That no scholarship limit was a killer back in the day. Even schools like Virginia Tech had NO SHOT back then. Ohio State and Alabama might carry 240 players on their rosters, leaving everyone else to scratch and sniff for 11 on offense and 11 on defense...

IMO, 85 is still TOO MANY, but now that the big powers have seen what that limit has done as far as parity goes, there is no way they'd ever agree to reducing it further... but that is exactly what would allow schools like Cincinnati to play schools like Ohio State toe-to-toe.

BIASED SYSTEM IS BIASED.

(08-25-2015 09:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-25-2015 08:51 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  On a level playing field gotta admit Boise would have been in at least one champ game if not two. This is kind of a "no duh" post. Most G5 are very young or have never been in correct group of schools to be considered for a champ game especially in the modern era. Does it really matter a school won a championship 20-30-50+ years ago? Answer is no.

yes it does... national championships never go away
bama prides itself in its national championships..they have both the most total championships and the most in recent years

guess which one they promote?
they promote the most total championships...and half of those were pre 50
smu still brags about it national championships (and they weren't even AP or coaches championships but lesser secondary polls)

if houston won a championship in the 40's best believe id be bragging about it today..


and your "no duh" is not a no duh....or even close...boise can outrecruit the MWC by a wide margin ..but their is a clear ceiling on how much they can recruit because of location...no recruits in boise, no one wants to live in boise in volume...100% of national championships have been from teams that were elite recruiters for the times they were in.. the modern era with the playoff, the inventions of spread offense(to circumvent talent), increased restriction on bribing, limiting scholarships to 25 and the ability to broadcast nationwide for everyone is probably the most access non elite recruiter have had to a natty ...
id bet a million dollars that boise could have started in 1909 they still wouldnt have won a national championship..your "no duh" post is naive at best

Pesik, in 1935 the AP and Coaches polls hadn't even started yet. There were two main systems, a United Press poll which Minnesota won and the Dickinson system which SMU won. The Dickinson system was a BCS-like formula and was recognized as a major poll - some sources I've read have called it the major poll of the time. It wasn't some lesser secondary thing.

(08-25-2015 08:51 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  On a level playing field gotta admit Boise would have been in at least one champ game if not two. This is kind of a "no duh" post. Most G5 are very young or have never been in correct group of schools to be considered for a champ game especially in the modern era. Does it really matter a school won a championship 20-30-50+ years ago? Answer is no.

And on a level playing field for the 1998 season Tulane should have played for, and won, the national championship.

(08-24-2015 11:12 AM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  National Championships*
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926

Quote:In my opinion, national championships is what defines the line between "power 5" and "group of 5" conferences. The current membership of the ACC has 16 national titles between them; the Big Ten has 29, the SEC has 21, the Pac-12 has 11, the Big XII, 10. Among G5 conferences the count is AAC 4, all others zero.

http://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/g...hamps.html

* generally-recognized; schools may claim others as well.

It is interesting to note that the B12 only has 10 national titles. I know they lost a number of championships when Nebraska, Colorado, TA&M and Missouri left, but I did not realize the remaining group only had 10 between them. Hell the BE from 2005-2011 had nearly double that and the national media beat the drum every day that the conference should lose its AQ BCS status.

What is the 10 based on? AP only? I see at least 13.

OU - 7
UT - 4
TCU - 2

Oklahoma St and Iowa St have both won several National Championships in wrestling. Also, the MWC won a couple in skiing. Just sayin....cheers!

(08-25-2015 01:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  That no scholarship limit was a killer back in the day. Even schools like Virginia Tech had NO SHOT back then. Ohio State and Alabama might carry 240 players on their rosters, leaving everyone else to scratch and sniff for 11 on offense and 11 on defense...

IMO, 85 is still TOO MANY, but now that the big powers have seen what that limit has done as far as parity goes, there is no way they'd ever agree to reducing it further... but that is exactly what would allow schools like Cincinnati to play schools like Ohio State toe-to-toe.

BIASED SYSTEM IS BIASED.

you are exactly right.

(08-27-2015 06:29 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:12 AM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  National Championships*
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926

Quote:In my opinion, national championships is what defines the line between "power 5" and "group of 5" conferences. The current membership of the ACC has 16 national titles between them; the Big Ten has 29, the SEC has 21, the Pac-12 has 11, the Big XII, 10. Among G5 conferences the count is AAC 4, all others zero.

http://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/g...hamps.html

* generally-recognized; schools may claim others as well.

It is interesting to note that the B12 only has 10 national titles. I know they lost a number of championships when Nebraska, Colorado, TA&M and Missouri left, but I did not realize the remaining group only had 10 between them. Hell the BE from 2005-2011 had nearly double that and the national media beat the drum every day that the conference should lose its AQ BCS status.

What is the 10 based on? AP only? I see at least 13.

OU - 7
UT - 4
TCU - 2

Oklahoma St and Iowa St have both won several National Championships in wrestling. Also, the MWC won a couple in skiing. Just sayin....cheers!

But we're not going there. If we were, we'd say UH has won 16 team national championships in golf.

(08-24-2015 09:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  National Championships*
SMU, 3 - 1935, 1981, 1982
Army, 3 - 1944, 1945, 1946
Navy, 1 - 1926

Quote:In my opinion, national championships is what defines the line between "power 5" and "group of 5" conferences. The current membership of the ACC has 16 national titles between them; the Big Ten has 29, the SEC has 21, the Pac-12 has 11, the Big XII, 10. Among G5 conferences the count is AAC 4, all others zero.

http://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/08/g...hamps.html

* generally-recognized; schools may claim others as well.

Army has more than 3 national championships. For some reason, we only claim the years of Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside.