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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
SMU
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Who's next?the ncaa is going to go after all of us so they can soften the blow to UNC
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10-11-2015 11:25 PM |
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AndreWhere
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
That Ginny Crager woman mentioned in the article is a USM alum.
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10-12-2015 06:20 AM |
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BkGold
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
Did La.Laf. coach do wrong? Seem's like it. Is it up to the level of UNC? Doesn't seem close. Will be interesting to see. My take UNC will get slapped, La.Laf gets slammed..
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10-12-2015 07:43 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
Marshall had a dynamite BB team 70-72(I forget)..think Mike D'Antoni ..that was eliminated in the first round by the R Cjuns. Shortly thereafter they were hit hard by the NCAA for major rules violations. This evens it up tho 50 yrs later..ha ha
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10-12-2015 07:51 AM |
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pilot172000
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
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10-12-2015 08:25 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
(10-12-2015 08:25 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
Their saving grace for this is that it only seems to be one coach doing all of this. On the other hand, if the NCAA can prove the AD or current coach knew, uh oh and oooh la la... Now we have a scheme to cheat.
Still, this is nowhere near the Pony Excess or UNC level.
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10-12-2015 08:36 AM |
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THUNDERStruck73
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
The REALLY sad thing is... They STILL couldn't win an outright Sunbelt Championship.
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10-12-2015 08:39 AM |
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pilot172000
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(10-12-2015 08:36 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote: (10-12-2015 08:25 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
Their saving grace for this is that it only seems to be one coach doing all of this. On the other hand, if the NCAA can prove the AD or current coach knew, uh oh and oooh la la... Now we have a scheme to cheat.
Still, this is nowhere near the Pony Excess or UNC level.
Of course they are gonna through it all on a coach that no longer works there. That's how stuff like this works. Whats gonna happen is, they could possibly get hit with lack of institutional control for "allowing this" to happen under their nose and get a postseason bowl ban or worse.
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10-12-2015 09:11 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
(10-12-2015 08:25 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
You can hear all you want, but not once, in the NCAA notice of allegation, is the term "lack of institutional control" used.
We self-imposed the penalties already. It is just a matter of the NCAA accepting those penalties (2 year probation, a couple less scholarships for the next 2-3 years, vacating 2011 New Orleans Bowl win). We did consider a 1 year postseason ban for football, but concluded that such a penalty would be unreasonable based on the actions of one individual.
I think our response to the NCAA gave a pretty good shot at the absurdity of penalizing current and future student-athletes because of the actions of one coach.
Quote:It is clear from the specific circumstances of the prospective student-athletes' ACT exams that impropriety occurred, and that such impropriety went undetected by ACT and the NCAA Eligibility Center until the enforcement staff's investigation of a pattern of violations that trailed Saunders to the University. Based on information revealed during the course of the investigation, it is evident that the improper activity occurred in advance of the University hiring Saunders, yet both ACT and the Eligibility Center - upon which all NCAA members rely to detect fraud and affirm the validity of prospective student-athlete academic credentials - failed to discover the testing impropriety at WCHS. Despite this lack of oversight, neither ACT nor the Eligibility Center will face any direct repercussions. Rather, the University, its football program, and its student-athletes (in particular, several named in this case) will be impacted by significant sanctions that scar past accomplishments and inhibit future opportunities.
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10-12-2015 09:32 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
I see by the article that the guy learned the tricks of the trade at the Harvard of dirty football recruiting - the university of Mississippi. amazingly inventive and highly evolutionary. money laundered through small town churches, pioneered the use of casino chip payments, entire high school administrations on the payroll. its all quite impressive.
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10-12-2015 09:43 AM |
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TeKERaider
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
And Memphis knows nothing about ACT manipulation....
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10-12-2015 10:09 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
(10-12-2015 09:32 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote: (10-12-2015 08:25 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
You can hear all you want, but not once, in the NCAA notice of allegation, is the term "lack of institutional control" used.
We self-imposed the penalties already. It is just a matter of the NCAA accepting those penalties (2 year probation, a couple less scholarships for the next 2-3 years, vacating 2011 New Orleans Bowl win). We did consider a 1 year postseason ban for football, but concluded that such a penalty would be unreasonable based on the actions of one individual.
I think our response to the NCAA gave a pretty good shot at the absurdity of penalizing current and future student-athletes because of the actions of one coach.
Quote:It is clear from the specific circumstances of the prospective student-athletes' ACT exams that impropriety occurred, and that such impropriety went undetected by ACT and the NCAA Eligibility Center until the enforcement staff's investigation of a pattern of violations that trailed Saunders to the University. Based on information revealed during the course of the investigation, it is evident that the improper activity occurred in advance of the University hiring Saunders, yet both ACT and the Eligibility Center - upon which all NCAA members rely to detect fraud and affirm the validity of prospective student-athlete academic credentials - failed to discover the testing impropriety at WCHS. Despite this lack of oversight, neither ACT nor the Eligibility Center will face any direct repercussions. Rather, the University, its football program, and its student-athletes (in particular, several named in this case) will be impacted by significant sanctions that scar past accomplishments and inhibit future opportunities.
When has the NCAA ever accepted the self-imposed penalties? They always add on; also they don't have to say Institutional Control issues in the allegation, it's after they've investigated that they'll reveal whether there were IC issues. Which given the fact this guy was doing it for 4 years and "Nobody saw nothing" would make me lean towards LoIC. Not looking good for ULLers,
(This post was last modified: 10-12-2015 10:26 AM by Germdawg.)
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pilot172000
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
(10-12-2015 09:32 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote: (10-12-2015 08:25 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
You can hear all you want, but not once, in the NCAA notice of allegation, is the term "lack of institutional control" used.
We self-imposed the penalties already. It is just a matter of the NCAA accepting those penalties (2 year probation, a couple less scholarships for the next 2-3 years, vacating 2011 New Orleans Bowl win). We did consider a 1 year postseason ban for football, but concluded that such a penalty would be unreasonable based on the actions of one individual.
I think our response to the NCAA gave a pretty good shot at the absurdity of penalizing current and future student-athletes because of the actions of one coach.
Quote:It is clear from the specific circumstances of the prospective student-athletes' ACT exams that impropriety occurred, and that such impropriety went undetected by ACT and the NCAA Eligibility Center until the enforcement staff's investigation of a pattern of violations that trailed Saunders to the University. Based on information revealed during the course of the investigation, it is evident that the improper activity occurred in advance of the University hiring Saunders, yet both ACT and the Eligibility Center - upon which all NCAA members rely to detect fraud and affirm the validity of prospective student-athlete academic credentials - failed to discover the testing impropriety at WCHS. Despite this lack of oversight, neither ACT nor the Eligibility Center will face any direct repercussions. Rather, the University, its football program, and its student-athletes (in particular, several named in this case) will be impacted by significant sanctions that scar past accomplishments and inhibit future opportunities.
When you wake up from your dream and accept the fact that the NCAA isn't going to accept you retroactively giving up a season of football as justifiable punishment for a G-5 program, this will go a bit smoother for you. You aren't UNC and they will make an example out of you if they want. Ask Boise about tennis violations. IF you get away with your proposed self imposed sanctions more power to you but I not betting on it. And telling me that it was the actions of one coach is pretty funny too.
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10-12-2015 10:23 AM |
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Trouble in ULaLa
I thought our self imposed penalties were warranted. The NCAA agreed and said have some more for good measure.
They are trying to set precedent for academic fraud.
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10-12-2015 10:26 AM |
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Saint Greg
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
(10-12-2015 10:21 AM)Germdawg Wrote: (10-12-2015 09:32 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote: (10-12-2015 08:25 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
You can hear all you want, but not once, in the NCAA notice of allegation, is the term "lack of institutional control" used.
We self-imposed the penalties already. It is just a matter of the NCAA accepting those penalties (2 year probation, a couple less scholarships for the next 2-3 years, vacating 2011 New Orleans Bowl win). We did consider a 1 year postseason ban for football, but concluded that such a penalty would be unreasonable based on the actions of one individual.
I think our response to the NCAA gave a pretty good shot at the absurdity of penalizing current and future student-athletes because of the actions of one coach.
Quote:It is clear from the specific circumstances of the prospective student-athletes' ACT exams that impropriety occurred, and that such impropriety went undetected by ACT and the NCAA Eligibility Center until the enforcement staff's investigation of a pattern of violations that trailed Saunders to the University. Based on information revealed during the course of the investigation, it is evident that the improper activity occurred in advance of the University hiring Saunders, yet both ACT and the Eligibility Center - upon which all NCAA members rely to detect fraud and affirm the validity of prospective student-athlete academic credentials - failed to discover the testing impropriety at WCHS. Despite this lack of oversight, neither ACT nor the Eligibility Center will face any direct repercussions. Rather, the University, its football program, and its student-athletes (in particular, several named in this case) will be impacted by significant sanctions that scar past accomplishments and inhibit future opportunities.
When has the NCAA ever accepted the self-imposed penalties? They always add on; also they don't have to say Institutional Control issues in the allegation, it's after they've investigated that they'll reveal whether there were IC issues. Which given the fact this guy was doing it for 4 years and "Nobody saw nothing" would make me lean towards LoIC. Not looking good for ULLers,
Oh they always accept them. They just usually tack on a bowl ban and take away scholarships. Not that the scholarships are doing them much good against real competition.
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Germdawg
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
ULL Fan's right now...
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10-12-2015 10:45 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
(10-12-2015 10:09 AM)TeKERaider Wrote: And Memphis knows nothing about ACT manipulation....
Calipari is not Memphis...that issue has moved on to Lexington KY
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10-12-2015 11:12 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
If Hudspeth gets fired at ULL, at least he can fall back on teaching ACT prep classes. 100% guaranteed to get the score you need to get admitted to the school of your choice.
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10-12-2015 11:38 AM |
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RE: Trouble in ULaLa
(10-12-2015 08:25 AM)pilot172000 Wrote: I'm hearing this one is big and isn't going to go away fast. Institutional Control issues.
Specifically, who are you 'hearing' this from, and what/how are they basing your assertion that this is an ICI? As has been pointed out to you, this is not mentioned anywhere in the documents that have been released.
Do you have some kind of direct connection to the NCAA people involved with the investigation?
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