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Equity in Athletics Report

The AAC is easily the top G5 conference in terms of AD revenues.
#51 UConn - $72,155,789
#68 UCF - $51,871,022
#69 SMU - $49M
#70 ECU - $48M
#71 USF - $48M
#73 Cincinnati - $43M
#75 Memphis - $41M
#77 Tulane - $41M
#78 Tulsa - $40M
#80 Temple - $39M
#81 Houston - $39M

The AAC has 11 of the top 16 non-P5 schools. #67 BYU is behind UConn at $59M and then four MWC schools mixed in with the AAC's bottom half. (see below)

The MWC's top team is #72 San Diego St. at $44M - who would come in 6th in the AAC. Also:
#74 Hawaii ($42M)
#76 Fresno St. ($41M)
#79 UNLV ($39M)

The MWC also includes #99 Utah St. ($27M), #104 San Jose St. ($26M) and #105 Nevada (also $26M)

I couldn't find any data for Navy, Air Force, or Army.

#82 Rice is CUSA's top team, at $37M, about $9-10M more than most of the rest of CUSA. Ironically, #90 UAB was CUSA's #2 team with $31M. HA!

#88 UMass is the MAC's top team, with $33M, followed closely by Akron at $32M. The top-half of the MAC is between $27M to $33M, while the bottom half ranges from $21M-$25M.

#85 Texas St. is the Sun Belt's best team with just under $34M (ahead of Wyoming and New Mexico - both at $33M). The next best Sun Belt school is #101 Georgia ST. at $27M. 8 of the bottom 11 are Sun Belt schools. The last place school is Louisiana-Monroe at $11M...ouch...

I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Seems ECU made a big jump with AAC entry

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

We have 11 of the top 16 non-P5 schools - there was a clear pattern to how Aresco backfilled the conference.

Why is Houston at the bottom? I guess the new stadium revenues will fix that, though...

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

(11-10-2015 02:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

And Cincinnati's revenues dropped from 59M to 43M. The AAC is just killin' them.

So Rice and UMass look like future AAC schools?

The private schools are not listed in the USA Today database, but I'd imagine we're around $40 million, though.

The USA Today numbers are old. They still list us in CUSA.

(11-10-2015 02:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

USA Today doesn't report from where their numbers come. It doesn't include any private schools. No Notre Dame. No USC. No Stanford. No Duke. No Boston College. No BYU. etc.

The Equity in Athletics data comes from the US Department of Education based on numbers reported to them from the schools. It includes the private schools. I couldn't find any information for the military institutions.

Perhaps the USA Today list is more accurate. Or may be it's based on calendar year revenue, whereas the US Department of Education data comes from July 2014 to June 30, 2015 reports.

USA Today lists Oregon as #1 with $196M. The US Dept. of Education data lists Oregon at #35 with $85M. One explanation could be that the USA Today list includes subsidies and donations, but the other lists only true revenue. ??

(11-10-2015 02:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Ah, you found the inherent flaw with attempting to report school AD data. Governmental accounting rules for these public schools leaves a little too much leeway. Even if you got a standard system, schools would gladly spend, spend, spend to avoid looking like they are making too much money.

(11-10-2015 02:20 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The USA Today numbers are old. They still list us in CUSA.

They are listed as 2014 numbers, but perhaps they are saying the school year ending in 2014. Otherwise, they just didn't bother to update their conference affiliations.

(11-10-2015 02:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

And Cincinnati's revenues dropped from 59M to 43M. The AAC is just killin' them.

Cincinnati and Memphis are bleeding money in the AAC. BXII help!

(11-10-2015 02:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  USA Today lists Oregon as #1 with $196M. The US Dept. of Education data lists Oregon at #35 with $85M. One explanation could be that the USA Today list includes subsidies and donations, but the other lists only true revenue. ??

The mystery of the missing $111 million?

(11-10-2015 02:30 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  USA Today lists Oregon as #1 with $196M. The US Dept. of Education data lists Oregon at #35 with $85M. One explanation could be that the USA Today list includes subsidies and donations, but the other lists only true revenue. ??

The mystery of the missing $111 million?

Or, Phil Knight to the rescue....

(11-10-2015 02:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Ah, you found the inherent flaw with attempting to report school AD data. Governmental accounting rules for these public schools leaves a little too much leeway. Even if you got a standard system, schools would gladly spend, spend, spend to avoid looking like they are making too much money.

While most PAC schools and a few ACC and B1G schools reported $0 profits (revenues = expenses, how quaint!), Ohio St., Alabama, and Texas reported profits of around $30 million and much of the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 reported profits in the $10-20 million range.

Most of the non-P5 reported $0 profits, where revenues=expenses. However, BYU, Boise St., and UCF (and North Texas....) were outliers, reporting profits of about $5 million each.

(11-10-2015 02:51 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:22 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Ah, you found the inherent flaw with attempting to report school AD data. Governmental accounting rules for these public schools leaves a little too much leeway. Even if you got a standard system, schools would gladly spend, spend, spend to avoid looking like they are making too much money.

While most PAC schools and a few ACC and B1G schools reported $0 profits (revenues = expenses, how quaint!), Ohio St., Alabama, and Texas reported profits of around $30 million and much of the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 reported profits in the $10-20 million range.

Most of the non-P5 reported $0 profits, where revenues=expenses. However, BYU, Boise St., and UCF (and North Texas....) were outliers, reporting profits of about $5 million each.

What I was trying to point out is that you can't just look at one department's finances and expect to get a straight answer. There is nothing to govern it. For instance, schools routinely charge their athletic department's full tuition for each student on scholarship, regardless of the actual cost to educate them. It doesn't change anything except the way the the finances of the university's departments look.

And if you don't think schools can play with numbers they report to the department of education, I invite you to go look at the FCOA numbers, because those are based on the same data.

My main point is that this stuff is hard to quantify in an exact science. You can make some pretty obvious conclusions, like P5 schools make more than G5 schools and OSU/Texas type schools make a ton of money, but I think it's tough to take either the USA Today study or the EIA study and make hard conclusions.

I'd be willing to bet Cincy's revenue stream will be up 7-10 million this year. PBS was a killer.

(11-10-2015 02:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 02:01 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I question the myriad book keeping methods used by the schools & really wonder how these numbers are created.

Here our "revenues" have dropped radically. I could have sworn that not long ago our "revenues" were 50 plus million --- now they're 41M? AAC?

Yep --- Memphis' revenues are ranked #55 at $50,278,503.

USAToday list - all 230 schools by revenue and expenses >>>

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

And Cincinnati's revenues dropped from 59M to 43M. The AAC is just killin' them.

Yea same old story of the chicken or the egg. Bearcat #1 can fill us in.