(08-19-2015 04:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  boise can't recruit at a big 12 level ...depth is major..saying you'll win off 1 or 2 games a year is getting ahead of yourself

i find it funny you added exclamation point to everyonveryone thing but no to boise

houston has a great record but it's all old

ill do one for boise... boise has a great record but has played historically is a worse league than everyone else...first a weak and raided wac, then a weak and raided mwc

Boise is great but quit the high and mighty ...the big 12 isn't remotely interested

Teams like Kansas, Texas, and Baylor wouldn't be interested in Boise tanking their RPI in basketball season, either.

Anyone who believes Memphis has no shot is simply wrong. The fact is, they know our powers that be finally started focusing on football about four years ago and improvements, dramatic improvements, to facilities continues.

(08-20-2015 10:51 AM)transitt Wrote:  

(08-19-2015 04:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  boise can't recruit at a big 12 level ...depth is major..saying you'll win off 1 or 2 games a year is getting ahead of yourself

i find it funny you added exclamation point to everyonveryone thing but no to boise

houston has a great record but it's all old

ill do one for boise... boise has a great record but has played historically is a worse league than everyone else...first a weak and raided wac, then a weak and raided mwc

Boise is great but quit the high and mighty ...the big 12 isn't remotely interested

Teams like Kansas, Texas, and Baylor wouldn't be interested in Boise tanking their RPI in basketball season, either.

Anyone who believes Memphis has no shot is simply wrong. The fact is, they know our powers that be finally started focusing on football about four years ago and improvements, dramatic improvements, to facilities continues.

Plus they don't want to have to look at the blue turf on TV every other week

Several flaws in the analysis. The time periods selected for P5 wins, average attendance and win-loss records are arbitrary and inconsistent. The importance of location and cultural compatibility totally ignored.

(08-20-2015 10:51 AM)transitt Wrote:  Teams like Kansas, Texas, and Baylor wouldn't be interested in Boise tanking their RPI in basketball season, either.

Boise State has been a at-large NCAA selection twice in the last 3 seasons. I don't think their basketball is holding them back. I think Boise gets the shaft due to academic reputation though.

(08-20-2015 11:55 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:51 AM)transitt Wrote:  Teams like Kansas, Texas, and Baylor wouldn't be interested in Boise tanking their RPI in basketball season, either.

Boise State has been a at-large NCAA selection twice in the last 3 seasons. I don't think their basketball is holding them back. I think Boise gets the shaft due to academic reputation though.

Academics
Small tv market
Tv market is also a low % of cable TVs on top of that
Nonfb is limited
No recruiting base locally
Difficult travel

Not to worry, the Green Wave will Roll into the Big 12 before any other university.

University presidents decide, not bloggers, fans, or newspapers. University presidents seek universities....

(08-20-2015 12:10 PM)Rolling Wave Wrote:  Not to worry, the Green Wave will Roll into the Big 12 before any other university.

University presidents decide, not bloggers, fans, or newspapers. University presidents seek universities....

I realize you're trolling, but you have to understand that if that happened, UT and OU are goneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Tulane athletics aren't even up to par in the AAC.

(08-20-2015 12:10 PM)Rolling Wave Wrote:  Not to worry, the Green Wave will Roll into the Big 12 before any other university.

University presidents decide, not bloggers, fans, or newspapers. University presidents seek universities....

all the big 12 presidents alredy publicly noted that they arent considering anyone who isnt a winner

(08-20-2015 12:03 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:55 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:51 AM)transitt Wrote:  Teams like Kansas, Texas, and Baylor wouldn't be interested in Boise tanking their RPI in basketball season, either.

Boise State has been a at-large NCAA selection twice in the last 3 seasons. I don't think their basketball is holding them back. I think Boise gets the shaft due to academic reputation though.

Academics
Small tv market
Tv market is also a low % of cable TVs on top of that
Nonfb is limited
No recruiting base locally
Difficult travel

I don't disagree at all, just saying Basketball isn't holding them back.

(08-20-2015 12:17 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 12:03 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:55 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:51 AM)transitt Wrote:  Teams like Kansas, Texas, and Baylor wouldn't be interested in Boise tanking their RPI in basketball season, either.

Boise State has been a at-large NCAA selection twice in the last 3 seasons. I don't think their basketball is holding them back. I think Boise gets the shaft due to academic reputation though.

Academics
Small tv market
Tv market is also a low % of cable TVs on top of that
Nonfb is limited
No recruiting base locally
Difficult travel

I don't disagree at all, just saying Basketball isn't holding them back.

You're probably right about that. Look at Rutgers

Rutgers is proof positive that you can suck at all things sports and still get a golden ticket based on location. This is why Cincy, UCF, and USF are sitting pretty regardless.

(08-20-2015 12:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 12:10 PM)Rolling Wave Wrote:  Not to worry, the Green Wave will Roll into the Big 12 before any other university.

University presidents decide, not bloggers, fans, or newspapers. University presidents seek universities....

all the big 12 presidents alredy publicly noted that they arent considering anyone who isnt a winner

Absolutely, why would they. If it happened tomorrow, the B12 would be a national laughing stock. However, if we put up anywhere close to Cinci or even UCF's results over the next 3-5 years, it is far more possible then people realize, IMO of course. That's a big if but there are signs of life.

Winning and losing is such a random event...which is more influenced by coaches, players, injuries, weather and many other factors, than whether a schools is of a certain quality. Which makes winning and loosing virtually irrelevant when choosing a expansion candidate.
What needs to be looked at instead....how many P5 schools has the potential school played throughout the recent history. Which will tell you exactly how much that school has wanted to challenge itself. And Boise doesn't cut it.

Boise has only played 23% of the total P5 schools in the last 25 years. That's about 1 P5 school a year. When many other potential schools have played 50 or more games against P5 schools than Boise.

Boise has also, tallied up all their wins against inferior competition in the WAC and MWC. And the real problem with that is....that ALL the WAC and MWC schools had tougher schedules than Boise.

The sheer weight of evidence against Boise is overwhelming. There is no way they get a shot at the Big 12.

(08-20-2015 12:17 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 12:03 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 11:55 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 10:51 AM)transitt Wrote:  Teams like Kansas, Texas, and Baylor wouldn't be interested in Boise tanking their RPI in basketball season, either.

Boise State has been a at-large NCAA selection twice in the last 3 seasons. I don't think their basketball is holding them back. I think Boise gets the shaft due to academic reputation though.

Academics
Small tv market
Tv market is also a low % of cable TVs on top of that
Nonfb is limited
No recruiting base locally
Difficult travel

I don't disagree at all, just saying Basketball isn't holding them back.

That's two years out of how many? They aren't exactly a basketball power most years.

These types of rankings are really not accurate because they don't compare markets with pro sports properly against those that don't. Example Cincy is in a pro football town and of course the Reds. The Cincy sports fans takes notice when UC plays a top P5 team or a team from a P 5 conference. UC drew 58,000 when Oklahoma came to town. Large crowds were also there when Cincy played WVU, Louisville, The Ohio State game in 2002 drew the largest football crowd in PBS history 68,000. The point is give Cincy a Big 12 schedule and the interest and therefore attendance will be big both at home and fan travels away. I have no doubt UC will fill Nippert as the schedule is beefed up. Miami FL comes to town this year and that game will sell out (40,000) so will games against UCF and most likely Temple.

Boise State has an impressive record of late but I don't see the BIG 12 knocking on their door, ever.

I would say the most likely candidates are

1. Cinci - WVU needs a bus ride and Louisville already joined the ACC
2. Houston - Biggest school with best football pedigree, facilities, and huge market
3. UCF - Big school in big Market
4. Memphis - If the BIG 12 add 3, they will need a 4th

I want no part of the B12....I'm hoping some thing happens and the ACC comes calling. We have history with a number of schools there and UC fits in better as an institiue with several ACC schools unlike the B12

(08-20-2015 10:29 PM)willhclark Wrote:  Boise State has an impressive record of late but I don't see the BIG 12 knocking on their door, ever.

I would say the most likely candidates are

1. Cinci - WVU needs a bus ride and Louisville already joined the ACC
2. Houston - Biggest school with best football pedigree, facilities, and huge market
3. UCF - Big school in big Market
4. Memphis - If the BIG 12 add 3, they will need a 4th

Boise has a recently impressive record...because they don't play any P5 schools until their bowl game. How hard is it to beat WAC quality schools?

Just curious.....
Which one of the old SWC schools do you see sponsoring UofH into the Big 12? Because, I'm not certain that any of them are that sold on UofH joining.

I don't think you can knock BSU for their method. It hasn't yet parlayed into a contract conference invite but they have created a national brand and respect even if it has been against less than average opponents. They've won consistently under the bright lights when it matter most. They played their hand and have succeed more than any non-contract conference team in the country.

(08-21-2015 08:00 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  I don't think you can knock BSU for their method. It hasn't yet parlayed into a contract conference invite but they have created a national brand and respect even if it has been against less than average opponents. They've won consistently under the bright lights when it matter most. They played their hand and have succeed more than any non-contract conference team in the country.

I see it the other way.

Boise played much lower competition throughout the years than all the other candidates for the Big 12.
Those opponent that Boise played in conference played a much tougher schedule than Boise.
Boise has horrible academics which are on par with schools in the Southland or lower.
Boise has a horrible location for P5 conferences.
Idaho is a horrible recruiting area.
Boise has not played...even slightly....a P5 heavy schedule.

How can a school that doesn't measure up in any way....get a sniff for a P5 conference?
Even the worst P5 school you can think of...has played 8 times more P5 schools than Boise in the last 25 years. 8 times more! Even, NMSU has had a better schedule over the last 25 years than Boise. Why not suggest NMSU as a candidate?

Boise is just not P5 worthy.