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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
The MAC dropping down to FCS sounds plausible. We already know there is support at Akron to do so.

Ohio U would be a solid CUSA add.

Merging with the Sunbelt is never going to happen. A major shift further upstream could have CUSA raiding the Belt again for its few remaining decent programs, but that will only be after the top of CUSA (probably based on media markets) leaves for the AAC to backfill that league.
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G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
(07-21-2015 01:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 01:38 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  No. Please, no. I never again want to be associated with 75% of the teams in the dumpster fire of a conference.

The top 2/3 of the conference isn't bad at all. It's the bottom 4 that really have a bad reputation/history. Even Georgia State has potential with it being a state school in a massive media hub. Arkansas State, ULL, Texas State, South Alabama, Georgia Southern, and Appalachian State all have good athletics programs.

I'm not for a merger, but a lot of the Sun Belt schools could help the conference, especially if tightening the geography of each division and cutting down on crossover games is the goal. The two division champions could still play each other for the football championship and a scheduling alliance could be created in basketball.

The only teams from the SBC I would ever be "okay" with being in CUSA is stAte, George Southern, & ULaLa. All others, no way. Maybe not even stAte due to terrible basketball.
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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
(07-21-2015 02:29 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 01:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 01:38 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  No. Please, no. I never again want to be associated with 75% of the teams in the dumpster fire of a conference.

The top 2/3 of the conference isn't bad at all. It's the bottom 4 that really have a bad reputation/history. Even Georgia State has potential with it being a state school in a massive media hub. Arkansas State, ULL, Texas State, South Alabama, Georgia Southern, and Appalachian State all have good athletics programs.

I'm not for a merger, but a lot of the Sun Belt schools could help the conference, especially if tightening the geography of each division and cutting down on crossover games is the goal. The two division champions could still play each other for the football championship and a scheduling alliance could be created in basketball.

The only teams from the SBC I would ever be "okay" with being in CUSA is stAte, George Southern, & ULaLa. All others, no way. Maybe not even stAte due to terrible basketball.

YOu could say the same for Georgia Southern basketball...Last season was not the norm for their basketball program...
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Crappy basketball, low budgets and limited success=your Sun Belt football conference America!
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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
Merging CUSA & Sun Belt? Why? CUSA recruits the Sun Belt teams when CUSA gets their teams taken elsewhere (AAC).

Also -- How? CUSA already has 14 teams. IMO, a conference should top out at 16. It would mean CUSA would just pick up another 2 from Sun Belt (GA-Southern, App-State).

I could see a debate about that being there. Or sending a couple newer D1AA/FCS transfers down to Sun Belt, and picking up another two (LA-Laf, Ark-State).

Merging between 14 & 11 teams would give 25 teams in a conference. Even if you "limited" it to, say, 20 teams, you'd basically have two divisions of a conference-sized, and 5 teams leftover with no conference.

If I was CUSA, I'd just want to exchange the worst for the best, from Sun Belt -- and maybe add top 2 Sun Belters to make CUSA 16. No "merger" though. That'd be crazy.
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I doubt we'd honestly accept that kind of league situation honestly. It would stick us in a division with schools that outside of Tech and North Texas, we have little history with (and in the case of Tech, no history since the 90's) Unless of course CUSA got a significant TV upgrade as part of the deal.
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(07-21-2015 07:07 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  I subscribe to, and enjoy -- for the most part -- the G5 Conference News Blog. But one of the posts this morning baffles me as it offers a suggestion -- seemingly recommended for serious consideration and discussion -- for the new C-USA Commissioner to enter into negotiations with the Sun Belt to merge.

See http://g5conferencenews.blogspot.com/201...nd+Talk%29

Sure, I've seen the idea of more regional conferences come up in the past, but not in this way. The blogger proposes that this is one of 4 "agenda items that the new Commissioner should begin to address on day 1."

I'm not sure that I agree with discussing a merger/consolidation of the two conferences. Yes, there are similar footprints, but I think what is most needed is stability in both conferences and giving our schools a chance to grow into their potential. For C-USA, can you imagine how solid this conference would be if schools like FIU, UTSA, ODU (to name only three of several) grow into their full potential.

With only one way game per year with a member of the West Division (or vice-versa) our structure is already regionalized to a great extent. And our basketball structure would also take a hit. We have strong BB talent on both sides of the Conference. I wouldn't want to change it.

Thoughts?

Good grief
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(07-21-2015 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Crappy basketball, low budgets and limited success=your Sun Belt football conference America!

Pardon me, but I'm not going to listen to attempted smack from a school that literally just got to join the FBS party 2 years ago.
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The idea that the Sun Belt is about to die is wishful thinking on someone's part.

EKU and Liberty would immediately jump on. NMSU all sports. Then you have Southland schools that would most likely agree to jump. Jax State would jump.

All you are doing is opening the door for an expansion of FBS again.

I don't really care to see further FBS expansion.
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(07-21-2015 01:16 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Looks good to me 03-wink 05-stirthepot

Marshall
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Old Dominion
Charlotte
Appalachian State
UAB

Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU
South Alabama
Southern Miss

All you Golden Eagle fans who can't go 5 minutes without complaining about the current state of things need to chew on the above a while.
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(07-21-2015 02:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Don't think of it as SWC Part 2, think of it as just a more regional CUSA. Nobody really cares about CUSA / AAC / SBC anyway. It's just a more regional league.... if that's what we want/need. I'm fine with how it is now though.

My point was more that while it might be better for the east coast G5 members, the central/southwest G5 members would become even more irrelevant than they are now with a more spread out C-USA. That's what was wrong with the SWC. The rest of the country could mostly ignore them, even when they were good. It would happen with this "light' version of the SWC for those schools you included.

I agree that the more eastern-based schools would probably benefit from it.
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(07-21-2015 03:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 02:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Don't think of it as SWC Part 2, think of it as just a more regional CUSA. Nobody really cares about CUSA / AAC / SBC anyway. It's just a more regional league.... if that's what we want/need. I'm fine with how it is now though.

My point was more that while it might be better for the east coast G5 members, the central/southwest G5 members would become even more irrelevant than they are now with a more spread out C-USA. That's what was wrong with the SWC. The rest of the country could mostly ignore them, even when they were good. It would happen with this "light' version of the SWC for those schools you included.

I agree that the more eastern-based schools would probably benefit from it.

I don't get what you are saying. We would be ignored because we are G5, but so would they. Why is being in the East better than being in the SW?
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(07-21-2015 02:27 PM)Artifice Wrote:  The MAC dropping down to FCS sounds plausible. We already know there is support at Akron to do so.

Ohio U would be a solid CUSA add.

Merging with the Sunbelt is never going to happen. A major shift further upstream could have CUSA raiding the Belt again for its few remaining decent programs, but that will only be after the top of CUSA (probably based on media markets) leaves for the AAC to backfill that league.

Its not just Akron. Kent State is another and I would assume Eastern Michigan and a few others are on board with the idea to. Lot of turmoil right now in the Ohio education system in terms of future funding of D-1 schools in the state. All it takes is 7 schools to vote in support of the move and the Mac will become an FCS conference.

And you are correct, merging with the Sunbelt is not an option for CUSA. We'd take anyone we want from that league. It's just a fairy tale dream for Sunbelt fans that a merger could take place.
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I think the MAC deliberations, starts the reclassifying of D1 football. Power 5 off to themselves and a new structure of G5, then FCS/1AA schollies schools and then FCS/1AAA non-schollies. Dividing the realities and aspirations of schools into four groups that reflect their true capabilities instead of three groups that poorly represent actualities.
Even if the P5 take their 70-75 or so schools (some AAC and MWC will go up, some will go down), the 60 or so G5 schools with schollies redux to say 75, with their own playoff structure (lower bowls[in todays' world] in a bracket playoff) would be a very fine version (athletically and financially [with a % CoA structure, maybe]).
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(07-21-2015 03:43 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 03:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 02:07 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Don't think of it as SWC Part 2, think of it as just a more regional CUSA. Nobody really cares about CUSA / AAC / SBC anyway. It's just a more regional league.... if that's what we want/need. I'm fine with how it is now though.

My point was more that while it might be better for the east coast G5 members, the central/southwest G5 members would become even more irrelevant than they are now with a more spread out C-USA. That's what was wrong with the SWC. The rest of the country could mostly ignore them, even when they were good. It would happen with this "light' version of the SWC for those schools you included.

I agree that the more eastern-based schools would probably benefit from it.

I don't get what you are saying. We would be ignored because we are G5, but so would they. Why is being in the East better than being in the SW?

We are mostly ignored because we are in a G5, that is a given. The primary power and fanbase in college football is east, midwest and south. The primary media that drives the publicity machine behind college football is east, midwest and south. The primary decision makers that drive issues like P5 rules, expansion and separation from the G5 are in the east, midwest and south.

Because of time zone issues and its relative "flyover country" location in comparison to the primary markets of college football, attaching to the east coast makes CUSA at least somewhat more relevant (I agree we're not very relevant overall these days, but still) than cutting ourselves off from the east would do. That is why I think the eastern G5 schools would benefit from a more eastern-oriented G5 conference realignment and the left-behinds in the southwestern part of the country would become even more irrelevant than they are now. It's just my opinion, but I have lived primarily on the east coast with the exception of college.

Many people act like the earth falls away until Las Vegas somewhere past Alabama. Not everyone, but most college football fans are only aware of Texas or A&M when they are super-good and can't be ignored, which they often can. Used to be Oklahoma and Nebraska were nationally relevant, but not nearly as much so nowadays as they used to be. Those schools leaving the Big-8 and their annual showdown was a big mistake for their fortunes, in my opinion.
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(07-21-2015 03:45 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 02:27 PM)Artifice Wrote:  The MAC dropping down to FCS sounds plausible. We already know there is support at Akron to do so.

Ohio U would be a solid CUSA add.

Merging with the Sunbelt is never going to happen. A major shift further upstream could have CUSA raiding the Belt again for its few remaining decent programs, but that will only be after the top of CUSA (probably based on media markets) leaves for the AAC to backfill that league.

Its not just Akron. Kent State is another and I would assume Eastern Michigan and a few others are on board with the idea to. Lot of turmoil right now in the Ohio education system in terms of future funding of D-1 schools in the state. All it takes is 7 schools to vote in support of the move and the Mac will become an FCS conference.

And you are correct, merging with the Sunbelt is not an option for CUSA. We'd take anyone we want from that league. It's just a fairy tale dream for Sunbelt fans that a merger could take place.

Really? Point out a SBC fan with this "fairy tale dream". Not THIS SBC fan. I like being in the conference we founded.
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(07-21-2015 03:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Crappy basketball, low budgets and limited success=your Sun Belt football conference America!

Pardon me, but I'm not going to listen to attempted smack from a school that literally just got to join the FBS party 2 years ago.

The current Sun Belt configuration is just as new as ODU so if you don't like reality go back to the Sun Belt boards and figure out which FCS school will turn you down next.
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(07-21-2015 04:43 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 03:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  Crappy basketball, low budgets and limited success=your Sun Belt football conference America!

Pardon me, but I'm not going to listen to attempted smack from a school that literally just got to join the FBS party 2 years ago.

The current Sun Belt configuration is just as new as ODU so if you don't like reality go back to the Sun Belt boards and figure out which FCS school will turn you down next.

Which is just as new as the current CUSA configuration.

You'll find out quickly that leagues don't matter much anymore. You joined CUSA...congrats, that means nothing really. You're talking to a fan of the one Sun Belt School who has never really been interested in moving over. (Though throw in some cash and we might be persuaded) You guys are really nothing more than basically the Sun Belt 2.0 now...and would be nothing more than a lateral move for most of us.
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