Looks like a money grab to me and unnecessary. Rice and Houston have more than enough capacity to serve this. This will have an affect on Houston if it comes to fruition and needs to be stopped. Instead of duplicating dollars, just fund Houston and other schools more.


http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/sta...m-referral


The University of Texas System’s plan to establish a campus in Houston is prompting questions about the need for such a venture, its cost and the inevitable competition with the University of Houston and other schools for students, faculty and philanthropic dollars.

UT Chancellor Bill McRaven, who came up with the plan, envisions an intellectual hub for education and research capitalizing on the energy, medical and other strengths of the state’s largest city. The system’s Board of Regents has authorized McRaven and his staff to purchase 332 acres of mostly undeveloped land in the southwestern part of the city.

“We know that there is broad support for UT in Houston,” said Paul Foster, chairman of the regents. “For UT-Austin alone, we have more alumni and more student applicants hailing from Houston than anywhere else in the state.”
- See more at: http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/sta...Luvl3.dpuf

Sounds like UT's response to the UH president trying to pressure their way into Big 12.

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They are maxed out in Austin and have been sending kids to UTSA campus for the first year or two I don't see why they can't just expand that

In the DFW area, we have two UT institutions (UTD and UTA), a large public university not affiliated with UT (UNT), a small public university not affiliated with UT (TWU), TCU, SMU, DBU, University of Dallas, not to mention the smaller universities no one knew about until Doh scheduled them in basketball.

I think Houston can easily handle a new UT institution without any major effects on UH or Rice.

I'm not worried. It will either be apart of another branch or it will be a hybrid campus. Won't be a school many kids are dying to attend. I also don't think it will be pulling any research funding from UH. Consider it another UH-Sugarland but has the name UT in front of it.

(11-11-2015 07:51 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  In the DFW area, we have two UT institutions (UTD and UTA), a large public university not affiliated with UT (UNT), a small public university not affiliated with UT (TWU), TCU, SMU, DBU, University of Dallas, not to mention the smaller universities no one knew about until Doh scheduled them in basketball.

I think Houston can easily handle a new UT institution without any major effects on UH or Rice.

It won't affect Rice, because Rice is an elite university, sandwiched between Vanderbilt and Notre Dame in the US News rankings.

But this is a big threat to Houston, no question about it. This satellite will compete for precisely the kinds of working and middle-class kids who don't have the academic credentials to go UT-Austin that Houston attracts.

Big threat to UH, no sugar-coating it.

(11-11-2015 07:44 PM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  Sounds like UT's response to the UH president trying to pressure their way into Big 12.

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Yeah, they want into our athletics conference, so we'll spend a billion dollars to put an entire CAMPUS in their city. Makes sense

(11-11-2015 07:44 PM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  Sounds like UT's response to the UH president trying to pressure their way into Big 12.

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This has been in the works long before that

(11-11-2015 07:51 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  In the DFW area, we have two UT institutions (UTD and UTA), a large public university not affiliated with UT (UNT), a small public university not affiliated with UT (TWU), TCU, SMU, DBU, University of Dallas, not to mention the smaller universities no one knew about until Doh scheduled them in basketball.

I think Houston can easily handle a new UT institution without any major effects on UH or Rice.

the dallas dynamics dont translate.. and it will have major effects on houston.
private schools are completely different and it has no affect on rice but it will on houston

the people that give us our money are the same people (the state)

Houston has dramatically gotten more funding the last few years on the premise of "the city of houston deserves to have a public university that has .... "
and the state is pushing Houston to have a top university in the country

UT-houston and the texas system can say "we can be that school for Houston, we should be the ones getting the funding" notice how of all the schools you named only 1 public school is highly regard (UTD) the rest arent ..the state/ city arent going to be double spend

this wont be a big deal if houston is still viewed as the prized cattle, but this could be bad if UTH takes that role from us

the board lady brought up a great point. the UT and UH system are different but the one paying for it is the same entity. why is there a need for 2

(11-11-2015 08:12 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 07:44 PM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  Sounds like UT's response to the UH president trying to pressure their way into Big 12.

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Yeah, they want into our athletics conference, so we'll spend a billion dollars to put an entire CAMPUS in their city. Makes sense

Should have started it better. This is not a direct response, but instead a statement by UT leadership that they believe UH is small time and their history has created an educational vacuum in Houston that can best be filled by a new UT campus vice more Texas funding for UH. That statement, even indirectly, is a shot across the bow of UH regarding funding and is a very big deal.

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Neither universities will feel any adverse effects. Each of these 3 schools are going after completely different caliber of student. There is a chance that the UT institution could rival UH at some point, but it won't be for decades after it opens.

(11-11-2015 08:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 07:51 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  In the DFW area, we have two UT institutions (UTD and UTA), a large public university not affiliated with UT (UNT), a small public university not affiliated with UT (TWU), TCU, SMU, DBU, University of Dallas, not to mention the smaller universities no one knew about until Doh scheduled them in basketball.

I think Houston can easily handle a new UT institution without any major effects on UH or Rice.

It won't affect Rice, because Rice is an elite university, sandwiched between Vanderbilt and Notre Dame in the US News rankings.

But this is a big threat to Houston, no question about it. This satellite will compete for precisely the kinds of working and middle-class kids who don't have the academic credentials to go UT-Austin that Houston attracts.

Big threat to UH, no sugar-coating it.

it is a threat to houston but not for that reason. Houston has one of te lowest acceptance rates for a public school, simply because Houston is so big and we are the only public school that was repeatable locally

people like to make it seem that UH is a school that anyone can get into because of our not horrible not great rankings (180-200 range on usnews) when that isnt the case ...it's not easy to get into UH, the problem that kills UH's rankings is the 4 and 6 graduation rate (which is very bad). the commuter school culture plays into that, which the school is trying to break with the heavy amount of dorm additions and trying to get people to stay on campus.

i had a debate with some people in the college ranking thread about why graduation rate is a ranking criteria for a schools academic quality. theoretically a school with a hard curriculum where most kids cant pass and few graduate should be higher ranked (not saying that is Houston)

but back to point, we have more than enough students in Houston to be fine, the reason itll hurt Houston is state funding not students

(11-11-2015 08:23 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Neither universities will feel any adverse effects. Each of these 3 schools are going after completely different caliber of student. There is a chance that the UT institution could rival UH at some point, but it won't be for decades after it opens.

I agree but you have to think long term on situations like this

So are they gonna rename houston
UT - Houston

(11-11-2015 08:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 08:23 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Neither universities will feel any adverse effects. Each of these 3 schools are going after completely different caliber of student. There is a chance that the UT institution could rival UH at some point, but it won't be for decades after it opens.

I agree but you have to think long term on situations like this

I just don't see Houston, as a research university, even caring. I mean, what I should say is if this situation were to negatively affect anyone, it would end up being the UT campus, not UH.

(11-11-2015 08:35 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 08:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 08:23 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Neither universities will feel any adverse effects. Each of these 3 schools are going after completely different caliber of student. There is a chance that the UT institution could rival UH at some point, but it won't be for decades after it opens.

I agree but you have to think long term on situations like this

I just don't see Houston, as a research university, even caring. I mean, what I should say is if this situation were to negatively affect anyone, it would end up being the UT campus, not UH.

Why, they are maxed out on campus so now they are setting up farms. UTSA came up from nowhere with full support from Austin

This isn't going to cause problems for undergraduate studies at UH. It MIGHT cause problems with UH's pursuit of a medical school.

Kids in Houston who dream of going off to UT aren't going to be immediately going to UT-Houston. They'll likely do what they've been doing since the top 10% rule came to pass; go to St Edwards or ACC and party with their Longhorn friends, slum it at Texas State, or head off to TCU and hang out with other rich underachievers.

(11-11-2015 08:43 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  This isn't going to cause problems for undergraduate studies at UH. It MIGHT cause problems with UH's pursuit of a medical school.

Kids in Houston who dream of going off to UT aren't going to be immediately going to UT-Houston. They'll likely do what they've been doing since the top 10% rule came to pass; go to St Edwards or ACC and party with their Longhorn friends, slum it at Texas State, or head off to TCU and hang out with other rich underachievers.

Hey, I started out at Almost College College

(11-11-2015 08:35 PM)shere khan Wrote:  So are they gonna rename houston
UT - Houston

Bet my life savings hell will freeze over before that happens.

(11-11-2015 08:43 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  This isn't going to cause problems for undergraduate studies at UH. It MIGHT cause problems with UH's pursuit of a medical school.

Kids in Houston who dream of going off to UT aren't going to be immediately going to UT-Houston. They'll likely do what they've been doing since the top 10% rule came to pass; go to St Edwards or ACC and party with their Longhorn friends, slum it at Texas State, or head off to TCU and hang out with other rich underachievers.

There's always ole miss if they are really really really dumb