(04-04-2016 09:12 AM)dezagcoog Wrote: I do think the '15 team is a WAY better overall team. I just think that Keenum was so good that he compensated for so many problems they had. Let me put it this way. Keenum had to throw for almost 6k yards that year and we still BARELY won some games. We almost lost to UTEP 49-42. I think the TEAM in '15 was better, the QB, well to me Keenum was just heads and shoulders above Ward. You put ward on the '11 and there's no way they accomplish what they did. You put Keenum on the '15 team and woah... we would have an average margin of victory of like 35 points. Now who would win if they faced off...that's tough. The '11 defense would make Ward look even better than he does since they couldn't stop a runner to save their lives, Farrow would have run over them. But Keenum would keep '11 in the game because '15 just wouldn't be able to stop him and Beall, Hayes, Sims, and Carrier
, nobody could. I think that corps of RBs is sometimes overlooked too.
I pretty much agree with this whole statement. The only issue I would disagree with is possibly the margin of victory might be a touchdown less LOL. I say that because the 2015 receiving corp has no where near the speed of the 2011 team. Put Keenum, Carrier, and Edwards and trade out Ward, Ayers and Allen and that team goes undefeated. Trade out the running back core of Farrow, Jackson and Webb for Sims, Beall, and Hayes, OMG, that is a BCS Buster for real.
I think Keenum made them look better than they were, but to be very specific I'd keep Ayers and Edwards. No way I'd give up Carrier for Ayers. In 2011 Johnson had better games than Carrier did. And Ayers had some just amazingly athletic catches that would be hard to replace. And there's no way I'd get rid of Farrow. We've never had such a wrecking ball back there. If you mix Beall and Sims with Farrow, you have both elusive and just plain destructive back there. I would say that in RBs and WRs '11 and '15 aren't that far off so there has to definitely be some respect for both sets. The two parts of the offense that were heads and shoulders better were QB in '11 and OL in '15.
You guys beat an over rated FSU team in a game that they weren't pumped up to be in. Not only will you guys not win the CFB title, you won't even sniff the playoff. 1 decent season and you guy(s) get delusional. You'll drop a game you were supposed to win, along with losing to Oklahoma and beat a 9-3/10-2 USF team in the championship game and have another deja vu season.
(04-04-2016 04:18 PM)CPR Wrote: You guys beat an over rated FSU team in a game that they weren't pumped up to be in. Not only will you guys not win the CFB title, you won't even sniff the playoff. 1 decent season and you guy(s) get delusional. You'll drop a game you were supposed to win, along with losing to Oklahoma and beat a 9-3/10-2 USF team in the championship game and have another deja vu season.
If you can say Florida State wasn't motivated to win the Peach, then Houston wasn't prepared and their mind wasn't into the USM game in 2011.
You're probably right about dropping a game we should have won, that's a UH trademark. Your prediction is very fair.
(04-04-2016 04:18 PM)CPR Wrote: You guys beat an over rated FSU team in a game that they weren't pumped up to be in. Not only will you guys not win the CFB title, you won't even sniff the playoff. 1 decent season and you guy(s) get delusional. You'll drop a game you were supposed to win, along with losing to Oklahoma and beat a 9-3/10-2 USF team in the championship game and have another deja vu season.
If you can say Florida State wasn't motivated to win the Peach, then Houston wasn't prepared and their mind wasn't into the USM game in 2011.
You're probably right about dropping a game we should have won, that's a UH trademark. Your prediction is very fair.
I think what he is saying, is the FSU probably wasn't motivated about going to the Peach, only because that program is use to competing for the National Championship every year or atleast in the mix...the comparison to UH not being motivated to be in their conference championship game in 2011 against USM is completely different because every team in the nation wants and strives to be in their Conference Championship game.
I would love it if Houston won the national championship in football this year. It would be a dream come true if Houston, SDSU or a Boise makes the 4 team playoff. Watching ESPN and the talking heads trying to explain why it's a fluke or error in their new system that needs to be fixed would be beyond words. I'm actually putting a little $ on those 3 this season as I think it's possible that any one of those 3 makes a run and finishes 13-0. In this order: Houston, Boise, SDSU. Houston is going to be scary good this season and SHOULD finish 13-0.
Cheers!
(04-04-2016 08:04 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote: I think what he is saying, is the FSU probably wasn't motivated about going to the Peach, only because that program is use to competing for the National Championship every year or atleast in the mix...the comparison to UH not being motivated to be in their conference championship game in 2011 against USM is completely different because every team in the nation wants and strives to be in their Conference Championship game.
Yada, yada, yada if people won't let anyone from UH get away with any excuse, then no one can get away with that excuse coming from Florida State. If FSU wasn't concerned at all then when they fell down 21-3 they would have just folded but they kept pushing back well into the fourth quarter and had it down to 7 with minutes to go.
(04-04-2016 08:04 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote: I think what he is saying, is the FSU probably wasn't motivated about going to the Peach, only because that program is use to competing for the National Championship every year or atleast in the mix...the comparison to UH not being motivated to be in their conference championship game in 2011 against USM is completely different because every team in the nation wants and strives to be in their Conference Championship game.
Yada, yada, yada if people won't let anyone from UH get away with any excuse, then no one can get away with that excuse coming from Florida State. If FSU wasn't concerned at all then when they fell down 21-3 they would have just folded but they kept pushing back well into the fourth quarter and had it down to 7 with minutes to go.
It just sounds weak.
Don't blame me at all on that, I'm not the one saying that..I was just saying I could see what the other poster was saying. As far as what I think is...that Houston was better than Florida State..and Houston proved it by winning that game. Sure, FSU was most likely disappointed they weren't playing for the National Title, but that is not why they lost the Peach Bowl to ya'll..it's because Houston was by far better and superior...oh, and by the way, I was cheering for the Cougars during the game.
Thanks, the chatter gets old after a while, at least the whole routine about some team not being excited to be there. We can discuss wins or losses but if I have any pride as a player or coach, even with some game week distractions, I'm giving my all to avoid being embarrassed.
(04-05-2016 12:33 AM)_C2_ Wrote: Thanks, the chatter gets old after a while, at least the whole routine about some team not being excited to be there. We can discuss wins or losses but if I have any pride as a player or coach, even with some game week distractions, I'm giving my all to avoid being embarrassed.
Bingo, chatter gets old. You are right, but I believe I have heard some chatter from you about Houston losing to USM because of distractions ?? Same thing that you are arguing about here, chatter and excuses, right ?
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(04-05-2016 12:33 AM)_C2_ Wrote: Thanks, the chatter gets old after a while, at least the whole routine about some team not being excited to be there. We can discuss wins or losses but if I have any pride as a player or coach, even with some game week distractions, I'm giving my all to avoid being embarrassed.
Bingo, chatter gets old. You are right, but I believe I have heard some chatter from you about Houston losing to USM because of distractions ?? Same thing that you are arguing about here, chatter and excuses, right ?
(04-04-2016 04:18 PM)CPR Wrote: You guys beat an over rated FSU team in a game that they weren't pumped up to be in. Not only will you guys not win the CFB title, you won't even sniff the playoff. 1 decent season and you guy(s) get delusional. You'll drop a game you were supposed to win, along with losing to Oklahoma and beat a 9-3/10-2 USF team in the championship game and have another deja vu season.
okay usf fans who are calling winning the west and calling top 25, 10 win season...but yet have never done that in history
you find nothing ironic about a usf fan calling out houston fans delusional for thinking we have a chance at greatness after 1 year but yet are calling usf to have a 10 win season after "1" 8-4 year, your first not horrific season in half a decade, after losing most of your staff and never having won 10 games ever in history?
las vegas has given houston realistic odds to win the title at 40/1
and we'll see how overrated fsu is when they blow you out next season
(04-05-2016 12:33 AM)_C2_ Wrote: Thanks, the chatter gets old after a while, at least the whole routine about some team not being excited to be there. We can discuss wins or losses but if I have any pride as a player or coach, even with some game week distractions, I'm giving my all to avoid being embarrassed.
Bingo, chatter gets old. You are right, but I believe I have heard some chatter from you about Houston losing to USM because of distractions ?? Same thing that you are arguing about here, chatter and excuses, right ?
not the same....
your coach not even preparing your team...and teams saying we didnt want to be here are completely different things
usm is projected decent next season ...you guys go 11-1 are are favored to enter the access bowl and just need to win your CCG ...but texas then fires their coach and all prep week your coach is flying back and forth to texas interviewing for the job and trying to leave, all your players know it and its causing a huge rift..and you end up losing and the next day your coach leaves for texas
is that the same thing as if usm is 12-1 and in the access bowl, blows out bama in the cotton bowl and lsu fans are saying they didnt want to be there as their excuse..in a new years six bowl game on national tv
...so the seniors of bama didnt care enough to get embarrassed on their last game?? that such a weak excuse to me
you and i both know those are different things..houston fans never used the "not motivated" excuse...
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(04-05-2016 12:33 AM)_C2_ Wrote: Thanks, the chatter gets old after a while, at least the whole routine about some team not being excited to be there. We can discuss wins or losses but if I have any pride as a player or coach, even with some game week distractions, I'm giving my all to avoid being embarrassed.
Bingo, chatter gets old. You are right, but I believe I have heard some chatter from you about Houston losing to USM because of distractions ?? Same thing that you are arguing about here, chatter and excuses, right ?
not the same....
your coach not even preparing your team...and teams saying we didnt want to be here are completely different things
usm is projected decent next season ...you guys go 11-1 are are favored to enter the access bowl and just need to win your CCG ...but texas then fires their coach and all prep week your coach is flying back and forth to texas interviewing for the job and trying to leave, all your players know it and its causing a huge rift..and you end up losing and the next day your coach leaves for texas
is that the same thing as if usm is 12-1 and in the access bowl, blows out bama in the cotton bowl and lsu fans are saying they didnt want to be there as their excuse..in a new years six bowl game on national tv
...so the seniors of bama didnt care enough to get embarrassed on their last game?? that such a weak excuse to me
you and i both know those are different things..houston fans never used the "not motivated" excuse...
Yes, it's the same thing...motivated and/or distractions. They are both excuses. And you are seemingly forgetting something, Houston was not the only one that had A&M courting their coach. Fedora was right there doing interviews with the Aggies just like Sumlin, plus..he was also being courted by UNC, and rumors where flying around about Ole Miss wanting him..so, you can say or use any excuse or reasoning you want to use about losing that game...but USM was going the complete same thing...we had the same exact "distractions" facing us as ya'll did.
(04-05-2016 07:43 AM)Jayesseagle Wrote: Bingo, chatter gets old. You are right, but I believe I have heard some chatter from you about Houston losing to USM because of distractions ?? Same thing that you are arguing about here, chatter and excuses, right ?
Hey, what's done is done. You won't see me making those excuses other than that Southern Miss wasn't that good and Houston wasn't that bad. Case Keenum had won like 20 straight home games before that debacle and they were clicking on all cylinders.
We've all lost games because the coach is interviewing, distractions at practice, etc, etc, etc. Can we all just agree that those "excuses" are just noise with us scrambling to find some semblance of a good reason that might prevent others from bruising our own delicate egos? It's just a bunch of meaningless noise used as a protection from opposing fans.....and of no real value.
Having a key injured player or players is probably a decent excuse, the rest is meaningless noise.
I say all of that after the Tigers lost 3 games late this season after Fuente was in the interview process, so I've got some legitimate skin in this discussion....but I just don't see it as a valuable exercise to use it as a defense to ego-bruising.
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