(08-17-2015 10:02 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:19 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i'd say it's difficult to try to get a big conference school in.

we've had to work deals. we play louieville 2 times up there and once in nashville to get them to come here 1 time.

we've played teams like ole miss at home because they stole our a.d. and we had it in his contract that wherever he went he would owe us ball games.

we had the same thing in petrino's contract for football and i still haven't seen proof we'll ever see them here in football.

we were playing murray every year and they have good respect. we now have belmont and even though they're not a big name hoops people know who they are.

i'd say it's very difficult to get a good team in jonesboro simply because you haven't been very good and would hurt an rpi. yet until last year you were pretty damn tough at home. so why would a school chance losing against a high rpi team?

but i'd imagine you could get the belmonts and murrays. pretty sure you just finished up a home and home with them.

you guys do a great job on your football scheduling. but my guess is brady wants no part of a difficult schedule now.

back to your original question though. by quality non conference opponents do you mean good basketball teams or name land grand universities? because those aren't necessarily the same.

Dahbeed, my friend, we need to get an H&H cooking between the Toppers and the Cajuns. We promise to only play 6 guys at once at your house.

One of the most epic games in conference history. Probably led to all the changes and WKU's turnaround if you ask me.

(08-17-2015 09:19 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i'd say it's difficult to try to get a big conference school in.

we've had to work deals. we play louieville 2 times up there and once in nashville to get them to come here 1 time.

we've played teams like ole miss at home because they stole our a.d. and we had it in his contract that wherever he went he would owe us ball games.

we had the same thing in petrino's contract for football and i still haven't seen proof we'll ever see them here in football.

we were playing murray every year and they have good respect. we now have belmont and even though they're not a big name hoops people know who they are.

i'd say it's very difficult to get a good team in jonesboro simply because you haven't been very good and would hurt an rpi. yet until last year you were pretty damn tough at home. so why would a school chance losing against a high rpi team?

but i'd imagine you could get the belmonts and murrays. pretty sure you just finished up a home and home with them.

you guys do a great job on your football scheduling. but my guess is brady wants no part of a difficult schedule now.

back to your original question though. by quality non conference opponents do you mean good basketball teams or name land grand universities? because those aren't necessarily the same.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

And yes Brady is probably part of the problem not wanting to do 2/3-1 type deals. Word is the going rate is 80K or so to buy a game and power teams just don't have to travel with their embarrassments of riches.

Until stAte starts beating teams with name value, I fear the great unwashed aren't going to give a sh!t about A-State bb. And it doesn't look like that will ever happen. Just seems that outside of March, D1 college basketball has two divisions.

I just don't think a coaching change will be enough to jump start this mess. It would have to be a very lucky hire and he wouldn't be around long if he could recruit like he'd need to be able to.


Attendance was 1856/gm in 2014-15, lowest since 1978. Peaked at 6,643 in 88-89. Bleak.

(08-17-2015 02:27 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 09:19 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i'd say it's difficult to try to get a big conference school in.

we've had to work deals. we play louieville 2 times up there and once in nashville to get them to come here 1 time.

we've played teams like ole miss at home because they stole our a.d. and we had it in his contract that wherever he went he would owe us ball games.

we had the same thing in petrino's contract for football and i still haven't seen proof we'll ever see them here in football.

we were playing murray every year and they have good respect. we now have belmont and even though they're not a big name hoops people know who they are.

i'd say it's very difficult to get a good team in jonesboro simply because you haven't been very good and would hurt an rpi. yet until last year you were pretty damn tough at home. so why would a school chance losing against a high rpi team?

but i'd imagine you could get the belmonts and murrays. pretty sure you just finished up a home and home with them.

you guys do a great job on your football scheduling. but my guess is brady wants no part of a difficult schedule now.

back to your original question though. by quality non conference opponents do you mean good basketball teams or name land grand universities? because those aren't necessarily the same.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

And yes Brady is probably part of the problem not wanting to do 2/3-1 type deals. Word is the going rate is 80K or so to buy a game and power teams just don't have to travel with their embarrassments of riches.

Until stAte starts beating teams with name value, I fear the great unwashed aren't going to give a sh!t about A-State bb. And it doesn't look like that will ever happen. Just seems that outside of March, D1 college basketball has two divisions.

I just don't think a coaching change will be enough to jump start this mess. It would have to be a very lucky hire and he wouldn't be around long if he could recruit like he'd need to be able to.


Attendance was 1856/gm in 2014-15, lowest since 1978. Peaked at 6,643 in 88-89. Bleak.

good lord i didn't realize attendance had slipped that dang low. that shocks me but i understand it.

when we had ken pol pot mcdummy mcdonald as our coach i and any fan with knowledge knew he was terrible and was killing our program.

losing the 6 on 5 game did not get him fired. him being a walking abortion is what got him fired.

and he had us on the precipice of apr troubles so when Ray Harper took over he couldn't just clean house and get some athletic jucos in to turn things around.

the last of the slow-footed can't guard nobodies are gone. even though we have a new team this year i'm actually excited. it's up to Ray to gel them and get something out of them.

it took us 3 years for mcdummy's players to finish up. if you guys are in good on the apr someone can come in and do it quickly. so what if you lose him. you've done a great job hiring football coaches. do the same.

(08-17-2015 04:56 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  good lord i didn't realize attendance had slipped that dang low. that shocks me but i understand it.

when we had ken pol pot mcdummy mcdonald as our coach i and any fan with knowledge knew he was terrible and was killing our program.

losing the 6 on 5 game did not get him fired. him being a walking abortion is what got him fired.

and he had us on the precipice of apr troubles so when Ray Harper took over he couldn't just clean house and get some athletic jucos in to turn things around.

it took us 3 years for mcdummy's players to finish up.

if you guys are in good on the apr someone can come in and do it quickly. so what if you lose him. you've done a great job hiring football coaches. do the same.

Despite all the turnover, APR is not bad, although that might run a year behind.

The thing is, Brady won 19 the two years prior to only winning 11 last year.

I guess the lack of continuity of Freshman coming in and developing into good players is part of the problem.

And evidently the Nutt situation still casts a long shadow over the program - half the people left when we idiotically extended him, the other half left when their "buddy" was fired.

Brady was handed the richest contract ever for an AState coach, not until Gus arrived had anyone ever been paid more.

Brady's shot at hoops glory at AState ended when Trey Finn blew his knee. He's been collecting a check ever since.

ASUWon doesn't like the situation. Wow that's going way out on limb, there probably aren't a dozen fans who think John's our man.

But it is a math problem.

$300k plus to terminate him.
$100k to $150k to terminate the assistants.
If we are going to no half ass the replacement process.
Minimum salary $400k maybe need to look at $500k.
Bump assistant money at least $50k getting serious, more like $100k

So we are discussing an outlay above current budget of not less than $450,000 probably more like $600,000. Divide that by 15 games at $20 per ticket. That means an immediate average attendance boost 2000 per game just pay the one year cost.

Except that's not how budgeting works under Arkansas law unless you are Lu "Chain Gang" Hardin. 100% of that bump can come from only one place. The Red Wolf Foundation.

I realize $600,000 doesn't sound like a lot of money vs what has been spent on facilities, hell it's not even what we spend on full cost of attendance, but the facilities and FCOA do have higher priority.

Won is going to disagree, but I don't think a reasonable person looks at an unwillingness to piss away $450,000 or $600,000 for a single year as equating to not caring about the basketball program. The ROI just isn't there.

He doesn't care about Olympic sports? He just hired a golf coach with multiple juco national championships.

(08-18-2015 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Brady was handed the richest contract ever for an AState coach, not until Gus arrived had anyone ever been paid more.

Brady's shot at hoops glory at AState ended when Trey Finn blew his knee. He's been collecting a check ever since.

ASUWon doesn't like the situation. Wow that's going way out on limb, there probably aren't a dozen fans who think John's our man.

But it is a math problem.

$300k plus to terminate him.
$100k to $150k to terminate the assistants.
If we are going to no half ass the replacement process.
Minimum salary $400k maybe need to look at $500k.
Bump assistant money at least $50k getting serious, more like $100k

So we are discussing an outlay above current budget of not less than $450,000 probably more like $600,000. Divide that by 15 games at $20 per ticket. That means an immediate average attendance boost 2000 per game just pay the one year cost.

Except that's not how budgeting works under Arkansas law unless you are Lu "Chain Gang" Hardin. 100% of that bump can come from only one place. The Red Wolf Foundation.

I realize $600,000 doesn't sound like a lot of money vs what has been spent on facilities, hell it's not even what we spend on full cost of attendance, but the facilities and FCOA do have higher priority.

Won is going to disagree, but I don't think a reasonable person looks at an unwillingness to piss away $450,000 or $600,000 for a single year as equating to not caring about the basketball program. The ROI just isn't there.

He doesn't care about Olympic sports? He just hired a golf coach with multiple juco national championships.

Yeah...that's what I said...just not using so many words....

LOL...just too many words to type, eh Osage?

I knew you guys would get it without all that.

And Arkstfan is happy he got to sling some numbers out there....

(08-18-2015 07:54 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Yeah...that's what I said...just not using so many words....

No.

This is what you said...

(08-16-2015 01:26 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  he is probably the best AD in the conf.

At this point in time, I disagree. I believe he's near the top, but the best? I don't believe you can claim that, with a men's basketball program in as bad a shape as ours.

Jonesboro High School draws nearly as many fans to their basketball games, as ASU does. Of course, JHS actually plays winning basketball. IMO, a D1 AD, whose men's basketball program is close to being outdrawn by the local high school basketball team, doesn't belong in the conversation of best AD in the conference.

We spent money on new seats, of which 90% are currently unoccupied at games, and video boards for the Convo. Why? There are only 1,000 people, give or take a 100, depending on the night, who are still left attending games, due to the abysmal product on the floor. Most of us do it out of loyalty to the school. It's certainly not for any enjoyment derived from attending. More times than not, I leave the Convo with elevated blood pressure and the urge to throat punch somebody.

Who do we hold responsible for the oversight of the product on the floor? Who do we hold responsible for the major decline in attendance and revenue, if not the AD? Like it, or not, it is Mohajir's ultimate responsibility.

How many of you ASU fans who have posted in this thread are current men's basketball season ticket holders? Just curious...

(08-18-2015 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  ASUWon doesn't like the situation.

Not one bit.

(08-18-2015 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Won is going to disagree

I agree.

(08-18-2015 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  but I don't think a reasonable person looks at an unwillingness to piss away $450,000 or $600,000 for a single year as equating to not caring about the basketball program.

Can you point me to any evidence which demonstrates his care for the basketball program?

(08-18-2015 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  He doesn't care about Olympic sports? He just hired a golf coach with multiple juco national championships.

I don't remember claiming that, but if I did, I was wrong. He just doesn't appear to care about basketball, and I believe one would have a hard task in making a case that he does care, at this point in time, which relied on his actions as proof.

I was the one who made the claim on Olympic Sports. But then again, I am as dedicated to the baseball program as Won is to the basketball program.

Maybe its because I don't jump on the football bandwagon like the rest of you do because I'm more of a baseball/Soccer guy, but TM is not very popular among a lot of people close to those programs. Can he be? Sure...but the feeling that many have he doesn't care.

Again, that's not my opinion, it's someone else's. Don't shoot the messenger.

(08-18-2015 08:45 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  And Arkstfan is happy he got to sling some numbers out there....

Love my numbers.

(08-19-2015 11:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 08:45 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  And Arkstfan is happy he got to sling some numbers out there....

Love my numbers.

Even more than Fox Sports.

(08-19-2015 12:55 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I was the one who made the claim on Olympic Sports. But then again, I am as dedicated to the baseball program as Won is to the basketball program.

Maybe its because I don't jump on the football bandwagon like the rest of you do because I'm more of a baseball/Soccer guy, but TM is not very popular among a lot of people close to those programs. Can he be? Sure...but the feeling that many have he doesn't care.

Again, that's not my opinion, it's someone else's. Don't shoot the messenger.

And until the revenue producers for football are completed, I don't expect supporters of Olympic sports to be happy. Ops center will include remodeling of the end zone seating to add more premium seating.

Though I will add that we had to waste money (my opinion) to retrofit the track complex to accommodate soccer because the prior administration rejected appeals to place soccer there initially instead of having soccer in a facility with no permanent restrooms or bleacher seating.

I am an advocate of Olympic sports, would love to see us add at least three more, but I also understand when working with a very finite budget by even G5 standards that moves that increase revenue have to take priority. The real test and measure comes in how resources are allocated once you've crossed that bridge.

South Alabama's president Tony Waldrop won two national championships in college in track and in 1974 set the world record for the indoor mile at 3 minutes and 55 seconds.

(08-18-2015 11:48 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 07:54 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Yeah...that's what I said...just not using so many words....

No.

This is what you said...

(08-16-2015 01:26 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  he is probably the best AD in the conf.

At this point in time, I disagree. I believe he's near the top, but the best? I don't believe you can claim that, with a men's basketball program in as bad a shape as ours.

Jonesboro High School draws nearly as many fans to their basketball games, as ASU does. Of course, JHS actually plays winning basketball. IMO, a D1 AD, whose men's basketball program is close to being outdrawn by the local high school basketball team, doesn't belong in the conversation of best AD in the conference.

We spent money on new seats, of which 90% are currently unoccupied at games, and video boards for the Convo. Why? There are only 1,000 people, give or take a 100, depending on the night, who are still left attending games, due to the abysmal product on the floor. Most of us do it out of loyalty to the school. It's certainly not for any enjoyment derived from attending. More times than not, I leave the Convo with elevated blood pressure and the urge to throat punch somebody.

Who do we hold responsible for the oversight of the product on the floor? Who do we hold responsible for the major decline in attendance and revenue, if not the AD? Like it, or not, it is Mohajir's ultimate responsibility.

How many of you ASU fans who have posted in this thread are current men's basketball season ticket holders? Just curious...

I agree with everything you said. And yes, I'm sadly a season ticket holder and make the nearly 3 hour round trip for almost every home game.