(10-10-2015 10:21 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 01:27 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 12:37 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 04:18 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 02:53 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Same here. I haven't heard of ASN until 2 weeks ago. I don't even pick it up and have no way to stream it, and I have the full cable package.

I'll take ESPN3 all day long.

They have a lot of affiliates across the country. It isn't an actual channel--although they are exploring buying the Tennis Channel.

Charlotte has no Sinclair Broadcasting Group stations (they are the company that produces ASN games), yet we get all Charlotte games a lot of other CUSA games because our local CW affiliate picks up the games. TV stations in any market can do the same if they think there is enough interest in the games. WCCB in Charlotte will carry most of the Marshall ASN games because Marshall has a good presence here. They picked up the App game because App has a good presence here. It's not perfect, but it's the same concept as Raycom Sports that produces ACC football games shown on a network of local OTA stations.

What he said ^ ^ ^

For all of those saying the I don't get ASN or I don't have a Sinclair station....it's syndication! Any local TV station can pick up the games. So if the Sun Belt actually had a contract with ASN/Sinclair, then local TV stations in Sun Belt markets might actually pick up the games. It's a chicken and egg problem. Are you telling me that a local station in Montgomery or Troy wouldn't pick up a Troy game if it was offered to them to broadcast?

There's a great chance a station in Arkansas would turn down an Arkansas State game, or an Alabama station would turn down a Troy/USA game. It's happened before.

The point is this, the stations that do broadcast in our areas currently, are not broadcasting CUSA games. We can say all we want about "well they'll give the local team the coverage" but it would be downright foolish to place our faith in local media. Think about it, we've all had our own Tier 3 rights for years, but no one has a Tier 3 deal outside of NMSU, and I guarantee you that is not for lack of trying.

It's been talked about in Arkansas. Sure, we can place our faith that the Little Rock sinclair affiliate will move the game off the impossible to reach digital channel if Arkansas State was on, but what if they don't? We can all take solace that some random dude in a bar MIGHT be interested enough to cheer for us?

I would expect it'll be a much easier sell for an athletics department to work with local affiliates to get their games on TV when they can show that all of the costs of production and producing the game have been paid for by someone else - and all the local affiliate has to do is basically broadcast the game. Versus, likely trying to convince the local affiliate to bear some of the production and other costs of trying to broadcast the game.

It has nothing to do with production cost...it has everything to do with which program has a monopoly in the state.

If the University of Arkansas asks a Little Rock station not to televise an Arkansas State game, they won't televise it. That's how much power the big school has.

(10-10-2015 07:44 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Currently you can take solace that on espn3 no one in any bar is cheering for you.

I take solace that you're so interested in the SBC's TV appearances given that...you know, JSU isn't in the SBC.

I feel you misunderstand. The topic is television deals, ASN. Which we were discussing.
My personal interest is in that I believe ESPN purchases media rights to shelve on espn3 (sbc and others) simply to to protect their real product (p5 etc.) A simple method of non promotion. ASN makes for competition against this semi monopoly. If conferences were to bear a present day loss/investment in the espn competitors they would prosper in the future with new fans and more coverage.. ASN offers access to those who otherwise would have little. Espn only wishes to hide that same content.

(10-10-2015 02:21 PM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 07:44 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Currently you can take solace that on espn3 no one in any bar is cheering for you.

I take solace that you're so interested in the SBC's TV appearances given that...you know, JSU isn't in the SBC.

Is it simply your intent to be an ass rather than contribute?

(10-10-2015 05:11 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 02:21 PM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 07:44 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Currently you can take solace that on espn3 no one in any bar is cheering for you.

I take solace that you're so interested in the SBC's TV appearances given that...you know, JSU isn't in the SBC.

Is it simply your intent to be an ass rather than contribute?

As opposed to your original trolling comment on OUR board?

Which comment was that?
why is it so many have so much trouble following a thread?
Why choose one post out of several to comment on?
so who is the troll me or the person who chooses one post of many on a topic in order to make it something it is not?
I might add this usually come from a person who has not contributed much to the discussion.

(10-10-2015 12:56 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 10:21 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 01:27 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 12:37 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(10-08-2015 04:18 PM)Niner National Wrote:  They have a lot of affiliates across the country. It isn't an actual channel--although they are exploring buying the Tennis Channel.

Charlotte has no Sinclair Broadcasting Group stations (they are the company that produces ASN games), yet we get all Charlotte games a lot of other CUSA games because our local CW affiliate picks up the games. TV stations in any market can do the same if they think there is enough interest in the games. WCCB in Charlotte will carry most of the Marshall ASN games because Marshall has a good presence here. They picked up the App game because App has a good presence here. It's not perfect, but it's the same concept as Raycom Sports that produces ACC football games shown on a network of local OTA stations.

What he said ^ ^ ^

For all of those saying the I don't get ASN or I don't have a Sinclair station....it's syndication! Any local TV station can pick up the games. So if the Sun Belt actually had a contract with ASN/Sinclair, then local TV stations in Sun Belt markets might actually pick up the games. It's a chicken and egg problem. Are you telling me that a local station in Montgomery or Troy wouldn't pick up a Troy game if it was offered to them to broadcast?

There's a great chance a station in Arkansas would turn down an Arkansas State game, or an Alabama station would turn down a Troy/USA game. It's happened before.

The point is this, the stations that do broadcast in our areas currently, are not broadcasting CUSA games. We can say all we want about "well they'll give the local team the coverage" but it would be downright foolish to place our faith in local media. Think about it, we've all had our own Tier 3 rights for years, but no one has a Tier 3 deal outside of NMSU, and I guarantee you that is not for lack of trying.

It's been talked about in Arkansas. Sure, we can place our faith that the Little Rock sinclair affiliate will move the game off the impossible to reach digital channel if Arkansas State was on, but what if they don't? We can all take solace that some random dude in a bar MIGHT be interested enough to cheer for us?

I would expect it'll be a much easier sell for an athletics department to work with local affiliates to get their games on TV when they can show that all of the costs of production and producing the game have been paid for by someone else - and all the local affiliate has to do is basically broadcast the game. Versus, likely trying to convince the local affiliate to bear some of the production and other costs of trying to broadcast the game.

It has nothing to do with production cost...it has everything to do with which program has a monopoly in the state.

If the University of Arkansas asks a Little Rock station not to televise an Arkansas State game, they won't televise it. That's how much power the big school has.

Sounds like a problem that's unique to stAte.

Really even in alabama uat couldnt stop broadcasts of uabs games on asn. Even though they could stop uab football.

(10-10-2015 07:44 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Currently you can take solace that on espn3 no one in any bar is cheering for you.

You've not been to Jonesboro. We have places that show ESPN3. Couple years ago two bars in Mobile ran ESPN3 telecasts of AState hoops the night before the bowl.

Ive been to jonesboro although you are correct i am not aware of what goes on inside bars there, or mobile for that matter.
Like Alabama I have noticed that many counties in northern Arkansas is dry and have no bars.
i am pretty sure asn reaches far more people than what can be seen in a few bars.
Also my guess is that far more bars air asn games than espn3.
why such defense of espn3? This is what espn uses to hide games they do not want to promote. They do not want to grow competition for their true product, the one they sell each week on national tv and it is not the fcs, sbc, or cusa. If the sbc or fcs wish to advance themselves they need a new partner that is not espn.
I wonder just how much espn pays for the right to hide sbc games?

(10-11-2015 01:37 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Ive been to jonesboro although you are correct i am not aware of what goes on inside bars there, or mobile for that matter.
Like Alabama I have noticed that many counties in northern Arkansas is dry and have no bars.
i am pretty sure asn reaches far more people than what can be seen in a few bars.
Also my guess is that far more bars air asn games than espn3.
why such defense of espn3? This is what espn uses to hide games they do not want to promote. They do not want to grow competition for their true product, the one they sell each week on national tv and it is not the fcs, sbc, or cusa. If the sbc or fcs wish to advance themselves they need a new partner that is not espn.
I wonder just how much espn pays for the right to hide sbc games?

I think espn pays the sbc about a million per year. They've been ******* the sbc for some time.

I think the looming asn/espn3 partnerships are a great, great thing for the g5 conferences. Distrubution anywhere online and an Ota presence is most major markets with the ability for any market to carry it via syndication.

Not to mention asn's production value is better than many of the espn3 exclusives I've watched.

(10-11-2015 01:37 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Ive been to jonesboro although you are correct i am not aware of what goes on inside bars there, or mobile for that matter.
Like Alabama I have noticed that many counties in northern Arkansas is dry and have no bars.
i am pretty sure asn reaches far more people than what can be seen in a few bars.
Also my guess is that far more bars air asn games than espn3.
why such defense of espn3? This is what espn uses to hide games they do not want to promote. They do not want to grow competition for their true product, the one they sell each week on national tv and it is not the fcs, sbc, or cusa. If the sbc or fcs wish to advance themselves they need a new partner that is not espn.
I wonder just how much espn pays for the right to hide sbc games?

We are dry, but the law has been worked around enough that the town has a ton of bars now. You just have to apply for a license to sell it.

The other unique issue that we have is that most of our bars do not have satelite service...they use cable. So no connection to ASN is possible.

No one here is loving ESPN3...we're just saying there is really no difference between ESPN3 and ASN. We get to watch all our games on television in the end, so why complain about how we watch it on television?

With the fan of a school there is no difference. I agree as a fan of Jax St. I can watch all our games via the OVC digital network anywhere anytime, same with socon I gather. Also i can watch sbc games on espn3 however I dont go through the trouble to watch any socon or sbc games on espn3. I will watch jsu games that are on espn3. I suspect this is the truth for nearly everyone, which is the problem with online streaming there are no new growth in the numbers of fans, this can only be found ota.

(10-11-2015 04:37 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  With the fan of a school there is no difference. I agree as a fan of Jax St. I can watch all our games via the OVC digital network anywhere anytime, same with socon I gather. Also i can watch sbc games on espn3 however I dont go through the trouble to watch any socon or sbc games on espn3. I will watch jsu games that are on espn3. I suspect this is the truth for nearly everyone, which is the problem with online streaming there are no new growth in the numbers of fans, this can only be found ota.

Eh, maybe I am the only one who trolls ESPN3 looking for close games. I've always found the television games to be mostly P5 teams, and I hate the P5.

As long as we continue to have 3 nationally televised SBC games per year, plus whatever we get out of OOC play, we'll pick up enough curious fans from those that it's not an issue. If the conference's entire contract was with ESPN3, I'd agree there would be an issue.

My thought is that, what ASN is doing for cusa and some fcs conferences is good for most all conferences who get ignored. If it will begin to draw good numbers then the value of everyones product will grow some and perhaps we will all find more air time and exposure.

(10-11-2015 09:06 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  My thought is that, what ASN is doing for cusa and some fcs conferences is good for most all conferences who get ignored. If it will begin to draw good numbers then the value of everyones product will grow some and perhaps we will all find more air time and exposure.

Maybe, or it could go bankrupt in 3 years.

Use of online is not going to shrink.
As I write this I'm watching a Netflix Original airplaying to my Apple TV. Last night as my wife and daughter were watching what they wanted I had USA-Mexico streaming on my iPad. The night before I had MLB in a small window as I read a book.

The anti-ESPN3 crowd tries to make it out as a difficult thing. It isn't. My 83 year old father watches games on his Roku all the time.

It isn't the norm yet but you better get ready for it because that's where we are headed.

(10-11-2015 10:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Use of online is not going to shrink.
As I write this I'm watching a Netflix Original airplaying to my Apple TV. Last night as my wife and daughter were watching what they wanted I had USA-Mexico streaming on my iPad. The night before I had MLB in a small window as I read a book.

The anti-ESPN3 crowd tries to make it out as a difficult thing. It isn't. My 83 year old father watches games on his Roku all the time.

It isn't the norm yet but you better get ready for it because that's where we are headed.

Is the IPad still functioning now? Between the Mets game and the US/Mexico game, I had enough gut punches that several things became airborne.

I agree its definately the future, but cable, satellite, or ota are not going anywhere anytime soon. And we live in the present. In many parts of the country internet access is third worldish. I suspect a lot of northern arkansas has this same problem. In many rural areas cable internet and att uverse is not available, mobile internet (verizlon) bandwith is limited as is satellite. That leaves dsl and dial up which are way to slow. I might also add that there is a push to limit cable and uverse also.