better to be lucky than good, that luck cuts both ways when thinking about WMU's early mishaps that kept the game from being a laughable runway.

And there is NOTHING lucky about an 8+minute drive late in a game to secure a victory.

Clearly, the better team won that game and that, so far, is the bright spot in an otherwise disappointing Bronco football season.

Hopefully, a win over Toledo and a subsequent bowl victory will shine brighter at season's end.

Go Broncos! Go Hurons - BEAT CMU!

04-cheers
11-23-2015 10:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arrows80 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 678
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 5
I Root For: MSU, CMU
Location:
Post: #48
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
lol

I'm sure if it was Western that had those championships and CMU was working on a quarter-century long drought the message would be the same from you, right?

Thanks.
11-23-2015 10:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GullLake Offline
Support Hong Kong protesters!
*

Posts: 2,518
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 46
I Root For: Joe Manchin
Location:
Post: #49
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-23-2015 10:37 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  lol

I'm sure if it was Western that had those championships and CMU was working on a quarter-century long drought the message would be the same from you, right?

Thanks.

Yes, right.

41-39.
11-23-2015 10:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chipdip2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,663
Joined: May 2007
Reputation: 64
I Root For: America
Location: Planet Earth
Post: #50
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-23-2015 10:37 AM)arrows80 Wrote:  lol

I'm sure if it was Western that had those championships and CMU was working on a quarter-century long drought the message would be the same from you, right?

Thanks.

Your projecting yesteryear as if it is relevant to your present status.

You know and I know that if next years recruiting class is not the best in CMU history, that you'll be dwelling on the good Ol days for the next 5 years. Your last 3 recruiting classes have produced NOTHING.

You lost by 9, could easily have lost by much more. You have had limited success post BK. you are what the scoreboard says you are. If your beloved Chimps are better than prove it on the field.
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2015 10:58 AM by Chipdip2.)
11-23-2015 10:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
george14 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,783
Joined: Aug 2013
Reputation: 28
I Root For: CMU
Location: Detroit
Post: #51
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
I'm not going to say CMU is better than WMU, simply because we lost. We have beaten NIU the last 2 years and they finished ahead of us in the standings, it is what it is.

However, I don't think WMU is exactly ahead of CMU for football. There needs to be something big that happens. As stated, we are 2 straight over NIU and 3/5, but we don't have any MAC Championships in that time frame. So I would not say we are better. To me, WMU and CMU are in the same spot roughly. WMU needs to win a bowl game at least to show they can do that.
11-23-2015 12:23 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chipdip2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,663
Joined: May 2007
Reputation: 64
I Root For: America
Location: Planet Earth
Post: #52
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-23-2015 12:23 PM)george14 Wrote:  I'm not going to say CMU is better than WMU, simply because we lost. We have beaten NIU the last 2 years and they finished ahead of us in the standings, it is what it is.

However, I don't think WMU is exactly ahead of CMU for football. There needs to be something big that happens. As stated, we are 2 straight over NIU and 3/5, but we don't have any MAC Championships in that time frame. So I would not say we are better. To me, WMU and CMU are in the same spot roughly. WMU needs to win a bowl game at least to show they can do that.

You can hang your hat on the NIU win. Keep in mind NIU had 4 turnovers, several unforced. You also squeaked by BSU, a team we thrashed. Yiu had your chance, you got down 34-16, put some points up to make it look close, and then Western essentially imposed their will, took a knee, dusted off the hardware, and put it back where it's been 4 of the last 5 years.

Same spot 03-lmfao

You haven't a QB in the wings that looks promising.
You've gone through every RB you have and they're all slow and unproductive
Your Oline can't open up a hole.

You're delusional thinking there are freshmen in the wings that are going to light up the MAC. Enos was an awful recruiter his last two years. Your class this year will be tiny and is loaded with players with one offer.........CMU.

You guys are still holding out that Rayshawn Wilborn will somehow enroll at CMU, as if he's some sort of one man savior.

Barring an amazing recruiting class or a series of key injuries, I don't see CMU beating us in the next three years. Too much stockpiled talent. But if it ends up we've won 7 of the last 8 it won't matter. You'll rub wrasslen in our face, or some jock carrying a 4.0 in Tiddlywink Sciences.
11-23-2015 01:38 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
toddjnsn Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,553
Joined: Sep 2009
Reputation: 154
I Root For: WMU, MAC
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Post: #53
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
Quote:I'm not going to say CMU is better than WMU, simply because we lost. We have beaten NIU the last 2 years and they finished ahead of us in the standings, it is what it is.

You "have NIU's number", tho. If you and NIU were comparable teams roughly tied when sizing up schedules & Ws/Ls, etc -- then I WOULD say you'd be better than NIU if you won 2 games back to back. However, when there's a good sized GAP, and/or the other team wins the division and you don't -- then it's just a "we have your number". Kind of like when CMU always had our number when playing in Mt Pleasant no matter what (see year 2000).

Quote:However, I don't think WMU is exactly ahead of CMU for football. There needs to be something big that happens. As stated, we are 2 straight over NIU and 3/5, but we don't have any MAC Championships in that time frame.

They're in the same ballpark -- that's when it comes down to "Who's beaten the other on any consistent basis lately?" You can say you beat NIU last year -- and Purdue -- while we lost to both, but we went 8-4 and beat the MAC East Champs (you didn't play them), you went 7-5, and we beat you in your house (which cuts through the pluses & minuses).

If we lose @Toledo (decent shot we will), and we're 5-3 and you're 6-2, but we beat you, it's pretty much a wash if you're doing a 1-on-1 comparison of who's-better. We also had to play the MAC East Champs BGSU while you didn't have to. If anything, it'd lean on us. However, if we lose our bowl and you win your bowl -- then you could say the arrow points your way without question.
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2015 02:07 PM by toddjnsn.)
11-23-2015 02:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chipdip2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,663
Joined: May 2007
Reputation: 64
I Root For: America
Location: Planet Earth
Post: #54
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
More Slappytard delusion

Chippette- "it's a small sampling, but to date Bono > Fleck. Bono has over achieved and Fleck has underachieved."

Seeing we're dealing with "the simpleminded" a little clarity is called for.

1. Has Bono had an 8 win season? Fleck did. So who overachieved?

2. Has Bono won in a head to head with Fleck?

3. Fleck played the 1st, 2nd, and 5th place East teams. Bono played the 3rd, 4th, and 6th place teams. We all know if the schedules are reversed you lose one or two more.

4. Fleck is playing with far more underclassmen.

5. Fleck is CRUSHING him in recruiting.

6. Fleck is a dick, Bono is a class guy.

Bono has the character edge, Fleck has the rest.

Enjoy the big 3rd place finish. Monumental achievement 03-lmfao we both know what the future hold in regard to these programs. Beginning in 2017 it's going to get ugly.
11-26-2015 08:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Hiller4Hyz09 Offline
Bronco Addict
*

Posts: 13,360
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 174
I Root For: WMU
Location:
Post: #55
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-26-2015 08:16 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  More Slappytard delusion

Chippette- "it's a small sampling, but to date Bono > Fleck. Bono has over achieved and Fleck has underachieved."

Seeing we're dealing with "the simpleminded" a little clarity is called for.

1. Has Bono had an 8 win season? Fleck did. So who overachieved?

2. Has Bono won in a head to head with Fleck?

3. Fleck played the 1st, 2nd, and 5th place East teams. Bono played the 3rd, 4th, and 6th place teams. We all know if the schedules are reversed you lose one or two more.

4. Fleck is playing with far more underclassmen.

5. Fleck is CRUSHING him in recruiting.

6. Fleck is a dick, Bono is a class guy.

Bono has the character edge, Fleck has the rest.

Enjoy the big 3rd place finish. Monumental achievement 03-lmfao we both know what the future hold in regard to these programs. Beginning in 2017 it's going to get ugly.

Fair and balanced! 04-cheers
11-26-2015 08:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rtletterman Offline
Banned

Posts: 2,359
Joined: May 2015
I Root For: LawyersGuns n $
Location: Gull Lake
Post: #56
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
A good guy like that have has to be able to recruit well.
11-26-2015 11:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chipdip2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,663
Joined: May 2007
Reputation: 64
I Root For: America
Location: Planet Earth
Post: #57
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-26-2015 11:15 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  A good guy like that have has to be able to recruit well.

His class is pretty lame. I don't think he's mastered the art of bullchitting yet.
11-26-2015 11:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rtletterman Offline
Banned

Posts: 2,359
Joined: May 2015
I Root For: LawyersGuns n $
Location: Gull Lake
Post: #58
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-26-2015 11:40 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(11-26-2015 11:15 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  A good guy like that have has to be able to recruit well.

His class is pretty lame. I don't think he's mastered the art of bullchitting yet.

Yeah, how sad is that? Gotta be all hot air these days to get ahead.

Or......He might be one of those "awful recruiters" that waits to announce his verbals. We heard very little about that great recruiting class of Cubit's until LOI day if you remember.
11-27-2015 12:17 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chipdip2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,663
Joined: May 2007
Reputation: 64
I Root For: America
Location: Planet Earth
Post: #59
RE: Well, we are still better than CMU, back-to-back victories...
(11-27-2015 12:17 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  
(11-26-2015 11:40 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(11-26-2015 11:15 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  A good guy like that have has to be able to recruit well.

His class is pretty lame. I don't think he's mastered the art of bullchitting yet.

Yeah, how sad is that? Gotta be all hot air these days to get ahead.

Or......He might be one of those "awful recruiters" that waits to announce his verbals. We heard very little about that great recruiting class of Cubit's until LOI day if you remember.

None of them announce their verbals, it's an NCAA violation.

Fleck is an amazing bullshitter when it comes to recruiting. I don't think Bono has grasped recruiting. I wouldn't compare him to Cubit either. Cubit was a great recruiter as an assistant and brought in several NFL players as a coach. Bono is having the same problem in mi that Enos did; can't compete.
11-27-2015 11:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.