(10-28-2015 06:04 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: Also I'm sure your offense is great and all... But it also goes back to scheduling... I would venture to bet miss state's offense is better they just have a SEC schedule
Yeah, you definitely have to factor in schedule, but that's why I said statistically.
And yeah, we've played some weak defenses, but GS's defense is ahead of yours and we dropped 31 on them.
Can't always go by what GS did. Different day different game (we are not your rival to boot) our schedule was also harder than theirs. But the teams we both shared so far we have played better defensively.
...You lost to Idaho, at home. Regardless of how much they "improved", they have given up 40+ points several times this season and you all failed to score more than two TD's. One game a season does not make, but like that loss, the win at NMSU probably means more about NMSU than it does about you guys.
People were saying the same thing about App last year. We just lost to Liberty, got blown out by USA and GS, bad loss against Southern Miss, but yet we turned it around. Ironically, that turn around started against Troy.
I'm hoping they don't figure things out this weekend. I'm still seeing an App win, but I don't think it's going to be as easy as many are making it out to be.
(10-29-2015 07:15 AM)DeanoAPP Wrote: This is going to be a sold out game and Halloween. Troy is not coming into a welcoming environment. Its very hard to win at the rock this year.
I have no doubt that is the case, at this point. This won't be like last season. IF the offense comes to play again this week, it'll make the task less difficult.
I have a great respect for the Troy football program and I'm always cautious with my optimism in conference games since we made the jump. That being said, I'm confident for Saturday based on what I've seen from both teams. We're favored by 23.5 and I expect the Apps to cover. The way the defense is playing and the rowdy atmosphere I don't think the Trojans will break 10 points.
I think both teams have improved from the last time we played. Troy has probably improved more if you're looking at this objectively.
Troy covers, App wins.
I think we are seeing the middle of the pack teams get better, this bodes well the SBC as we're going to need a team or three step up as I fear ULL may take a step back with sanctions.
(10-28-2015 06:04 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: Also I'm sure your offense is great and all... But it also goes back to scheduling... I would venture to bet miss state's offense is better they just have a SEC schedule
Yeah, you definitely have to factor in schedule, but that's why I said statistically.
And yeah, we've played some weak defenses, but GS's defense is ahead of yours and we dropped 31 on them.
Can't always go by what GS did. Different day different game (we are not your rival to boot) our schedule was also harder than theirs. But the teams we both shared so far we have played better defensively.
...You lost to Idaho, at home. Regardless of how much they "improved", they have given up 40+ points several times this season and you all failed to score more than two TD's. One game a season does not make, but like that loss, the win at NMSU probably means more about NMSU than it does about you guys.
And I thought Georgia Southern fans were bad....You guys are moving up my list quickly. I really don't want to cheer for Troy in this game, but some of you App fans really need a llittle humbling.
You guys have no idea. This is a small sampling. During their run from 05-07 their collective egos couldnt fit in the big house. They started slow last year so you didnt see it but if they run the table they will make GS fans look like vanderbilt fans. Get ready.
(10-28-2015 06:12 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote: Yeah, you definitely have to factor in schedule, but that's why I said statistically.
And yeah, we've played some weak defenses, but GS's defense is ahead of yours and we dropped 31 on them.
Can't always go by what GS did. Different day different game (we are not your rival to boot) our schedule was also harder than theirs. But the teams we both shared so far we have played better defensively.
...You lost to Idaho, at home. Regardless of how much they "improved", they have given up 40+ points several times this season and you all failed to score more than two TD's. One game a season does not make, but like that loss, the win at NMSU probably means more about NMSU than it does about you guys.
And I thought Georgia Southern fans were bad....You guys are moving up my list quickly. I really don't want to cheer for Troy in this game, but some of you App fans really need a llittle humbling.
You guys have no idea. This is a small sampling. During their run from 05-07 their collective egos couldnt fit in the big house. They started slow last year so you didnt see it but if they run the table they will make GS fans look like vanderbilt fans. Get ready.
There is no way we will surpass the level of collective disdain shared by other SBC members for Georgia Southern. You have 10 outspoken trolls for every 1 of ours.
(10-29-2015 10:18 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote: Has anything said really been that "cocky" or bad? Or are people just giving App fans the same treatment they gave GS fans last year?
We got the same treatment when we won this league from 06-10
(10-29-2015 10:18 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote: Has anything said really been that "cocky" or bad? Or are people just giving App fans the same treatment they gave GS fans last year?
We got the same treatment when we won this league from 06-10
YEP. Fans don't like dominant teams when its not their team. The moment any APP fan says anything positive about his team, it will be perceived as "beating one's chest". If APP fans have the luxury of going on a run like Troy did, it will get much worse.
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(10-28-2015 06:20 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: Can't always go by what GS did. Different day different game (we are not your rival to boot) our schedule was also harder than theirs. But the teams we both shared so far we have played better defensively.
...You lost to Idaho, at home. Regardless of how much they "improved", they have given up 40+ points several times this season and you all failed to score more than two TD's. One game a season does not make, but like that loss, the win at NMSU probably means more about NMSU than it does about you guys.
And I thought Georgia Southern fans were bad....You guys are moving up my list quickly. I really don't want to cheer for Troy in this game, but some of you App fans really need a llittle humbling.
You guys have no idea. This is a small sampling. During their run from 05-07 their collective egos couldnt fit in the big house. They started slow last year so you didnt see it but if they run the table they will make GS fans look like vanderbilt fans. Get ready.
There is no way we will surpass the level of collective disdain shared by other SBC members for Georgia Southern. You have 10 outspoken trolls for every 1 of ours.
My point wasn't made to sound like a Southern fan calling a 5-1 App team underwhelming and the clear underdog(we all know how that went). My point was made to get it across that Troy can't be judged for the 52-7 win over a defeated team, just like you can't judge them for losing to Idaho. The three P5 games are relatively useless as I doubt the offense your opposition was running was that complex as they were hoping to use that game to fine tune certain concepts within their offense, much like Clemson did with App.
The only commonality I see is the way Southern played Idaho, and the way you all played Idaho. While two completely different teams and the fact you guys were missing you're spark plug offensive player, I have a hard time forgetting that game completely when talking about how this game will go. Might last week have been a tipping point for you guys? Yes. Odd's are it isn't. Unlike Arkansas State and ULL, App doesn't get the benefit of the doubt based on name recognition and the respect around the league has been earned by winning this season, not 3 or 4 seasons ago.
That said, it should be a great atmosphere up there and we can all hope for a good game with no injuries as both teams push toward the post-season.
Troll (N) - "A person whose sole purpose in life is to seek out people to argue with on the internet over extremely trivial issues. Such arguments can happen on blogs, Facebook, Myspace and a host of others. "
By definition, there are but a few trolls here. The trolls more or less as i've found, are the ones calling other trolls. Pointing to examples that add to the discussion, but not the happy go lucky, we are all friends here discussion. The discussion of why we are going to win, and how that is going to happen based on previous results is not trolling, blind optimism, or irrelevant but using objective observations to come to a subjective conclusion.
(10-29-2015 11:42 AM)ericsaid Wrote: My point wasn't made to sound like a Southern fan calling a 5-1 App team underwhelming and the clear underdog(we all know how that went). My point was made to get it across that Troy can't be judged for the 52-7 win over a defeated team, just like you can't judge them for losing to Idaho. The three P5 games are relatively useless as I doubt the offense your opposition was running was that complex as they were hoping to use that game to fine tune certain concepts within their offense, much like Clemson did with App.
The only commonality I see is the way Southern played Idaho, and the way you all played Idaho. While two completely different teams and the fact you guys were missing you're spark plug offensive player, I have a hard time forgetting that game completely when talking about how this game will go. Might last week have been a tipping point for you guys? Yes. Odd's are it isn't. Unlike Arkansas State and ULL, App doesn't get the benefit of the doubt based on name recognition and the respect around the league has been earned by winning this season, not 3 or 4 seasons ago.
That said, it should be a great atmosphere up there and we can all hope for a good game with no injuries as both teams push toward the post-season.
And again, you're looking at a Troy team without its starting QB and run-first vs a returning starting QB, retooled O line, and pass-first offense. If Troy passes to open the run instead of vice versa, you won't mention Idaho after this one.
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(10-29-2015 12:02 PM)Saint3333 Wrote: If I'm Troy's OC I'm calling twice as many pass plays as runs, and I'm using quick slants as my "run" plays.
That's exactly what we're likely to do. Our radio announcers for the Troy/NMSU game used that wording specifically: "run" the ball by throwing quick slants. Honestly, it really helps neutralize teams who's strength is D-Line.
Last week looked a lot like 08-09 Troy under Neal Brown. We got to the line so quick and got the ball out almost immediately, which kept our playmakers a step our two ahead of their defenders and ultimately gave us a lot more space to operate. It was NMSU, so there's that. Most are shocked that we put up 52, but keep in mind it was 45-7 at halftime not predicated by turnovers (I think they only committed one at that point). It could have been a lot worse.
Had Silvers (or Tidwell) played/started vs Idaho we would have won by two scores. That game is pretty misleading, but not completely. We played our wildcat QB most of the game and he was aweful. We played our third string guy late and they couldn't stop us. It's remarkable to think how much difference a QB can make. All three of USA, Idaho, and NMSU have been impressed by our defense, as we've held them collectively well below their averages. Outside of the South Alabama game, we haven't really been as bad of a football team as it looks with the missed FG loss to Idaho. Not saying Troy will win, but I can say that we are dragging ourselves out of the cellar kicking and screaming and should give you guys a good game.
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