(11-08-2015 12:04 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 12:00 PM)CFF1991 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:54 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:30 AM)transitt Wrote:  Memphis was due for a down game. Unfortunately it came last night. Much respect to Navy. They are a hell of a team. Time to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and move on to try to beat Houston. I hope this woke the team up a bit.

Memphis didn't have a down game. Navy is just a very solid team that doesn't beat themselves. Memphis would have had to have been fundamentally sound to beat Navy, because the Navy defense while underrated will create turnovers.

I am not sure if Houston will be able to handle Navy either. The good news for Houston is that they are not a wide open offense under Herman, which will make the Navy game very interesting. The bad news for Houston is that Navy gave Ohio State fits last year, before Ohio State finally pulled away. Navy v. Houston should be a really good game.

I think that Temple would beat Navy, because Temple is fundamentally sound like Navy; but Temple has better athletes.

Disagree about Houston. Houston defense will shut Navy down. Memphis has a bad defense hence why they are losing now to balanced teams.

We have played, and beaten, balanced teams. We are 15 and 1 on our last 16 games. Can Houston say the same? You nearly lost to Cincy last night. Don't get so arrogant about Navy.

I saw an average team last night against Navy. Navy zoned you and beat you by 25. Houston dials up a ton of different packages and force turnovers against Cincy. You guys might be in for a losing streak now to end the year. Don't know why AAC gave you a backloaded schedule like that.

(11-08-2015 01:25 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 12:01 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:54 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:30 AM)transitt Wrote:  Memphis was due for a down game. Unfortunately it came last night. Much respect to Navy. They are a hell of a team. Time to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and move on to try to beat Houston. I hope this woke the team up a bit.

Memphis didn't have a down game. Navy is just a very solid team that doesn't beat themselves. Memphis would have had to have been fundamentally sound to beat Navy, because the Navy defense while underrated will create turnovers.

I am not sure if Houston will be able to handle Navy either. The good news for Houston is that they are not a wide open offense under Herman, which will make the Navy game very interesting. The bad news for Houston is that Navy gave Ohio State fits last year, before Ohio State finally pulled away. Navy v. Houston should be a really good game.

I think that Temple would beat Navy, because Temple is fundamentally sound like Navy; but Temple has better athletes.

Memphis had a down game. Lynch threw only his second interception of the season, we had multiple fumbles, missed on a 4th and 1 deep in Navy territory which would have extended Memphis' lead. Memphis is a fundamentally sound team. Fifteen game winning streaks don't occur without a team being fundamentally sound. We also went super conservative on offense which I feel was a mistake.

You didn't just have a case of the dropsies fumbling the ball, Navy was taking it away.

You miss a FG. You don't miss a 4th & 1, Navy stopped you.

Navy also had a QB rating of 268.8 going 3-5 passing with an easy catch dropped in the end zone.

Memphis may not have had their best game, but a large part of that was because of Navy. We were rushing 3 & flushing Lynch out of the pocket. Most anyone but Lynch would have not been able to scramble out of that.

Memphis wasn't able to deal with our Triple Option. When it got down to the goal line, the Memphis D sold out to stop Keenan Reynolds from breaking the record. So we exploited that and gave it to someone else. That's how our system works.

Memphis is a good team, but IMO you're misreading Navy if you think last night was just a down game for Memphis. Good luck the rest of the way out.

I think you are wrong , I have watched this team all year and last night we made way too many mistakes to win. We had alot of trouble with the option but we stopped it enough to give our O the chance to win the game they just executed very poorly . I doubt Lynch has another game he throws that inaccurate.

I know the focus here is on the next game on the schedule, but it is funny to me that Houston fans can see that Navy solidly beat Memphis, but somehow can't see that the EXACT same thing could happen on Nov27th.

(11-08-2015 01:25 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 12:01 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:54 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:30 AM)transitt Wrote:  Memphis was due for a down game. Unfortunately it came last night. Much respect to Navy. They are a hell of a team. Time to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and move on to try to beat Houston. I hope this woke the team up a bit.

Memphis didn't have a down game. Navy is just a very solid team that doesn't beat themselves. Memphis would have had to have been fundamentally sound to beat Navy, because the Navy defense while underrated will create turnovers.

I am not sure if Houston will be able to handle Navy either. The good news for Houston is that they are not a wide open offense under Herman, which will make the Navy game very interesting. The bad news for Houston is that Navy gave Ohio State fits last year, before Ohio State finally pulled away. Navy v. Houston should be a really good game.

I think that Temple would beat Navy, because Temple is fundamentally sound like Navy; but Temple has better athletes.

Memphis had a down game. Lynch threw only his second interception of the season, we had multiple fumbles, missed on a 4th and 1 deep in Navy territory which would have extended Memphis' lead. Memphis is a fundamentally sound team. Fifteen game winning streaks don't occur without a team being fundamentally sound. We also went super conservative on offense which I feel was a mistake.

You didn't just have a case of the dropsies fumbling the ball, Navy was taking it away.

You miss a FG. You don't miss a 4th & 1, Navy stopped you.

Navy also had a QB rating of 268.8 going 3-5 passing with an easy catch dropped in the end zone.

Memphis may not have had their best game, but a large part of that was because of Navy. We were rushing 3 & flushing Lynch out of the pocket. Most anyone but Lynch would have not been able to scramble out of that.

Memphis wasn't able to deal with our Triple Option. When it got down to the goal line, the Memphis D sold out to stop Keenan Reynolds from breaking the record. So we exploited that and gave it to someone else. That's how our system works.

Memphis is a good team, but IMO you're misreading Navy if you think last night was just a down game for Memphis. Good luck the rest of the way out.

Props to Navy, they came to town and won convincingly. A physical team with a good plan. You guys were a bad match up for us and I think a lot of us feared just that. I think we underestimated your speed to the corner and it showed. You've perfected the "holding but not holding" technique on the ends. I haven't watched you guys enough to know if that was standard game effort for you or not.

I can tell you by the passes at our player's feet and the dropped passes that our offense was off. If you think your defense was the only thing that kept us to 20 points, I think you're mistaken. Having said that, your defense was better than I expected.

I'm not going to predict what happens in the next few weeks, that's pointless. We don't match up with Houston (Ward) very well either honestly. Hopefully we'll have a better plan.

Can't wait to see what you guys do going forward. Please don't follow up by going out and playing like crap.

(11-08-2015 03:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I know the focus here is on the next game on the schedule, but it is funny to me that Houston fans can see that Navy solidly beat Memphis, but somehow can't see that the EXACT same thing could happen on Nov27th.

Our DC coached at Utah State previously and held AFA to 16 and 20 points. He knows how to defend the triple option. Not to mention, there's a certain employee in our AD that basically invented the thing. That doesn't guarantee a win, but we'll be about as prepared as you can be.

(11-08-2015 04:22 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 03:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I know the focus here is on the next game on the schedule, but it is funny to me that Houston fans can see that Navy solidly beat Memphis, but somehow can't see that the EXACT same thing could happen on Nov27th.

Our DC coached at Utah State previously and held AFA to 16 and 20 points. He knows how to defend the triple option. Not to mention, there's a certain employee in our AD that basically invented the thing. That doesn't guarantee a win, but we'll be about as prepared as you can be.

Despite what commentators say, AF hasn't really been a triple option team since Fisher DeBerry was fired & Troy Calhoun arrived. TC said immediately upon arrival that he wanted more passing & balance. They do run some triple option, but not nearly as often as they are credited with it. Plus AF hasn't had the level of talent that Navy currently has since their 1985 team, especially not in the last 15 years or so. Yes, I know they won 10 games last year too.

(11-08-2015 04:54 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 04:22 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 03:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I know the focus here is on the next game on the schedule, but it is funny to me that Houston fans can see that Navy solidly beat Memphis, but somehow can't see that the EXACT same thing could happen on Nov27th.

Our DC coached at Utah State previously and held AFA to 16 and 20 points. He knows how to defend the triple option. Not to mention, there's a certain employee in our AD that basically invented the thing. That doesn't guarantee a win, but we'll be about as prepared as you can be.

Despite what commentators say, AF hasn't really been a triple option team since Fisher DeBerry was fired & Troy Calhoun arrived. TC said immediately upon arrival that he wanted more passing & balance. They do run some triple option, but not nearly as often as they are credited with it. Plus AF hasn't had the level of talent that Navy currently has since their 1985 team, especially not in the last 15 years or so. Yes, I know they won 10 games last year too.

Two games worth of film of what your DC is highly likely to do? I'll take Niumatalolo and Jasper adjustments to win that. But I will be concerned with SMU and Tulsa first. See you in a couple weeks Coog fans.

(11-08-2015 03:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I know the focus here is on the next game on the schedule, but it is funny to me that Houston fans can see that Navy solidly beat Memphis, but somehow can't see that the EXACT same thing could happen on Nov27th.

Navy will be surprised by how quickly UH will shut that option down. You are finally playing the top dog in this conference.

I thought Navy was just plain better. We did not help ourselves with some turnovers and bad play, but it might not have mattered.

(11-08-2015 05:38 PM)CFF1991 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 03:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I know the focus here is on the next game on the schedule, but it is funny to me that Houston fans can see that Navy solidly beat Memphis, but somehow can't see that the EXACT same thing could happen on Nov27th.

Navy will be surprised by how quickly UH will shut that option down. You are finally playing the top dog in this conference.

I'd suggest that it's possibly Houston "fan" rather than Houston "fans". :) If you just read his stuff for entertainment and don't take it seriously, you can get a few grins.

(11-08-2015 11:30 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I thought Navy was just plain better. We did not help ourselves with some turnovers and bad play, but it might not have mattered.

I mean, it matters if Memphis doesn't make uncharacteristic turnovers and plays sloppy on offense. It's hard for the Defense to make some stops, and the offense does not take advantage of it. I felt by the time it was crunch time, the defense was just to tired, and the offense was not giving anything to help build confidence. Do we win? I don't know. Hypotheticals are nonsense. But those mistakes matter.

I think I stand with those who believe the defense made a few stops, enough that could have changed momentum, and our offense was not opportunistic. Credit goes to Navy, but our mistakes killed us. I think we could have lived with penalties, but not penalties on top of turnovers.

The team lives or dies by this offense. It is the engine, and I think the defense thrives on that energy, even when it's being beaten to death, and causes them to make some big stops to help out. But it's not good enough to do it all the time, and as soon as the offense just crumbles, and we stop being anywhere near quasi-disciplined, it was over.

I don't know how Memphis will do against Houston next week. My hope is Memphis uses Navy like they used Houston last year, the fuel to change course, re-focus, and come out with determination to not feel a loss again. But whether that happens or not? No clue. But I think Houston shouldn't expect to win 45-14.

(11-09-2015 12:22 AM)TylerTiger Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:30 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I thought Navy was just plain better. We did not help ourselves with some turnovers and bad play, but it might not have mattered.

I mean, it matters if Memphis doesn't make uncharacteristic turnovers and plays sloppy on offense. It's hard for the Defense to make some stops, and the offense does not take advantage of it. I felt by the time it was crunch time, the defense was just to tired, and the offense was not giving anything to help build confidence. Do we win? I don't know. Hypotheticals are nonsense. But those mistakes matter.

I think I stand with those who believe the defense made a few stops, enough that could have changed momentum, and our offense was not opportunistic. Credit goes to Navy, but our mistakes killed us. I think we could have lived with penalties, but not penalties on top of turnovers.

The team lives or dies by this offense. It is the engine, and I think the defense thrives on that energy, even when it's being beaten to death, and causes them to make some big stops to help out. But it's not good enough to do it all the time, and as soon as the offense just crumbles, and we stop being anywhere near quasi-disciplined, it was over.

I don't know how Memphis will do against Houston next week. My hope is Memphis uses Navy like they used Houston last year, the fuel to change course, re-focus, and come out with determination to not feel a loss again. But whether that happens or not? No clue. But I think Houston shouldn't expect to win 45-14.

If there was one thing we could correct on defense, it would be the penalties. I'm fine with the overall defensive play considering that we replaced 8 of 11 this year. They are playing remarkably well all things considered. I read the "Memphis defense exposed" comment by the Houston fan but it wasn't exposed, the potential issues were well known. The only thing that was exposed last night was that Navy is as good or better than advertised, in my average fan's opinion.

(11-08-2015 11:54 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 05:38 PM)CFF1991 Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 03:02 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I know the focus here is on the next game on the schedule, but it is funny to me that Houston fans can see that Navy solidly beat Memphis, but somehow can't see that the EXACT same thing could happen on Nov27th.

Navy will be surprised by how quickly UH will shut that option down. You are finally playing the top dog in this conference.

I'd suggest that it's possibly Houston "fan" rather than Houston "fans". :) If you just read his stuff for entertainment and don't take it seriously, you can get a few grins.

I am not the only Houston fan that thinks that. You should read other comments before jumping to a general conclusion. just for grins eh...

(11-08-2015 01:25 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 12:01 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:54 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 11:30 AM)transitt Wrote:  Memphis was due for a down game. Unfortunately it came last night. Much respect to Navy. They are a hell of a team. Time to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and move on to try to beat Houston. I hope this woke the team up a bit.

Memphis didn't have a down game. Navy is just a very solid team that doesn't beat themselves. Memphis would have had to have been fundamentally sound to beat Navy, because the Navy defense while underrated will create turnovers.

I am not sure if Houston will be able to handle Navy either. The good news for Houston is that they are not a wide open offense under Herman, which will make the Navy game very interesting. The bad news for Houston is that Navy gave Ohio State fits last year, before Ohio State finally pulled away. Navy v. Houston should be a really good game.

I think that Temple would beat Navy, because Temple is fundamentally sound like Navy; but Temple has better athletes.

Memphis had a down game. Lynch threw only his second interception of the season, we had multiple fumbles, missed on a 4th and 1 deep in Navy territory which would have extended Memphis' lead. Memphis is a fundamentally sound team. Fifteen game winning streaks don't occur without a team being fundamentally sound. We also went super conservative on offense which I feel was a mistake.

You didn't just have a case of the dropsies fumbling the ball, Navy was taking it away.

You miss a FG. You don't miss a 4th & 1, Navy stopped you.

Navy also had a QB rating of 268.8 going 3-5 passing with an easy catch dropped in the end zone.

Memphis may not have had their best game, but a large part of that was because of Navy. We were rushing 3 & flushing Lynch out of the pocket. Most anyone but Lynch would have not been able to scramble out of that.

Memphis wasn't able to deal with our Triple Option. When it got down to the goal line, the Memphis D sold out to stop Keenan Reynolds from breaking the record. So we exploited that and gave it to someone else. That's how our system works.

Memphis is a good team, but IMO you're misreading Navy if you think last night was just a down game for Memphis. Good luck the rest of the way out.

Sorry. Lynch over-threw Alan Cross FOUR TIMES. Lynch does not ever over-through Alan Cross. Ever. Lynch had a bad night. Trust me. He has dealt with a lot more pressure than y'all threw at him. You can crow, cuz you won the game. But the same result will not happen again in my estimation. Not now that the players have seen the Triple Option in person. I suspect they will pay more attention in practice next year...