(08-03-2015 02:39 PM)Go Blue Wrote:  If the team, cheerleaders, band members and other supporters can strap it on, suit up and work hard throughout the fall and the three-plus hours on a weeknight for your entertainment, the least you can do as a "fan" is to show up and sit there and enjoy it. The hard labor by those that matter (the team and others) stands in sharp contrast to your excuse of needing to stay up late on a weeknight. It is what it is, we are who we are, and these young people need your support no matter the day of the week.

The boldfaces groups REALLY don't have much choice in the matter or it could be said, they've made a choice. I hear what you're saying but we're also talking for the wider fanbase, those with kids, weekday obligations that you'd really not want them showing up to work slusheyed.

Remember, we're the die hard enough to post on the fan boards to discuss team, team policies.... and put opinions out there that others can readily agree with or attack. If someone like those that have posted said weekday games can be a hardship, then it's really not "excuses," IMO It's legit opinionating on what's best for the programs.

(08-03-2015 02:39 PM)Go Blue Wrote:  If the team, cheerleaders, band members and other supporters can strap it on, suit up and work hard throughout the fall and the three-plus hours on a weeknight for your entertainment, the least you can do as a "fan" is to show up and sit there and enjoy it. The hard labor by those that matter (the team and others) stands in sharp contrast to your excuse of needing to stay up late on a weeknight. It is what it is, we are who we are, and these young people need your support no matter the day of the week.

The people on this board are the ones that do that, if at all possible. Unfortunately, it's a relatively small slice of the population that is willing to do that. That slice would be bigger if we were playing on a Saturday.

Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

(08-03-2015 03:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

So you get 16K instead of 20K. That's still significant.

(08-03-2015 02:39 PM)Go Blue Wrote:  If the team, cheerleaders, band members and other supporters can strap it on, suit up and work hard throughout the fall and the three-plus hours on a weeknight for your entertainment, the least you can do as a "fan" is to show up and sit there and enjoy it. The hard labor by those that matter (the team and others) stands in sharp contrast to your excuse of needing to stay up late on a weeknight. It is what it is, we are who we are, and these young people need your support no matter the day of the week.

Really... LOL

Sure, I like getting home at 1:00 - 1:30 AM in the morning during the middle of the week, then getting up at 5:00 AM "mentally sharp and ready to do my job". During the work week my obligation is to my employer.

In my case I'm leading and managing a major, multi-year, global project that involves a lot of attention-to-detail and coordination, not to mention dealing with the nuances of 23 different countries in which my employer operates. Thus far in 2015 I've worked 40% of my weekends migrating sites to new technology when the plants are shut down. I'm sure most of the others on this board are in similar situations when it comes to work in the real world. I'd gladly trade college life for work.

Play the game on the day it was meant to be played... Saturday. That's best for everyone to be able to experience the pageantry that is college football on game day. Game day is not rushing home from work to drive to the Glass Bowl, and then sit in a mostly empty stadium during the middle of the week. This middle of the week in November crap is killing the fan base, rivalries, etc.

Oh, and unless I'm working, I've been to 90-95% of the Toledo games home and away for many, many years. I think I qualify as a fan.

Anyways, as a pretty loyal fan I'll continue to express my displeasure with the mid-week, mid-November games.

GO ROCKETS!!!

(08-03-2015 03:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

True at present but around the turn of the century small for us was fewer than 23,000 to 25,000, so my concern is whether our attendance has finally bottomed or are the numbers going to continue to fall (especially if there are no occasional MACC or a few wins from time to time over P5 opponents)?

Anyway, as was correctly pointed out, at present the temptation of the $$$$ as well as the thirst for national exposure totally trumps any concern for fans so our only choice is to put up with it or find another outlet for our time, interest and money.

(08-03-2015 05:38 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

True at present but around the turn of the century small for us was fewer than 23,000 to 25,000, so my concern is whether our attendance has finally bottomed or are the numbers going to continue to fall (especially if there are no occasional MACC or a few wins from time to time over P5 opponents)?

Anyway, as was correctly pointed out, at present the temptation of the $$$$ as well as the thirst for national exposure totally trumps any concern for fans so our only choice is to put up with it or find another outlet for our time, interest and money.

I don't know that they've really supported that either has occurred to a benefit. The conference is still mired at the bottom, so how does this national exposure ring to better teams? And whether or not the additional money is benefit would depend upon where it goes. If it's just going to the benefit of the people that made the national deal, then it was self-serving. If no case can be made that it more than makes up for revenue lost by butts in the seats, concessions, bringing people on campus, bringing people in from out of town for games... then again, who's actually making the money?

A million a year, is that really all that much compared to the extra income to retailers, campus and other things from butts in the seats? And that million is depreciating every year.


I'm not saying for positive it was a bad decision or a bad deal. I'm saying that IMO they haven't had to really accept the challenge of supporting that is was or there was nothing in that article to even approach a challenge. It was all accepted on faith, a fluff piece for no reason.

Compare that to the more recent article on the UT/MY-Buffalo/Whitewater connections. The intent of that type article is fluff. It's human interest, nothing to challenge. It was a good article.

As an out of towner, I hate that I can't come up for a late season NIU or BG game every year. That would be a great family tradition. On the plus side, our late season games are almost always on ESPN or ESPN2. Just invested in a Roku to make sure I get every game (on ESPN3) in HD now as well. Haven't done and probably won't be doing the road trip thing for a while, at least until a rival (or NIU) MAC game on a Saturday or big-time FCS opponent comes to UT on a Saturday.

(08-03-2015 03:45 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

So you get 16K instead of 20K. That's still significant.

Yeah but there is still an environment with a 70% capacity opposed to one under 40%

(08-04-2015 01:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:45 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

So you get 16K instead of 20K. That's still significant.

Yeah but there is still an environment with a 70% capacity opposed to one under 40%

We can't help it Toledo didn't bring any fans and our fans didn't care enough about the matchup. We had more fans for all our other games.

(08-04-2015 03:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 01:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:45 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

So you get 16K instead of 20K. That's still significant.

Yeah but there is still an environment with a 70% capacity opposed to one under 40%

We can't help it Toledo didn't bring any fans and our fans didn't care enough about the matchup. We had more fans for all our other games.

Isn't that what we're discussing, how we can "help" that or what are the effects of mid-week games? Not sure why you got on his case there?

(08-03-2015 04:04 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 02:39 PM)Go Blue Wrote:  If the team, cheerleaders, band members and other supporters can strap it on, suit up and work hard throughout the fall and the three-plus hours on a weeknight for your entertainment, the least you can do as a "fan" is to show up and sit there and enjoy it. The hard labor by those that matter (the team and others) stands in sharp contrast to your excuse of needing to stay up late on a weeknight. It is what it is, we are who we are, and these young people need your support no matter the day of the week.

Really... LOL

Sure, I like getting home at 1:00 - 1:30 AM in the morning during the middle of the week, then getting up at 5:00 AM "mentally sharp and ready to do my job". During the work week my obligation is to my employer.

In my case I'm leading and managing a major, multi-year, global project that involves a lot of attention-to-detail and coordination, not to mention dealing with the nuances of 23 different countries in which my employer operates. Thus far in 2015 I've worked 40% of my weekends migrating sites to new technology when the plants are shut down. I'm sure most of the others on this board are in similar situations when it comes to work in the real world. I'd gladly trade college life for work.

Play the game on the day it was meant to be played... Saturday. That's best for everyone to be able to experience the pageantry that is college football on game day. Game day is not rushing home from work to drive to the Glass Bowl, and then sit in a mostly empty stadium during the middle of the week. This middle of the week in November crap is killing the fan base, rivalries, etc.

Oh, and unless I'm working, I've been to 90-95% of the Toledo games home and away for many, many years. I think I qualify as a fan.



Anyways, as a pretty loyal fan I'll continue to express my displeasure with the mid-week, mid-November games.

GO ROCKETS!!!

I give it 5-10 years and Toledo (along with the rest of the MAC, CUSA, SunBelt) will be playing again on Saturdays....albeit as an FCS, or some sort of sub-FBS division, team. The Power Five will hijack the top division. We will have our own lower tier but will playing again in front of decent crowds on Saturdays. Just how I see this unfolding...

(08-03-2015 04:04 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 02:39 PM)Go Blue Wrote:  If the team, cheerleaders, band members and other supporters can strap it on, suit up and work hard throughout the fall and the three-plus hours on a weeknight for your entertainment, the least you can do as a "fan" is to show up and sit there and enjoy it. The hard labor by those that matter (the team and others) stands in sharp contrast to your excuse of needing to stay up late on a weeknight. It is what it is, we are who we are, and these young people need your support no matter the day of the week.

Really... LOL

Sure, I like getting home at 1:00 - 1:30 AM in the morning during the middle of the week, then getting up at 5:00 AM "mentally sharp and ready to do my job". During the work week my obligation is to my employer.

In my case I'm leading and managing a major, multi-year, global project that involves a lot of attention-to-detail and coordination, not to mention dealing with the nuances of 23 different countries in which my employer operates. Thus far in 2015 I've worked 40% of my weekends migrating sites to new technology when the plants are shut down. I'm sure most of the others on this board are in similar situations when it comes to work in the real world. I'd gladly trade college life for work.

Play the game on the day it was meant to be played... Saturday. That's best for everyone to be able to experience the pageantry that is college football on game day. Game day is not rushing home from work to drive to the Glass Bowl, and then sit in a mostly empty stadium during the middle of the week. This middle of the week in November crap is killing the fan base, rivalries, etc.

Oh, and unless I'm working, I've been to 90-95% of the Toledo games home and away for many, many years. I think I qualify as a fan.



Anyways, as a pretty loyal fan I'll continue to express my displeasure with the mid-week, mid-November games.

GO ROCKETS!!!

I give it 5-10 years and Toledo (along with the rest of the MAC, CUSA, SunBelt) will be playing again on Saturdays....albeit as an FCS, or some sort of sub-FBS division, team. The Power Five will hijack the top division. We will have our own lower tier but will playing again in front of decent crowds on Saturdays. Just how I see this unfolding...

And didnt bring any fans? Hold up. We are 6 hours away. It's not like Toledo travels like Big10 teams when we play on Saturdays??? We still had a section, small or not... You cant blame TOLEDO for your abismal MACWC game crowd.

(08-04-2015 04:11 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 03:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 01:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:45 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Again, small for us is 16k+ not 8k.

So you get 16K instead of 20K. That's still significant.

Yeah but there is still an environment with a 70% capacity opposed to one under 40%

We can't help it Toledo didn't bring any fans and our fans didn't care enough about the matchup. We had more fans for all our other games.

Isn't that what we're discussing, how we can "help" that or what are the effects of mid-week games? Not sure why you got on his case there?

You didn't notice the dig at NIU's attendance?

(08-04-2015 04:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 04:11 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 03:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-04-2015 01:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 03:45 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So you get 16K instead of 20K. That's still significant.

Yeah but there is still an environment with a 70% capacity opposed to one under 40%

We can't help it Toledo didn't bring any fans and our fans didn't care enough about the matchup. We had more fans for all our other games.

Isn't that what we're discussing, how we can "help" that or what are the effects of mid-week games? Not sure why you got on his case there?

You didn't notice the dig at NIU's attendance?

No honestly. I thought he was stating the reality for comparison's sake.

(08-03-2015 04:04 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(08-03-2015 02:39 PM)Go Blue Wrote:  ... the least you can do as a "fan" is to show up and sit there and enjoy it. ...

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In my case I'm leading and managing a major, multi-year, global project that involves a lot of attention-to-detail and coordination, not to mention dealing with the nuances of 23 different countries in which my employer operates. Thus far in 2015 I've worked 40% of my weekends migrating sites to new technology when the plants are shut down. I'm sure most of the others on this board are in similar situations when it comes to work in the real world....

Yeah, right there with you Bro! Sweaten these 2am skype conferences with Madelyn from Scranton to set up, ... uh, ... work and stuff.