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(08-20-2015 05:09 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  NCAA should mandate that if you want to be Div 1 you need to have a 30k seat stadium minimum. Anything less than that is bush league. Besides, you never know when you'll be good and will need those many seats.
But the fact is all the ncaa mandates is that you have to have 15,000 attendance over a two year rolling period or whatever, I'm too lazy to look it up.
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(08-20-2015 05:17 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(08-20-2015 05:09 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  NCAA should mandate that if you want to be Div 1 you need to have a 30k seat stadium minimum. Anything less than that is bush league. Besides, you never know when you'll be good and will need those many seats.
But the fact is all the ncaa mandates is that you have to have 15,000 attendance over a two year rolling period or whatever, I'm too lazy to look it up.
Nobody here is aTm or Michigan and nobody should claim as much. Fact is we all have attendance problems...Well maybe not ODU seeing as we've sold out 41 games in a row.
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I have faith that both Charlotte and ODU will expand their stadiums in the future. For both schools, it was a sudden move to the conference. Give them time.
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I believe all CUSA schools should at least have 25,000 in the stands. Obviously, ODU and Charlotte will not be able to meet that standard until the stadiums are bigger.

30,000 is around the the lowest stadium capacity for a P5 league (I think Wake and Duke have around this number) and I think it's an excellent long term attendance goal for most CUSA programs. UTEP can be overachievers and shoot for 40K on a normal basis 04-cheers
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(08-20-2015 05:24 PM)WEARE Wrote:  I have faith that both Charloette and ODU will expand their stadiums in the future. For both schools, it was a sudden move to the conference. Give them time.
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(08-20-2015 04:44 PM)Niner National Wrote:  But, years ago construction dollars went a lot farther than they do today because there weren't nearly as many codes or regulations that had to be followed.

We went for quality construction, spending 45+ million on our stadium. Had we gone with a steel construction, we probably could have done 25,000 or more for the same price, but we didn't want an ugly eyesore in the middle of campus.

Not just quality construction (which it is - its a beautiful stadium), but expandability. There is no excavation or basic foundation work needed to erect the middle and upper decks. It will be as close to Lego style building as it gets, because the site was prepped for it. Some of the buildings on the sides were constructed to be foundational for vertical expansion.

The misconception in this thread is that there is no expansion plan for Charlotte. There has been one since the day the stadium construction was announced, and before the program was even invited to CUSA.

[Image: Birds_Eye40k2.jpg]

This is the 40k pre-rendering. Note that the stadium can actually be increased to over 60k, but that would entail some structural changes (likely involving enclosing the open sided end zone).

The disconnect is that the AD is being very quiet about when and how they will execute it. However, their logic has already been discussed on the board. It breaks down to two basic steps:

1) Evaluating attendance/ticket demand in season one of CUSA play. This has as much to do with how well FAU & UTSA draw as Marshall, ODU and USM do. (however, I contend you should build for your regularly occurring high demand games). What incremental expansion to add next. 5k? 10K?

2) Properly funding the expansion - private capital campaign vs increasing student fees.

I find it likely that they will continue to add seats in the 5k blocks over time as the season ticket base is built up, and more high draw local interest games are added to the schedule. App State is going to draw better than anyone else we face, simply because of proximity and animosity. The already scheduled Duke game will be played in about 5 years (when I expect the stadium to be at 25-30k). If the program lands rumored games against Maryland, UNC, etc, it will only increase demand for expansion.

The other thing to understand is that the expansion can be accomplished in a single offseason, and with time to spare. Again, owing to the pre-engineered design.

The bigger challenge would be altering the pre-renderings to add suites on the opposite side of the stadium, and bathrooms will have to added regardless.

Finally, if you look at the history of nearly all the great old college football cathedrals, they weren't built in a day, or a year. 100k didn't happen overnight. They started small, usually around Charlotte's current size (or smaller), and gradually added seats over decades. Why would anyone expect anything else from Charlotte? If it just takes them 5 years to add 10k seats, they'll still be doing it faster than most of those vaunted programs ever did.

Guess which stadium this was?

[Image: NeylandStadium-1934-660x375.jpg]
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(08-20-2015 06:14 PM)Artifice Wrote:  
(08-20-2015 04:44 PM)Niner National Wrote:  But, years ago construction dollars went a lot farther than they do today because there weren't nearly as many codes or regulations that had to be followed.

We went for quality construction, spending 45+ million on our stadium. Had we gone with a steel construction, we probably could have done 25,000 or more for the same price, but we didn't want an ugly eyesore in the middle of campus.

Not just quality construction (which it is - its a beautiful stadium), but expandability. There is no excavation or basic foundation work needed to erect the middle and upper decks. It will be as close to Lego style building as it gets, because the site was prepped for it. Some of the buildings on the sides were constructed to be foundational for vertical expansion.

The misconception in this thread is that there is no expansion plan for Charlotte. There has been one since the day the stadium construction was announced, and before the program was even invited to CUSA.

[Image: Birds_Eye40k2.jpg]

This is the 40k pre-rendering. Note that the stadium can actually be increased to over 60k, but that would entail some structural changes (likely involving enclosing the open sided end zone).

The disconnect is that the AD is being very quiet about when and how they will execute it. However, their logic has already been discussed on the board. It breaks down to two basic steps:

1) Evaluating attendance/ticket demand in season one of CUSA play. This has as much to do with how well FAU & UTSA draw as Marshall, ODU and USM do. (however, I contend you should build for your regularly occurring high demand games). What incremental expansion to add next. 5k? 10K?

2) Properly funding the expansion - private capital campaign vs increasing student fees.

I find it likely that they will continue to add seats in the 5k blocks over time as the season ticket base is built up, and more high draw local interest games are added to the schedule. App State is going to draw better than anyone else we face, simply because of proximity and animosity. The already scheduled Duke game will be played in about 5 years (when I expect the stadium to be at 25-30k). If the program lands rumored games against Maryland, UNC, etc, it will only increase demand for expansion.

The other thing to understand is that the expansion can be accomplished in a single offseason, and with time to spare. Again, owing to the pre-engineered design.

The bigger challenge would be altering the pre-renderings to add suites on the opposite side of the stadium, and bathrooms will have to added regardless.

Finally, if you look at the history of nearly all the great old college football cathedrals, they weren't built in a day, or a year. 100k didn't happen overnight. They started small, usually around Charlotte's current size (or smaller), and gradually added seats over decades. Why would anyone expect anything else from Charlotte? If it just takes them 5 years to add 10k seats, they'll still be doing it faster than most of those vaunted programs ever did.

Guess which stadium this was?

[Image: NeylandStadium-1934-660x375.jpg]

Neyland Stadium- University of Tennessee
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We sold our allotments for both ODU and Charlotte.

This is why Marshall fans are eager for you to expand your stadium a bit. I think Charlotte could sell out a 20k seat stadium for a lot of the CUSA games. If not, I would be very disappointed.

I also think ODU is a sleeping giant. I think they could average around 30k/game with the capacity and a consistent bowl team.
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Charlotte doesn't want any more Marshall fans in there if the game is anything (which it will be) like the ODU game last year. Good luck Charlotte you're gonna need it. b
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(08-20-2015 08:55 PM)Beans N Cornbread Wrote:  Charlotte doesn't want any more Marshall fans in there if the game is anything (which it will be) like the ODU game last year. Good luck Charlotte you're gonna need it. b

The game will be much worse than the MU/ODU game last year. Charlotte is not ready for this.
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I expected but didn't like the beat down. What I didn't like was the lady Marshall fan behind us cheering like it was the first touchdown when Marshall was getting 1st downs in the 3rd quarter. I was very friendly until that point when I finally turned around and told her to shut up.

Think we were down by 40 at that point
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And this thread shows why Marshall and Charlotte are going to be good rivals. Mostly friendly support, some good natured rivalry, and a few jerks to stir the pot. I am looking forward to hosting you this year. If it makes you any feel better, we have raised over $20 million in football related donations since we started this. When it is time to expand, we will be ready.
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(08-20-2015 03:07 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(08-20-2015 07:43 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  I find it quite amusing that existing members of the conference expect teams like Charlotte and ODU to already have 30,000 + seat stadiums. Numbers that took said existing teams literally decades to achieve.

That a lame cop out. 30,000 doesn't mean sold out every game. ODU & Charlotte and anyone else for that matter should be able to get 20,000 + into a stadium to watch 1-A football. Schools shouldn't be in 1-A if they strive for 15,000.

That's the thing though, our admin wasn't striving for IA when the football stadium was built as they figured we'd be FCS for years. CUSA kind of fell in our lap and no way in hades we said no. The stadium will be expanded, it's just a matter of when.
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I cant wait for the Marshall game. Possibly the best team the 49ers will play all season, so yes, expecting a big spread. But it'll be the start of something great.

I'd be happy with the 49ers alternating Marshall and ODU @ home every year (which appears to be the plan for now), plus alternating ECU and App every other year, and filling in the gaps with a rotation of ACC schools like Duke, State, Wake, and CHeat. The atmosphere at all of those games will be incredible.
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(08-20-2015 09:10 PM)MU42 Wrote:  
(08-20-2015 08:55 PM)Beans N Cornbread Wrote:  Charlotte doesn't want any more Marshall fans in there if the game is anything (which it will be) like the ODU game last year. Good luck Charlotte you're gonna need it. b

The game will be much worse than the MU/ODU game last year. Charlotte is not ready for this.

Have to start somewhere. Glad to have Marshall coming to town, and yes, ya'll will probably beat the crap out of us, but that's OK, for now.
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(08-21-2015 09:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
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(08-20-2015 08:55 PM)Beans N Cornbread Wrote:  Charlotte doesn't want any more Marshall fans in there if the game is anything (which it will be) like the ODU game last year. Good luck Charlotte you're gonna need it. b

The game will be much worse than the MU/ODU game last year. Charlotte is not ready for this.

Have to start somewhere. Glad to have Marshall coming to town, and yes, ya'll will probably beat the crap out of us, but that's OK, for now.

just to be clear ... I'm an ODU guy. I did not enjoy that Marshall beat down
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(08-21-2015 09:08 AM)Beans N Cornbread Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 09:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(08-20-2015 09:10 PM)MU42 Wrote:  
(08-20-2015 08:55 PM)Beans N Cornbread Wrote:  Charlotte doesn't want any more Marshall fans in there if the game is anything (which it will be) like the ODU game last year. Good luck Charlotte you're gonna need it. b

The game will be much worse than the MU/ODU game last year. Charlotte is not ready for this.

Have to start somewhere. Glad to have Marshall coming to town, and yes, ya'll will probably beat the crap out of us, but that's OK, for now.

just to be clear ... I'm an ODU guy. I did not enjoy that Marshall beat down

Oh, I know, but like I said, we have to start somewhere. Have a feeling this year will be full of beat downs but that's just the price of admission.
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No matter how bad the beat down will be, I take comfort in knowing that Marshall still has to go back to WV. Charlotte is still winning in one way.
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(08-21-2015 09:52 AM)wh49er Wrote:  No matter how bad the beat down will be, I take comfort in knowing that Marshall still has to go back to WV. Charlotte is still winning in one way.

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(08-21-2015 09:52 AM)wh49er Wrote:  No matter how bad the beat down will be, I take comfort in knowing that Marshall still has to go back to WV. Charlotte is still winning in one way.

Now, that's just mean. COGS
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