(09-08-2015 02:38 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:27 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:21 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:50 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The new guy was a co-MVP for Elite 11 QB camp alongside Jameis Winston. He's also like 25 years old.

Gotta love those Mormon Missions

It isn't like they're eating much (or all that healthy) or working out while on their mission. Once they're done, they have a lot of work to do in order to get back into football shape & regain muscle mass. I actually think it is more of a player disadvantage than advantage - other than mental & emotional maturity.

How would you know, just curious?

I think it is a huge advantage.

Family members who converted to LDS & went to BYU & served their mission.

They spend most of their time going around on bicycles or walking with very little money for food as they try to talk to as many people as will listen to them. Very little time for football worthy working out. It isn't like they completely starve, but when they do get to eat it isn't a huge meal like most Div I football players need to maintain mass.

BYU isn't sending their players to some secret redshirt workaround camp to work on football.

I was in no way implying they were...just that BYU has a lot of older players because of them. Didn't mean to have anyone read the tea leaves.

(09-08-2015 03:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:38 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:27 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:21 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:50 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Gotta love those Mormon Missions

It isn't like they're eating much (or all that healthy) or working out while on their mission. Once they're done, they have a lot of work to do in order to get back into football shape & regain muscle mass. I actually think it is more of a player disadvantage than advantage - other than mental & emotional maturity.

How would you know, just curious?

I think it is a huge advantage.

Family members who converted to LDS & went to BYU & served their mission.

They spend most of their time going around on bicycles or walking with very little money for food as they try to talk to as many people as will listen to them. Very little time for football worthy working out. It isn't like they completely starve, but when they do get to eat it isn't a huge meal like most Div I football players need to maintain mass.

BYU isn't sending their players to some secret redshirt workaround camp to work on football.

I was in no way implying they were...just that BYU has a lot of older players because of them. Didn't mean to have anyone read the tea leaves.

I understand, but being older doesn't mean you have any advantage. Especially is you're not able to maintain football strength & conditioning which those on a mission cannot. Being older helps when you are working out, practicing, watching film, doing reps, etc.

I just don't see 2 years away from a football regimen as an advantage.

(09-08-2015 03:10 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:38 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:27 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:21 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  It isn't like they're eating much (or all that healthy) or working out while on their mission. Once they're done, they have a lot of work to do in order to get back into football shape & regain muscle mass. I actually think it is more of a player disadvantage than advantage - other than mental & emotional maturity.

How would you know, just curious?

I think it is a huge advantage.

Family members who converted to LDS & went to BYU & served their mission.

They spend most of their time going around on bicycles or walking with very little money for food as they try to talk to as many people as will listen to them. Very little time for football worthy working out. It isn't like they completely starve, but when they do get to eat it isn't a huge meal like most Div I football players need to maintain mass.

BYU isn't sending their players to some secret redshirt workaround camp to work on football.

I was in no way implying they were...just that BYU has a lot of older players because of them. Didn't mean to have anyone read the tea leaves.

I understand, but being older doesn't mean you have any advantage. Especially is you're not able to maintain football strength & conditioning which those on a mission cannot. Being older helps when you are working out, practicing, watching film, doing reps, etc.

I just don't see 2 years away from a football regimen as an advantage.

I never said it was, just to be clear

(09-08-2015 03:10 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:01 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:38 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:27 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:21 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  It isn't like they're eating much (or all that healthy) or working out while on their mission. Once they're done, they have a lot of work to do in order to get back into football shape & regain muscle mass. I actually think it is more of a player disadvantage than advantage - other than mental & emotional maturity.

How would you know, just curious?

I think it is a huge advantage.

Family members who converted to LDS & went to BYU & served their mission.

They spend most of their time going around on bicycles or walking with very little money for food as they try to talk to as many people as will listen to them. Very little time for football worthy working out. It isn't like they completely starve, but when they do get to eat it isn't a huge meal like most Div I football players need to maintain mass.

BYU isn't sending their players to some secret redshirt workaround camp to work on football.

I was in no way implying they were...just that BYU has a lot of older players because of them. Didn't mean to have anyone read the tea leaves.

I understand, but being older doesn't mean you have any advantage. Especially is you're not able to maintain football strength & conditioning which those on a mission cannot. Being older helps when you are working out, practicing, watching film, doing reps, etc.

I just don't see 2 years away from a football regimen as an advantage.

Being older helps with maturity, decision making, and their mission training helps with communicating with their teammates and being a leader. I'd say it helps with the mental part of the game more than anything. I guarantee he took a copy of the playbook with him over the past 2 years.

(09-08-2015 01:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The new guy was a co-MVP for Elite 11 QB camp alongside Jameis Winston. He's also like 25 years old.

Mangum is 21 years old and hadn't played in a football game since high school...in 2011.

http://byucougars.com/athlete/m-football/tanner-mangum

He arrived home from his LDS mission in Chile in June.

FWIW, most days LDS missionaries wake up at 6:30am and are out the door proselytizing or doing service by 10am. Before you leave for the day, you must have 1 hour personal scripture study, 1 hour companionship study, and 1/2 hour language study. You also have to get ready for the day and eat breakfast too. You get a 1 hour lunch and a 1 hour dinner - but often these meals are away from the apartment at the home of local LDS members or investigators. You return to your apartment by 9:30pm and it's lights out at 10:30pm.

At most, you have about a half-hour of exercise time per day. And that's usually a few push-ups and situps or a jog around the park. But, you're usually so tired and focused on missionary work and service opportunities that exercising isn't anywhere close to a priority.

LDS missions are a huge advantage for maturity. They are a major disadvantage as far as athletics and football skills.

HINT - if LDS missions were an advantage, you would see a ton of college programs sending athletes to serve in the peace corps or other service opportunities.

(09-08-2015 01:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  bull**** system carrying over from last year. Boise gets in the drivers seat before doing anything.

Boise will lose to BYU. We don't have to worry about that.

If Cinci beat Temple, beats Miami, beats BYU, they're a lock so long as they don't slip up.

If Temple beats Cinci, beats ND, and doesn't slip up in conference, they're a lock.

I wasn't impressed with the way Boise played Washington.

(09-08-2015 03:58 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  bull**** system carrying over from last year. Boise gets in the drivers seat before doing anything.

Boise will lose to BYU. We don't have to worry about that.

If Cinci beat Temple, beats Miami, beats BYU, they're a lock so long as they don't slip up.

If Temple beats Cinci, beats ND, and doesn't slip up in conference, they're a lock.

I wasn't impressed with the way Boise played Washington.

I do think BYU beats Boise this weekend, but I wouldn't put it in the 'don't have to worry about that' category.

And, what happens if Cincy beats Temple and Miami but loses to BYU? Or Temple beats Cinci but loses to Notre Dame? It could allow Boise or a team from the MAC or CUSA to sneak into the NY6. Luckily, W. Kentucky plays at LSU and NIU plays at Ohio St. this year to limit the number of undefeated contenders. Could Marshall sneak in?

(09-08-2015 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:58 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  bull**** system carrying over from last year. Boise gets in the drivers seat before doing anything.

Boise will lose to BYU. We don't have to worry about that.

If Cinci beat Temple, beats Miami, beats BYU, they're a lock so long as they don't slip up.

If Temple beats Cinci, beats ND, and doesn't slip up in conference, they're a lock.

I wasn't impressed with the way Boise played Washington.

I do think BYU beats Boise this weekend, but I wouldn't put it in the 'don't have to worry about that' category.

And, what happens if Cincy beats Temple and Miami but loses to BYU? Or Temple beats Cinci but loses to Notre Dame? It could allow Boise or a team from the MAC or CUSA to sneak into the NY6. Luckily, W. Kentucky plays at LSU and NIU plays at Ohio St. this year to limit the number of undefeated contenders. Could Marshall sneak in?

There's a laundry list of teams that could beat Purdue handily. Purdue had that game won, were driving down the field down 3 and threw another pick 6. If they had finished that drive, it'd be Purdue over Marshall, not the other way around.

My point in this is, if Marshall can't put away a bad B1G team at home, they're bound to slip in conference, and that will do more to hurt their chances at the Access Bowl than a loss to Purdue would.

I think if whoever wins this weekend (Cinci / Temple) takes care of business, they are in the drivers seat. But we'll see how the season shakes out.

(09-08-2015 02:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:27 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:21 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:50 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The new guy was a co-MVP for Elite 11 QB camp alongside Jameis Winston. He's also like 25 years old.

Gotta love those Mormon Missions

It isn't like they're eating much (or all that healthy) or working out while on their mission. Once they're done, they have a lot of work to do in order to get back into football shape & regain muscle mass. I actually think it is more of a player disadvantage than advantage - other than mental & emotional maturity.

How would you know, just curious?

I think it is a huge advantage.

This is a key part of the storied Army teams right after WWII. West Point was flooded with 22+ year old guys who had served in the war and came in with a whole world of maturity and physical development. I am not sure that Army will ever experience something like that again.

Most of those GI's returning from WWII enrolled at the public universities. There were not many of them qualified for West Point appointments. Also the best Army teams were during the War not after.

(09-08-2015 02:27 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:21 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:50 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  That's my first thought, as well, but the new guy did well in his limited exposure @Nebraska.

The new guy was a co-MVP for Elite 11 QB camp alongside Jameis Winston. He's also like 25 years old.

Gotta love those Mormon Missions

It isn't like they're eating much (or all that healthy) or working out while on their mission. Once they're done, they have a lot of work to do in order to get back into football shape & regain muscle mass. I actually think it is more of a player disadvantage than advantage - other than mental & emotional maturity.

How would you know, just curious?

I think it is a huge advantage.

I have known over the years a number of Mormon families and kids that have done the Missions. Many of them go overseas and live very spartan restricted lives. I have not known any that would have gained a football playing advantage, except for being a couple of year older. And a Redshirt player is a year older also. For what I have seen it would be a distinct disadvantage as far as playing football.

(09-08-2015 06:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:58 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  bull**** system carrying over from last year. Boise gets in the drivers seat before doing anything.

Boise will lose to BYU. We don't have to worry about that.

If Cinci beat Temple, beats Miami, beats BYU, they're a lock so long as they don't slip up.

If Temple beats Cinci, beats ND, and doesn't slip up in conference, they're a lock.

I wasn't impressed with the way Boise played Washington.

I do think BYU beats Boise this weekend, but I wouldn't put it in the 'don't have to worry about that' category.

And, what happens if Cincy beats Temple and Miami but loses to BYU? Or Temple beats Cinci but loses to Notre Dame? It could allow Boise or a team from the MAC or CUSA to sneak into the NY6. Luckily, W. Kentucky plays at LSU and NIU plays at Ohio St. this year to limit the number of undefeated contenders. Could Marshall sneak in?

There's a laundry list of teams that could beat Purdue handily. Purdue had that game won, were driving down the field down 3 and threw another pick 6. If they had finished that drive, it'd be Purdue over Marshall, not the other way around.

My point in this is, if Marshall can't put away a bad B1G team at home, they're bound to slip in conference, and that will do more to hurt their chances at the Access Bowl than a loss to Purdue would.

I think if whoever wins this weekend (Cinci / Temple) takes care of business, they are in the drivers seat. But we'll see how the season shakes out.

Lots of football to be played. Cincy still has BYu, Miami, Memphis, ECu, and Houston.

(09-08-2015 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:58 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  bull**** system carrying over from last year. Boise gets in the drivers seat before doing anything.

Boise will lose to BYU. We don't have to worry about that.

If Cinci beat Temple, beats Miami, beats BYU, they're a lock so long as they don't slip up.

If Temple beats Cinci, beats ND, and doesn't slip up in conference, they're a lock.

I wasn't impressed with the way Boise played Washington.

I do think BYU beats Boise this weekend, but I wouldn't put it in the 'don't have to worry about that' category.

And, what happens if Cincy beats Temple and Miami but loses to BYU? Or Temple beats Cinci but loses to Notre Dame? It could allow Boise or a team from the MAC or CUSA to sneak into the NY6. Luckily, W. Kentucky plays at LSU and NIU plays at Ohio St. this year to limit the number of undefeated contenders. Could Marshall sneak in?

Boise got in with 2 losses last year. Even if BYU wins that would be considered a "quality loss" and an out of conference loss at that. That wouldn't really hurt Boise much.

IMO nobody from the AAC gets out of conference play without a loss. It should be an interesting season for sure.

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(09-08-2015 01:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/ap

"G5" teams of note:

#20 Boise 297 vote points
#32 Temple 8 vote points
#35 Cincinnati 7 vote points
#39 WKU 3 vote points

BYU came in at #27

(09-08-2015 01:17 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Sort of perplexing WKU gets points for beating an awful Vandy team

that's the perception power of being a "P5"....at least we are seeing the perception of beating a P5. At least its going both ways. I guess. Cheers!

(09-08-2015 09:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:58 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:31 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  bull**** system carrying over from last year. Boise gets in the drivers seat before doing anything.

Boise will lose to BYU. We don't have to worry about that.

If Cinci beat Temple, beats Miami, beats BYU, they're a lock so long as they don't slip up.

If Temple beats Cinci, beats ND, and doesn't slip up in conference, they're a lock.

I wasn't impressed with the way Boise played Washington.

I do think BYU beats Boise this weekend, but I wouldn't put it in the 'don't have to worry about that' category.

And, what happens if Cincy beats Temple and Miami but loses to BYU? Or Temple beats Cinci but loses to Notre Dame? It could allow Boise or a team from the MAC or CUSA to sneak into the NY6. Luckily, W. Kentucky plays at LSU and NIU plays at Ohio St. this year to limit the number of undefeated contenders. Could Marshall sneak in?

Boise got in with 2 losses last year. Even if BYU wins that would be considered a "quality loss" and an out of conference loss at that. That wouldn't really hurt Boise much.

IMO nobody from the AAC gets out of conference play without a loss. It should be an interesting season for sure.

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Yeah, but I don't see Boise or any other MWC team going undefeated in MWC play either. Has that happened since Utah, BYU and TCU's last season together in the MWC? Has Boise ever gone undefeated in MWC play? I could be wrong but I don't think they have. Cheers!

(09-08-2015 01:17 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Sort of perplexing WKU gets points for beating an awful Vandy team

Yeah but just think of all the votes we'll get for beating Florida

(09-08-2015 01:17 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Sort of perplexing WKU gets points for beating an awful Vandy team

Didn't you know, Vanderbilt is a power football team. Just like Washington State and Kansas. Duh.

(09-08-2015 07:32 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:27 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:21 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:50 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Gotta love those Mormon Missions

It isn't like they're eating much (or all that healthy) or working out while on their mission. Once they're done, they have a lot of work to do in order to get back into football shape & regain muscle mass. I actually think it is more of a player disadvantage than advantage - other than mental & emotional maturity.

How would you know, just curious?

I think it is a huge advantage.

This is a key part of the storied Army teams right after WWII. West Point was flooded with 22+ year old guys who had served in the war and came in with a whole world of maturity and physical development. I am not sure that Army will ever experience something like that again.

Most of those GI's returning from WWII enrolled at the public universities. There were not many of them qualified for West Point appointments. Also the best Army teams were during the War not after.

You beat me to the response!

As SMUmustangs said, our best teams were during the war. After V-J Day, most of the wartime talent either graduated, transferred or departed to other colleges. Blaik carried the Academy on his back after the war. Oklahoma became a blue blood because they purchased players returning from the service. Tulsa lost some players to Oklahoma. Barry Switzer was the rule, not the exception, of Oklahoma football.
Notre Dame also was greatly improved by returning servicemen, but they didn't buy any surplus weaponry, they were reissued prewar stars.

(09-08-2015 03:39 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The new guy was a co-MVP for Elite 11 QB camp alongside Jameis Winston. He's also like 25 years old.

Mangum is 21 years old and hadn't played in a football game since high school...in 2011.

http://byucougars.com/athlete/m-football/tanner-mangum

He arrived home from his LDS mission in Chile in June.

FWIW, most days LDS missionaries wake up at 6:30am and are out the door proselytizing or doing service by 10am. Before you leave for the day, you must have 1 hour personal scripture study, 1 hour companionship study, and 1/2 hour language study. You also have to get ready for the day and eat breakfast too. You get a 1 hour lunch and a 1 hour dinner - but often these meals are away from the apartment at the home of local LDS members or investigators. You return to your apartment by 9:30pm and it's lights out at 10:30pm.

At most, you have about a half-hour of exercise time per day. And that's usually a few push-ups and situps or a jog around the park. But, you're usually so tired and focused on missionary work and service opportunities that exercising isn't anywhere close to a priority.

LDS missions are a huge advantage for maturity. They are a major disadvantage as far as athletics and football skills.

HINT - if LDS missions were an advantage, you would see a ton of college programs sending athletes to serve in the peace corps or other service opportunities.

The announcers talked about the missions during the BYU-Nebraska game. I'm very impressed by their fervor. A Mormon, I worked with this summer at Chick-fil-A is going on a two year mission to Germany. I disagree with Mormon theology, but their dedication is admirable.

(09-11-2015 03:17 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 03:39 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:48 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The new guy was a co-MVP for Elite 11 QB camp alongside Jameis Winston. He's also like 25 years old.

Mangum is 21 years old and hadn't played in a football game since high school...in 2011.

http://byucougars.com/athlete/m-football/tanner-mangum

He arrived home from his LDS mission in Chile in June.

FWIW, most days LDS missionaries wake up at 6:30am and are out the door proselytizing or doing service by 10am. Before you leave for the day, you must have 1 hour personal scripture study, 1 hour companionship study, and 1/2 hour language study. You also have to get ready for the day and eat breakfast too. You get a 1 hour lunch and a 1 hour dinner - but often these meals are away from the apartment at the home of local LDS members or investigators. You return to your apartment by 9:30pm and it's lights out at 10:30pm.

At most, you have about a half-hour of exercise time per day. And that's usually a few push-ups and situps or a jog around the park. But, you're usually so tired and focused on missionary work and service opportunities that exercising isn't anywhere close to a priority.

LDS missions are a huge advantage for maturity. They are a major disadvantage as far as athletics and football skills.

HINT - if LDS missions were an advantage, you would see a ton of college programs sending athletes to serve in the peace corps or other service opportunities.

The announcers talked about the missions during the BYU-Nebraska game. I'm very impressed by their fervor. A Mormon, I worked with this summer at Chick-fil-A is going on a two year mission to Germany. I disagree with Mormon theology, but their dedication is admirable.

I disagree with discrimination so I don't find anything associated with Chick-fil-A admirable.