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RE: AAC out recruiting the rest of the G5
(07-27-2015 12:45 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  
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(07-27-2015 10:58 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'm happy we have such great recruits. If this conference sticks together we'll be in great position to scoop up the big 12 leftovers should they implode. If we have 4-5 big schools (think usf, ucf, cincy, Houston, and smu) no chance this conference doesn't get a lot of good exposure

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You need to swap out USF for ECU and UConn. UConn collects NCAA championships for fun and ECU produces on the gridiron.

you should have siad add ecu and uconn...usf out recruits everyone in the leaggue...all becuase 1 coach doesnt know what to do with the talen doesnt mean the next coach wont

not only are they currently out recruiting us they have the best talent in the league. its like they have an 8 year old driving a Ferrari down there.
Our problem is we don't have a qb. If we had one we'd be winning

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We've got a ton of them. We'll trade Dane Evans along with frank Haith for Matlon Mack and an unproven (as of yet) Orlando Antigua
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I'm not worried about Memphis' initial recruits not having P5 offers. I trust Fuente with getting the right guys and coaching them up. He obviously knows how to do that!
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(07-27-2015 02:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 12:45 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 12:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 12:16 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  You need to swap out USF for ECU and UConn. UConn collects NCAA championships for fun and ECU produces on the gridiron.

you should have siad add ecu and uconn...usf out recruits everyone in the leaggue...all becuase 1 coach doesnt know what to do with the talen doesnt mean the next coach wont

not only are they currently out recruiting us they have the best talent in the league. its like they have an 8 year old driving a Ferrari down there.
Our problem is we don't have a qb. If we had one we'd be winning

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We've got a ton of them. We'll trade Dane Evans along with frank Haith for Matlon Mack and an unproven (as of yet) Orlando Antigua
No deal lol. Give us an offensive coordinator worth his salt instead of haith and we'll give you...a choice of defensive coach that doesn't include woodie or allen.

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(07-27-2015 09:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  not a dig...but why do people act like june wasnt a good recruiter..and morris is on some other level

in all honesty this is the fastest recruiting start in smu in a long time but this is will likely finish lower ranked than many smu classes under june ...if audie doesnt commit to smu (4star wr loooking at smu) and viewed as unlikely ...june classes will have an average of 3 players rated higher than anyone on smu's current class....this is not a dig on smu but the fact june on average brought in 1 or 2 4star players a year

One staff works their butts off, one sat back and waited for videos to arrive by mail. One staff visited hundreds of area high schools within their first week, the other rarely left University Park. One staff embraces technology, social media, and the youth culture, the other thought the overhead projector was an awesome invention. The body of one head coach was here, but his mind was always in Hawaii, while the other is thrilled to be back in Texas.

June Jones' last class had 3 (3 star Rivals) players. One had no other FBS offers. One had 14 P5 offers, but because of a late coaching change had few options beyond SMU. The 3rd had 2 P5 offers.

Chad Morris' first class had 4 (3 star Rivals) with 39 FBS offers between them and 16 P5 offers (3-2-4-7). This was accomplished even with a shortened recruiting period, lame duck staff, losing season, and honoring the commitments to the previous staff.

For 2016, SMU has commitments from 4 (3 star Rivals as of now) players. They have 16 P5 offers between them (5-6-5-0). Unlike previous years, the 2 stars have legitimate FBS offers, many at least a couple P5 offers (4 players have at least 2 P5 offers and 6 or more FBS offers). This is coming off a 1 win season.

And if you are really interested in the difference, I give you the following media links. Enjoy:

Adamson High School head coach Josh Ragsdale and his offensive coordinator spent the entire day locked in the SMU film room with Morris and his staff.

"We talked football from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. We watched film, went on the board, and any detail we wanted Chad gave us," Ragsdale said. "That was shocking to me. That's so valuable for our staff."

Adamson is located only a few miles away from SMU's campus. Taking back roads, Ragsdale can be there in seven minutes. And yet, despite the proximity, the coach's relationship with SMU up until the past few months has been almost nonexistent.

texas-favorite-son-chad-morris-is-ready-to-finally-save-smu

“I can tell you North Texas lives here, TCU, Texas, even Texas Tech lives out here. But…” Mathis said as he raised his arms and looked around as though for the SMU staff. “They’re in the backyard.”

Mathis said his players would have no problem picking SMU if they got offers. But the Mustangs just don’t seem interested in recruiting prospects from a program considered to be an FBS football factory.

desoto-head-coach-claude-mathis-i-wish-smu-would-recruit-us-harder

This is my favorite article:
It's not often SMU sends out offers to Cedar Hill players despite the fact that the Longhorns constantly produce some of the top talent in the metroplex. Oklahoma pledge Marcus Green was even quoted saying that quarterbacks coach Dan Morrison told him ‘he didn't even know he was recruiting Cedar Hill.'
http://www.scoutlodge-talks-breakout-year-smu-offer

Now the difference a Chad can make:
Once day broke, the staff would hit the road. Forget sleep — Morris said the staff visited 200 schools in two weeks.
Smu-hosted-close-to-1000-high-school-coaches-during-spring-practice

For Morris and his staff to rebuild relationships, something as simple as a phone call could be all that’s needed. When Smith reached out to Bellaire Episcopal coach Steve Leisz to give him his newly minted SMU e-mail address, Leisz was flabbergasted.

“Because, in my years of coaching, there’s not been a SMU guy return a phone call,” Leisz said.

chad-morris-is-rebuilding-smu-by-recruiting-in-state-and-he-s-already-winning-some-major-battles

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June Jones won with Bennett's players, and a few key athletes that fell into his lap (i.e. Line, Hunt, Gilbert). Had he and his staff put in any effort at all, he could have built on his success. Instead, the quality of the classes continued to decline until it was obvious to even the most rapid Jones supporter that SMU was heading in the wrong direction.

Morris has yet to prove anything at SMU on the field. But you cannot build or maintain a winning program without establishing relationships with High Schools and their coaches, and recruiting the very best athletes possible for your system. By all accounts, Morris and staff are making excellent progress. With any success on the field, it should only get easier.
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Kandy Atz im sure you counted half of jones commits in that comparison.....and counted it for morris ..James Proche II your hisghest rated recruit was committed under jones among over half

but i was stating jones wasnt a bad recruiter...
and i know smu is coming off a 1 win season, the fact youve been doing so well is a testament....your class would likely be somewhat similar to Houston if we were coming of the same record

but jones wasnt a bad recruiter and this wont be smu best class...but i do think after morris turns smu around, they will be bring in another level of recruiting
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(07-27-2015 03:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  Kandy Atz im sure you counted half of jones commits in that comparison.....and counted it for morris ..James Proche II your hisghest rated recruit was committed under jones among over half

but i was stating jones wasnt a bad recruiter...
and i know smu is coming off a 1 win season, the fact youve been doing so well is a testament....your class would likely be somewhat similar to Houston if we were coming of the same record

but jones wasnt a bad recruiter and this wont be smu best class...but i do think after morris turns smu around, they will be bring in another level of recruiting

Jones mailed it in near the end, end of story. He lost the passion.
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(07-27-2015 03:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  Kandy Atz im sure you counted half of jones commits in that comparison.....and counted it for morris ..James Proche II your hisghest rated recruit was committed under jones among over half

but i was stating jones wasnt a bad recruiter...
and i know smu is coming off a 1 win season, the fact youve been doing so well is a testament....your class would likely be somewhat similar to Houston if we were coming of the same record

but jones wasnt a bad recruiter and this wont be smu best class...but i do think after morris turns smu around, they will be bring in another level of recruiting

Jones. Didn't. Recruit.

We were "doing so well" because 1) JJ had Bennett's players and possibly one decent class (before the 2011 ASU fiasco) and 2) he managed to notch wins against teams that ended the season with losing records. We had an atrocious record against teams that went bowling.
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(07-27-2015 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  
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(07-27-2015 10:58 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'm happy we have such great recruits. If this conference sticks together we'll be in great position to scoop up the big 12 leftovers should they implode. If we have 4-5 big schools (think usf, ucf, cincy, Houston, and smu) no chance this conference doesn't get a lot of good exposure

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You need to swap out USF for ECU and UConn. UConn collects NCAA championships for fun and ECU produces on the gridiron.

you should have said add ecu and uconn...usf out recruits everyone in the league...all becuase 1 coach doesnt know what to do with the talent doesnt mean the next coach wont

Skip Holtz couldn't do it there at USF either. Weird, sooo much talent and can't put it together.

Thought: do you think they get highly ranked players who believe they should be at FSU, Miami or UofF and just give the I don't care or try attitude? Like they are too good to be there.
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(07-27-2015 04:01 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 12:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 12:16 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 10:58 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  I'm happy we have such great recruits. If this conference sticks together we'll be in great position to scoop up the big 12 leftovers should they implode. If we have 4-5 big schools (think usf, ucf, cincy, Houston, and smu) no chance this conference doesn't get a lot of good exposure

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You need to swap out USF for ECU and UConn. UConn collects NCAA championships for fun and ECU produces on the gridiron.

you should have said add ecu and uconn...usf out recruits everyone in the league...all becuase 1 coach doesnt know what to do with the talent doesnt mean the next coach wont

Skip Holtz couldn't do it there at USF either. Weird, sooo much talent and can't put it together.

Thought: do you think they get highly ranked players who believe they should be at FSU, Miami or UofF and just give the I don't care or try attitude? Like they are too good to be there.

my honest opinion... holtz is a great coach but who's style of play doesnt translate to higher level or didnt translate to the style of the league...
c-usa when he was in it, had horrible defenses on average, had sucess...the big east when he was in it was a defensive league...did horrible..returns to a horrible defense league in c-usa nad is back to being on top

and taggart was overhyped from the get go to me..his best season was a 7-5 season in the sunbelt...how everyone thought going into his first season he was going to win 8-10 games his first year in a dramatically harder AAC i dont know..o r how some projected 7-8 wins his second season...

if they fire taggart i think they should get an OC from a elite team top 5 team, or a Coach that can win at an elite level from the lower level (maybe make a power move and try to take boise's coach..or niu if they win 10+ again)...butch jones might be a great move since he built miami in the early 2000's..high ceiling..and the worst i could see with jones is never being elite but being a regular 7 win team which usf would take in heartbeat at this point
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Butch Davis? No. Nobody needs to hire Butch Davis unless they want the death penalty.
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(07-27-2015 05:22 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Butch Davis? No. Nobody needs to hire Butch Davis unless they want the death penalty.

In that case, they should totally hire Butch Davis 04-rock
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it is beyond proven that June was not a recruiter. at all He was obsessed by his 30 year old high school offense and that is all that mattered.

If he did anything well he would have been picked up by now. Crickets.
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Strange how Bearcats#1 wants him at Cincinnati
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(07-27-2015 08:22 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Strange how Bearcats#1 wants him at Cincinnati

I think he wants him in a coach/AD position. Get the whole June experience.
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(07-27-2015 05:22 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Butch Davis? No. Nobody needs to hire Butch Davis unless they want the death penalty.

I am not a huge Butch Davis fan. I honestly would look at three guys for USF...given, I still think Taggart wins 6 this year and gets another year to pull this together but...

If its me, my list is:
1. Troy Calhoun. Makes only $850K and could do great things with our talent.

2. Ken Niumatolo. His triple option/ spread is perfect for the talent were getting. We dont land the 5* guys, but we land great athletes and his scheme would work well.

3. Scott Frost. I think hes attainable and is definitely one of the top up and coming assistants. Our AD is a Pac12 guy and is familiar with him. I think Oregons offense speaks for itself.

4. Greg Schiano... I hate this man but at college level, he builds strong teams with very little. He also recruited Florida very well and he still lives in the Tampa bay Area.
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(07-25-2015 08:18 PM)Chappy Wrote:  
(07-25-2015 06:34 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  I was banned from the WVU si;te today. It seems their fans are not happy we just took 3 straight recruits from them this week that had West Virginia offers.

First we took their meals, then we took their recruits!

Der takin' our class!!! 05-stirthepot
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(07-27-2015 07:03 PM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 05:22 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Butch Davis? No. Nobody needs to hire Butch Davis unless they want the death penalty.

In that case, they should totally hire Butch Davis 04-rock

Butch didn't do anything at UNC that wasn't already being done by his predecessors. He just utilized the program as it existed. For that he was fired as a scapegoat and the $2.7 million he got was hush money. I guarantee if his termination agreement were made public it includes a clause about keeping his mouth shut. UNC was cheating half a century before Butch came along and it was a refined system the likes of which has not been revealed before in the history of college athletics. I don't think Butch objected to the 'program', but was attracted to it when he agreed to coach there.
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(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)ultraviolet Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 07:03 PM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 05:22 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Butch Davis? No. Nobody needs to hire Butch Davis unless they want the death penalty.

In that case, they should totally hire Butch Davis 04-rock

Butch didn't do anything at UNC that wasn't already being done by his predecessors. He just utilized the program as it existed. For that he was fired as a scapegoat and the $2.7 million he got was hush money. I guarantee if his termination agreement were made public it includes a clause about keeping his mouth shut. UNC was cheating half a century before Butch came along and it was a refined system the likes of which has not been revealed before in the history of college athletics. I don't think Butch objected to the 'program', but was attracted to it when he agreed to coach there.

I wonder how Roy Williams survived.
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(07-28-2015 10:19 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  
(07-28-2015 09:43 AM)ultraviolet Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 07:03 PM)UCFKnightfan08 Wrote:  
(07-27-2015 05:22 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Butch Davis? No. Nobody needs to hire Butch Davis unless they want the death penalty.

In that case, they should totally hire Butch Davis 04-rock

Butch didn't do anything at UNC that wasn't already being done by his predecessors. He just utilized the program as it existed. For that he was fired as a scapegoat and the $2.7 million he got was hush money. I guarantee if his termination agreement were made public it includes a clause about keeping his mouth shut. UNC was cheating half a century before Butch came along and it was a refined system the likes of which has not been revealed before in the history of college athletics. I don't think Butch objected to the 'program', but was attracted to it when he agreed to coach there.

I wonder how Roy Williams survived.

Lots of fall on their sword types to buffer him with all sorts of (in their minds) plausible deniability scenarios.
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Coogs got another one. National Rivals 4th-ranked offensive center Keenan Murphy. Offers to play in the Big 12, SEC and Pac 12.
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