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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
(07-21-2015 10:19 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Or throw the AAC in too....

Conference 1

SMU - North Texas
Houston - Rice
UTSA - Texas St
Tulsa - Arkansas St
La Tech - ULM
ULL - Tulane


Conference 2

USF - UCF
FIU - FAU
Ga Southern - Ga State
UAB - Southern Miss
MTSU - Memphis
S. Alabama - Troy

Conference 3

Uconn - Temple
ECU - ODU
Navy - Cincinnati
Charlotte - App St
WKU - Marshall


* UTEP, NM State, and Idaho to MWC.


Or just leave everyone alone. It doesn't really matter.

I think this would be the best option. I do think Ga Southern and App State along with MTSU and WKU would like to be in the same conference as they are historic rivals. I know that messes up your pairings a little but it's still not horrible.
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There's a board for this mumbo-jumbo: http://csnbbs.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=637

Please take this juvenile talk over there. Thank you.
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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
I see the more realistic possibility being a breakaway airport meeting resulting in a third conference, something like Rice/UNT/Texas State/ULL/Tech in the West and USM/UAB/ASU/USA in the East. I'd like to throw Marshall, UNCC, ODU, etc. into the East instead, but I think these schools are probably happy in CUSA.
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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
As a Marshall fan, I am not happy in CUSA. Nothing against the schools in the West, but I just don't have anything in relation to the schools in Texas. I'm sure they feel the same way about us.

I would LOVE to see us break into 2 separate conferences and then still work together in some capacity. In doing so, most of the Sun Belt would be included, but we wouldn't be forced with the bottom dwellers.

For instance, an Eastern conference I would like, as opposed to the current CUSA....

Marshall
Old Dominion
WKU
MT
FAU
FIU
Charlotte
App State
Ga Southern
UAB
So Miss
James Madison (or someone that So Miss fans really want.)

I would love La Tech, but you guys seem more aligned with Texas teams.?.?
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Re: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
Not going to happen. The Sunbelt is not going to survive.

On another note, I have heard some interesting info regarding the Mac. Supposedly behind closed doors there is increasing support from many of the member schools voting to drop down as a group to FCS. Ohio supposedly is not in support of it and is looking to get out if possible. Problem is supposedly they currently dont have the season ticket base/financial support to make a move but are trying to drum up support.
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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
(07-21-2015 12:20 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Not going to happen. The Sunbelt is not going to survive.

On another note, I have heard some interesting info regarding the Mac. Supposedly behind closed doors there is increasing support from many of the member schools voting to drop down as a group to FCS. Ohio supposedly is not in support of it and is looking to get out if possible. Problem is supposedly they currently dont have the season ticket base/financial support to make a move but are trying to drum up support.


Yeah, but if they were in a conference with us, that would be a huge game for them (and us) every other year. That would have to help their sales.


I can only hope all of what you heard is true.
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(07-21-2015 12:20 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Not going to happen. The Sunbelt is not going to survive.

Yeah, the Belt is on its deathbed.
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(07-21-2015 12:37 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 12:20 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Not going to happen. The Sunbelt is not going to survive.

Yeah, the Belt is on its deathbed.

The Sun Belt will be fine as long as they don't lose any more members to other G5 conferences. If that happens most of us G5 folks will have bigger issues to worry about.
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Do you think UAB, Marshall, Rice, Southern Mississippi and UTEP would be willing to take the a hit on the television escrow dollars, and invest those dollars into the C-USA digital platform this writer suggests? I do like the idea of holding to mostly Saturday games with Fox, and developing ASN as our network (especially if ECU, SMU, Houston, UCF, Tulsa and Tulane paid for developing that digital platform).
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(07-21-2015 08:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  As an AAC fan, I see no good for CUSA or the Belt in this idea.

No need for C-USA to panic again and not be able to react to future changes because they already have too many programs in the conference.
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I've always have said that by the time the music stops & the chairs are full as far as realignment goes, you'll end up seeing a merger of SB/CUSA along the lines of the eastern teams being in 1 conference & western in another more for financial survival to cut travel costs w/ maybe whatever the eastern conference ends up being having the upper leg for bowls/tv money contracts
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(07-21-2015 01:04 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  I've always have said that by the time the music stops & the chairs are full as far as realignment goes, you'll end up seeing a merger of SB/CUSA along the lines of the eastern teams being in 1 conference & western in another more for financial survival to cut travel costs w/ maybe whatever the eastern conference ends up being having the upper leg for bowls/tv money contracts

Looks good to me 03-wink 05-stirthepot

Marshall
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Old Dominion
Charlotte
Appalachian State
UAB

Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU
South Alabama
Southern Miss
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G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
No. Please, no. I never again want to be associated with 75% of the teams in the dumpster fire of a conference.
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(07-21-2015 01:16 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(07-21-2015 01:04 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  I've always have said that by the time the music stops & the chairs are full as far as realignment goes, you'll end up seeing a merger of SB/CUSA along the lines of the eastern teams being in 1 conference & western in another more for financial survival to cut travel costs w/ maybe whatever the eastern conference ends up being having the upper leg for bowls/tv money contracts

Looks good to me 03-wink 05-stirthepot

Marshall
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Old Dominion
Charlotte
Appalachian State
UAB

Troy
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
FIU
South Alabama
Southern Miss

I think there could be a high probability that it could work it way into that. It may take a 5 or years once CUSA has the full complement of teams. At our G5 level, it would make more sense for that to happen. TV contracts not withstanding will be relatively even and still get the CFP $$.
It one of the reasons why I think the MW isn't going to expand as they could have taken Texas St instead of San Jose St. Keeps it more regional for the conference.
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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
What do you mean "proposes?" Hasn't this already basically been done with C-USA 3.1?
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Why would we give up our money in escrow dollars? I mean, its possible if that money was then paid back to us over time with higher payouts, but never expect a school to do these things out of the goodness of their hearts.
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(07-21-2015 01:38 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  No. Please, no. I never again want to be associated with 75% of the teams in the dumpster fire of a conference.

The top 2/3 of the conference isn't bad at all. It's the bottom 4 that really have a bad reputation/history. Even Georgia State has potential with it being a state school in a massive media hub. Arkansas State, ULL, Texas State, South Alabama, Georgia Southern, and Appalachian State all have good athletics programs.

I'm not for a merger, but a lot of the Sun Belt schools could help the conference, especially if tightening the geography of each division and cutting down on crossover games is the goal. The two division champions could still play each other for the football championship and a scheduling alliance could be created in basketball.
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(07-21-2015 10:19 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Or throw the AAC in too....

Conference 1

SMU - North Texas
Houston - Rice
UTSA - Texas St
Tulsa - Arkansas St
La Tech - ULM
ULL - Tulane

[Image: 150px-Swc-logo-tshof-1.jpg]

No, a thousand times no.

The problem with the old SWC, of which Rice was a founding member way back in 1914, until its death in 1996, was that pretty much no one in the rest of the country really cared.

So why would any of those schools listed above want to go back to a greatly downgraded version of what already proved to be a less than ideal conference?--and that was with schools that non-alumn fans at least followed, like Texas, A&M and Oklahoma (for a while):

from Wikipedia:

The Southwest Conference (SWC) was an NCAA Division I college athletic conference in the United States that existed from 1914 to 1996. Composed primarily of schools from Texas, at various times the conference included schools from Oklahoma and Arkansas as well.

For most of its history, the core members of the conference were Texas-based schools plus one in Arkansas, namely Baylor University, Rice University, Southern Methodist University, Texas A&M University, Texas Christian University, the University of Arkansas, and the University of Texas. After a long period of stability, Arkansas left in 1991 to join the Southeastern Conference. Five years later, the conference precipitously broke up as Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech (which had entered in 1956) combined with the members of the former Big Eight Conference to form a new powerhouse, the Big 12 Conference, while Rice, SMU, TCU, and Houston (which had entered in the 1970s) found homes in less prominent conferences.

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L. Theo Bellmont, the University of Texas athletic director sent out questionnaires to schools in Texas and neighboring states to gauge their interest as to if they would be willing to be part of and organize an athletic conference. By March 1, 1914 a number of schools had responded favorably to the idea.[2]

The first organizational meeting of the conference was set to be held on April 30, 1914. The date was changed due to the fact that representatives from every school could not make it then. It was ultimately held on May 5 and 7, 1914 at the Oriental Hotel in Dallas, Texas.[3] It was chaired by L. Theo Bellmont. Originally, Bellmont wanted Louisiana State University and the University of Mississippi to join the conference as well, but they declined to do so. The Southwest Intercollegiate Athletic Conference became an official body on December 8, 1914, at a formal meeting at the Rice Hotel in Houston.

Its early years saw fluctuation in membership; Southwestern (a comparatively smaller school) dropped out of the conference in 1916, and Southern Methodist University (SMU) joined in 1918; Texas Christian University (TCU) became a member in 1923. Rice University left the conference in 1916, only to re-join in 1918.

Phillips University{who?} was a conference member for one year (1920). Oklahoma left in 1919 to join the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association (later known as the Big Eight Conference), and was followed by Oklahoma A&M in 1925. However, the series between Texas and Oklahoma would continue as an out-of-conference matchup in the annual Red River Rivalry game held in Dallas. From 1925 until 1991, the University of Arkansas would be the only conference member not located within the state of Texas.

Texas Technological College (now Texas Tech University) joined the SWC in 1958, followed by the University of Houston for the 1976 season (Houston won the SWC football championship in its first season in the league).

Beginning in the late 1930s and lasting until 1995, the Southwest Conference Champion automatically received an invitation as the "host" team in the Cotton Bowl Classic game on New Year's Day in Dallas, Texas. Opponents usually were the runners-up from the Big 8 Conference or the Southeastern Conference, although independents Penn State and Notre Dame were also often featured. From the 1940s onward, the Cotton Bowl Classic was counted among the four major bowl games, and often had national championship implications.
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Don't think of it as SWC Part 2, think of it as just a more regional CUSA. Nobody really cares about CUSA / AAC / SBC anyway. It's just a more regional league.... if that's what we want/need. I'm fine with how it is now though.
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RE: G5 Blogger Proposes Merger between C-USA and Sun Belt
(07-21-2015 09:32 AM)Noodles Wrote:  Our per-team payments would plummet, wouldn't they? How would we make more money per team by adding schools that are being paid a tiny fraction of what we are currently getting. Even if our TV contract takes a nosedive, we'd still be far ahead of the Belt. A merger would do what for us, exactly, financially speaking?

Not exactly. The Sun Belt has a terrible TV Contract because the contract was agreed too years ago when we were a terrible league with bad teams. (Most of those so called bad teams now inhabit Southern Miss Conference schedule)

There is no guarantee the SBC's new TV contract five years from now will be that bad, nor is there no guarantee that CUSA will be able to match what they got back when the league included most of what is now the AAC.

If both league's dissolved and formed geographic based leagues, both could then renegotiate their TV contracts, and the value of the league would be left up to the Networks.
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