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No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
Personally... I think Illinois would be extremely short sighted to blindly hire a coach that has literally only won 9 games in the last two years... period.

Fleck will get his shot... but I really don't see it happening at this point... Even if we do well this year... I still see NIU or Toledo sneaking out the MAC west and if that happens... either of those two coaches are MUCH better commodities to sell to the brass in Illini-ville...

The Fleck hire at WMU works... because WMU is a MAC program built to bring in the young up and comers to eventually be picked off the tree of success going forward... I just don't think either Fleck or his resume are ready to leave what they have started here at WMU... and neither do I think a P5 program is quite yet willing to take that chance... Especially Illinois... who can't miss on the next coach... regardless. I think that Cubit could actually take off there... and give Illinois a couple years to find the next big hire ...

I would be extremely surprised if Fleck left before he had a chance to take the Broncos to USC in a few years... Just my gut opinion... He also seems to want to STAMP himself on the program in a way that WMU will sustain success in a way that will always lead back to "Remember when Fleck was here!!!???.."... If he left now, all of his work would not lend to that foundation..

Just my two cents.
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RE: No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
Quote:Personally... I think Illinois would be extremely short sighted to blindly hire a coach that has literally only won 9 games in the last two years... period.

Nobody's hiring PJ. Cubit's going to be at Illinois this year. He is the BEST choice to be HC this year, given that season is basically already kicking off. No HC is going to migrate to Illinois right now. That's not even a consideration at this point. It's Cubit @ Illinois.

Quote:Fleck will get his shot... but I really don't see it happening at this point... Even if we do well this year...

If we do well this year (8W by winning a bowl, or better) -- Fleck is staying with his very good contract. He won't get picked up bigtime going 8-5 again, even though 8-5 is a MUCH better result than last year's 8-5. His only motivation to leave would be for the sake of leaving Kzoo in general -- all while not getting any better of contract, as it'd be a lateral move (like a Tulsa or Tulane).

He'd need to go 9-4 this year to be considered for a bump-up. Illinois, after hiring Beckman after 3 season (one opening not good year, two 8W seasons) proved to be a bad decision.

With no OC/DC experience, Fleck would need to go to the MACC game and win a bowl (resulting in 10+ wins) for an Illinois or Rutgers to pick him up.

NEXT year, as you point out -- yeah, if he follows through on what we're "supposed" to do (which anti-Fleck folks want to happen This year) -- he's gone if there's any good P5 coaching openings.

Quote: I think that Cubit could actually take off there... and give Illinois a couple years to find the next big hire ...

I hope so. If so, then PJ vs Cubit would happen next year, and if WMU shines thru, at the end of next year at 10W, Illinois would very possibly hire PJ if Illinois 7-6 or worse.
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RE: No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
I don't think the Illini alums want another MAC guy.
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RE: No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
I don't think PJ wants the Illinois job.
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(08-28-2015 06:04 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  I don't think PJ wants the Illinois job.

OMFG..........He would have an Evinrude motoring that boat to Champaign.
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(08-28-2015 06:04 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  I don't think PJ wants the Illinois job.

03-yes
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Quote:OMFG..........He would have an Evinrude motoring that boat to Champaign.

He would be rowing the canoe with Fighting Illini war-paint on, bare-chested dressed as a chief when taking it over. It'd be an awesome sight to see.*

*Idea borrowed from NIU forums
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RE: No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
(08-28-2015 07:04 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(08-28-2015 06:04 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  I don't think PJ wants the Illinois job.

03-yes
No so sure I see PJ as a western/southern US type guy...it all depends on the $$$$ that are available and the jobs that are vacant. I bet he gravitates toward California/Arizona/Florida jobs. The money offered will tell the tale. Midwest only if the money is right....ie salaries in the range of scum and ohio state. He has to have the pedigree to demand that salary... he maybe at WMU for a while especially if he cant beat Toledo and NI in the same year ....if he looses to BGSU all bets are off.
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RE: No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
Bite your tongue!!! He's going to beat those guys on the road, succeed and row his boat outta here!! 03-cloud9
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(08-29-2015 05:53 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  Bite your tongue!!! He's going to beat those guys on the road, succeed and row his boat outta here!! 03-cloud9

The way I see it, it is entirely possible he could beat Georgia Southern, Toledo, and NIU. Well actually the WMU football team would do that. They are capable of that. Responding to a result like that would meaning moving the process up to a whole new level. So yah.
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RE: No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
(08-29-2015 07:16 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  
(08-29-2015 05:53 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  Bite your tongue!!! He's going to beat those guys on the road, succeed and row his boat outta here!! 03-cloud9

The way I see it, it is entirely possible he could beat Georgia Southern, Toledo, and NIU. Well actually the WMU football team would do that. They are capable of that. Responding to a result like that would meaning moving the process up to a whole new level. So yah.

Damn straight. I'd process him right outta here with the movers.

Then we start the process all over, new slobber fest.

And no, he would get credit for those wins. Maybe CU will be ready to hire the next greatest thing by next year, they LOVE doing that in Boulder. Those peeps would eat his....style up!
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RE: No way Illinois hires Fleck at this point
It's a timing thing. One article said how Illinois could be eying Rod Carey of NIU, if NIU performs 10+ wins again this year. This is Rod Carey's time to show what he's made of. The MAC is going to be good, he's got Toledo AWAY, a beatable & losable P5 team in BC to play, and PJ looking for revenge in an improved WMU squad. If NIU goes to the MACC game this year, I could see Illinois picking Rod Carey up. IMO, they'd need to be dominant for Illinois to for-sure pick him up, though (while Cubit doesn't make a run for divisional championship).

WMU's schedule is too daunting to get over the hump, IMO -- even with a better team than last year. It would need good timing like injuries timed (we had that with Toledo last year; probably won't happen this year @Toledo), and the ball bouncing our way. Possible, but so is Akron winning the East, while BGSU with Matt Johnson not doing well. Almost anything can happen. Not everything is possible, like EMU going 8-4, but ALMOST anything. :)

If Cubit proves himself at Illinois, which I'll be cheering for -- and Illinois goes 7-5 beating rival Northwestern, while there's no hot HC picks out there, I could see them holding off, keeping Cubit for an extra year to see what's out there after next season... to give us fans what we want to see: PJ vs Cubit -- bring out the Champaign!
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(08-29-2015 08:29 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  It's a timing thing. One article said how Illinois could be eying Rod Carey of NIU, if NIU performs 10+ wins again this year. This is Rod Carey's time to show what he's made of. The MAC is going to be good, he's got Toledo AWAY, a beatable & losable P5 team in BC to play, and PJ looking for revenge in an improved WMU squad. If NIU goes to the MACC game this year, I could see Illinois picking Rod Carey up. IMO, they'd need to be dominant for Illinois to for-sure pick him up, though (while Cubit doesn't make a run for divisional championship).

WMU's schedule is too daunting to get over the hump, IMO -- even with a better team than last year. It would need good timing like injuries timed (we had that with Toledo last year; probably won't happen this year @Toledo), and the ball bouncing our way. Possible, but so is Akron winning the East, while BGSU with Matt Johnson not doing well. Almost anything can happen. Not everything is possible, like EMU going 8-4, but ALMOST anything. :)

If Cubit proves himself at Illinois, which I'll be cheering for -- and Illinois goes 7-5 beating rival Northwestern, while there's no hot HC picks out there, I could see them holding off, keeping Cubit for an extra year to see what's out there after next season... to give us fans what we want to see: PJ vs Cubit -- bring out the Champaign!

Can't believe you don't have a price on your head. Especially from one guy in particular.

You DO KNOW we saw those PM's correction edit: emails that you saved and provided, right, narc?

Low as it gets.
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Quote:Can't believe you don't have a price on your head. Especially from one guy in particular.

You DO KNOW we saw those PM's right, narc?

I honestly have no clue what you're talking about. Carey being hired? I have NO inside information on that.

The only offensive thing from that post was about EMU. Yeah, I'm sure EMU fans hate me. I was kidding about it being against the laws of the universe for EMU to go 8-4 (well, kinda).

And what PMs?! I didn't send out any PMs! Haven't done so in ages! Is everyone an EMU fan now??
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Yeah play dumb, you helped get a guy in huge hot water and you baited him into emailing with you.
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Quote:Yeah play dumb, you helped get a guy in huge hot water and you baited him into emailing with you.

WHEN? Does it have ANYTHING to do with what I posted?

You're replying to this post I made about how Illinois may hire Carey next year. And about hoping Cubit stays and does well at Illinois to see them battle it out; Cubit/PJ timing of staying or going, etc. Nobody would have a beef about EMU sucking, so I'll throw that out as a possibility.

I've never emailed ANYONE about any hires, fires, etc -- or anything related to what I posted. PM me to give me details if there's something I'm missing and not for the public. I've never "baited" anyone to PM/email me -- about what?! Baiting someone to WHAT to them?
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Go obtuse. Good play Todd.

Guess you thought it'd blow over and you'd be unaccountable. 03-phew

If I'm a certain radio show host? I wait a few years and find you. I met him, he is not to be taken lightly.
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I've always wondered how they got ahold of those. Only one way that I can think of.
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(08-29-2015 09:33 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  Go obtuse. Good play Todd.

Guess you thought it'd blow over and you'd be unaccountable. 03-phew

If I'm a certain radio show host? I wait a few years and find you. I met him, he is not to be taken lightly.

Larry King used to post here? Todd shouldn't mess with Larry King. Fo shor
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Another DB conspiracy theory!
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