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(03-14-2018 03:46 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

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(03-12-2018 07:55 PM)geef Wrote:  Question for those back thataway. What's the word with Terry Durham of Woodward? He's been destroying teams in the postseason, yet he's unsigned. I read somewhere - and of course I can't find it now - that he's still being recruited for both football and basketball, and apparently UC is in play. Does anyone know?

Best case is prep school. JUCO more likely...

I was just asking all the former bulldogs player when last time player went D1 in basketball. Over 20+ yrs ago when Mick still was assistant, Mike Peek went to Louisville. Mick been the *****!!!

What does this even mean?

Mick, coached at Woodward right before UC. During his time at Woodward, players was going D1 left and right. Flint, johnson, peek brothers and couple other guys. Since he left Woodward hasnt had ONE D1 basketball player.

Doesn't that time also coincide with the decentralization of CPS school districting, decline in population of CPS schools, and the rapid expansion of Fairfield, Lakota, and Mason schools? That's as much to do with talent being at schools than anything else. Look at Toledo and Cleveland Public Schools for further evidence of that. All of the good athletes will gravitate to one metro public school leaving smoking heaps in the wake of the others...and that's if they can get through the private school recruitment cycle.

I think Mick was one of Jim Leon's assistants. My memory was he first took the video coordinator job at Uc. Could be wrong, cobwebs, alcohol and all.

(03-14-2018 05:22 PM)dsquare Wrote:  I think Mick was one of Jim Leon's assistants. My memory was he first took the video coordinator job at Uc. Could be wrong, cobwebs, alcohol and all.

Without Flint there is no Mick at UC!!! I always wondered why he doesn't hang around team or Mick.

Without Randy Ayers there was no Damon Flint at UC.

(03-14-2018 04:09 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:46 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 02:02 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 08:02 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  Best case is prep school. JUCO more likely...

I was just asking all the former bulldogs player when last time player went D1 in basketball. Over 20+ yrs ago when Mick still was assistant, Mike Peek went to Louisville. Mick been the *****!!!

What does this even mean?

Mick, coached at Woodward right before UC. During his time at Woodward, players was going D1 left and right. Flint, johnson, peek brothers and couple other guys. Since he left Woodward hasnt had ONE D1 basketball player.

Doesn't that time also coincide with the decentralization of CPS school districting, decline in population of CPS schools, and the rapid expansion of Fairfield, Lakota, and Mason schools? That's as much to do with talent being at schools than anything else. Look at Toledo and Cleveland Public Schools for further evidence of that. All of the good athletes will gravitate to one metro public school leaving smoking heaps in the wake of the others...and that's if they can get through the private school recruitment cycle.

Outside of going to Princeton inner city kids stay at schools in their district for most part. Fairfield, lakota and Mason more so than not are getting kids out princeton, mt healthy, colerain districts. Keith Jackson last inner city kid that I remember that went private school and he went to Purcell. LaSalle, st x, moeller don't have CPS district kids on their teams.

(03-14-2018 05:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Without Randy Ayers there was no Damon Flint at UC.

hahaha who you think was with Flint on all the visits???

(03-14-2018 05:54 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Without Randy Ayers there was no Damon Flint at UC.

hahaha who you think was with Flint on all the visits???

whats even crazier is who wanted to replace Ayers!!!

(03-14-2018 05:52 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:09 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:46 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 02:02 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  I was just asking all the former bulldogs player when last time player went D1 in basketball. Over 20+ yrs ago when Mick still was assistant, Mike Peek went to Louisville. Mick been the *****!!!

What does this even mean?

Mick, coached at Woodward right before UC. During his time at Woodward, players was going D1 left and right. Flint, johnson, peek brothers and couple other guys. Since he left Woodward hasnt had ONE D1 basketball player.

Doesn't that time also coincide with the decentralization of CPS school districting, decline in population of CPS schools, and the rapid expansion of Fairfield, Lakota, and Mason schools? That's as much to do with talent being at schools than anything else. Look at Toledo and Cleveland Public Schools for further evidence of that. All of the good athletes will gravitate to one metro public school leaving smoking heaps in the wake of the others...and that's if they can get through the private school recruitment cycle.

Outside of going to Princeton inner city kids stay at schools in their district for most part. Fairfield, lakota and Mason more so than not are getting kids out princeton, mt healthy, colerain districts. Keith Jackson last inner city kid that I remember that went private school and he went to Purcell. LaSalle, st x, moeller don't have CPS district kids on their teams.

I'm saying that you see quite a bit of cream-cropping in urban districts, especially now that most are open enrollment within district lines. That basically means that most will gravitate to a single high school in order to garner more exposure...in Cincinnati, I would probably say that's Winton Woods (even though I do understand that it's outside of CPS) and for a while before it was NCH. The community dynamics and SES of those areas in general make that a natural moving ground for stronger athletes. The same dynamic holds true in Toledo (Whitmer HS), Cleveland (the Heights/Euclid), and Columbus (Northland). Now many other cities also have private schools pilfering the ranks, but the same happens in every large city...there's less talent spread throughout a city anymore, it tends to concentrate at one school.

Essentially, now you'll see one to two schools really rise to the top by getting all of the players due to some positive momentum as opposed to what was happening in the 60's-early 90's before open enrollment initiatives with many teams having good players

(03-14-2018 06:43 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

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(03-14-2018 04:09 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:46 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:29 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  What does this even mean?

Mick, coached at Woodward right before UC. During his time at Woodward, players was going D1 left and right. Flint, johnson, peek brothers and couple other guys. Since he left Woodward hasnt had ONE D1 basketball player.

Doesn't that time also coincide with the decentralization of CPS school districting, decline in population of CPS schools, and the rapid expansion of Fairfield, Lakota, and Mason schools? That's as much to do with talent being at schools than anything else. Look at Toledo and Cleveland Public Schools for further evidence of that. All of the good athletes will gravitate to one metro public school leaving smoking heaps in the wake of the others...and that's if they can get through the private school recruitment cycle.

Outside of going to Princeton inner city kids stay at schools in their district for most part. Fairfield, lakota and Mason more so than not are getting kids out princeton, mt healthy, colerain districts. Keith Jackson last inner city kid that I remember that went private school and he went to Purcell. LaSalle, st x, moeller don't have CPS district kids on their teams.

I'm saying that you see quite a bit of cream-cropping in urban districts, especially now that most are open enrollment within district lines. That basically means that most will gravitate to a single high school in order to garner more exposure...in Cincinnati, I would probably say that's Winton Woods (even though I do understand that it's outside of CPS) and for a while before it was NCH. The community dynamics and SES of those areas in general make that a natural moving ground for stronger athletes. The same dynamic holds true in Toledo (Whitmer HS), Cleveland (the Heights/Euclid), and Columbus (Northland). Now many other cities also have private schools pilfering the ranks, but the same happens in every large city...there's less talent spread throughout a city anymore, it tends to concentrate at one school.

Unless your family has some $$$ you stuck in CPS. I personally never seen inner city kid(basketball) leave CPS for suburb school or private. Kinda crazy, biggest kid to leave CPS for another district was Mike Daniels leaving Woodward for Princeton.

(03-14-2018 06:51 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 06:43 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:52 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:09 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:46 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Mick, coached at Woodward right before UC. During his time at Woodward, players was going D1 left and right. Flint, johnson, peek brothers and couple other guys. Since he left Woodward hasnt had ONE D1 basketball player.

Doesn't that time also coincide with the decentralization of CPS school districting, decline in population of CPS schools, and the rapid expansion of Fairfield, Lakota, and Mason schools? That's as much to do with talent being at schools than anything else. Look at Toledo and Cleveland Public Schools for further evidence of that. All of the good athletes will gravitate to one metro public school leaving smoking heaps in the wake of the others...and that's if they can get through the private school recruitment cycle.

Outside of going to Princeton inner city kids stay at schools in their district for most part. Fairfield, lakota and Mason more so than not are getting kids out princeton, mt healthy, colerain districts. Keith Jackson last inner city kid that I remember that went private school and he went to Purcell. LaSalle, st x, moeller don't have CPS district kids on their teams.

I'm saying that you see quite a bit of cream-cropping in urban districts, especially now that most are open enrollment within district lines. That basically means that most will gravitate to a single high school in order to garner more exposure...in Cincinnati, I would probably say that's Winton Woods (even though I do understand that it's outside of CPS) and for a while before it was NCH. The community dynamics and SES of those areas in general make that a natural moving ground for stronger athletes. The same dynamic holds true in Toledo (Whitmer HS), Cleveland (the Heights/Euclid), and Columbus (Northland). Now many other cities also have private schools pilfering the ranks, but the same happens in every large city...there's less talent spread throughout a city anymore, it tends to concentrate at one school.

Unless your family has some $$$ you stuck in CPS. I personally never seen inner city kid(basketball) leave CPS for suburb school or private. Kinda crazy, biggest kid to leave CPS for another district was Mike Daniels leaving Woodward for Princeton.

With the apartment situation in both Colerain and WW, I don't think it would take any money at all...in fact, re-population patterns of low SES individuals in urban cores is part of my current research, it happens a lot more than you would think.

Winton Woods, Princeton, Lockland, NCH are all open enrollment. No district address needed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinn.../448844002

Did we ever shoot show any interest in him. Had offers and was recruited by Iowa (commited), IU, XU, Butler, and Penn St. Averaged 23 points a game and shot 48% from 3. Averaged 29 points a game in the state tournament and won the state championship.

Jermaine Harris, possibly a take? Showed interest earlier before committing to RI with Hurley. An Under Armor AAU team. Top 100 PF 4* from same area of Maryland as Hardnett.

(03-22-2018 05:46 PM)jarr Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinn.../448844002

Did we ever shoot show any interest in him. Had offers and was recruited by Iowa (commited), IU, XU, Butler, and Penn St. Averaged 23 points a game and shot 48% from 3. Averaged 29 points a game in the state tournament and won the state championship.

His shooting percentage was to high, and deflection percentage to low for our coaching staff.

(03-22-2018 09:51 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 05:46 PM)jarr Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinn.../448844002

Did we ever shoot show any interest in him. Had offers and was recruited by Iowa (commited), IU, XU, Butler, and Penn St. Averaged 23 points a game and shot 48% from 3. Averaged 29 points a game in the state tournament and won the state championship.

His shooting percentage was to high, and deflection percentage to low for our coaching staff.

Exactly. Mick's not going after anyone who shoots the ball like that.

(03-22-2018 11:22 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:51 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 05:46 PM)jarr Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinn.../448844002

Did we ever shoot show any interest in him. Had offers and was recruited by Iowa (commited), IU, XU, Butler, and Penn St. Averaged 23 points a game and shot 48% from 3. Averaged 29 points a game in the state tournament and won the state championship.

His shooting percentage was to high, and deflection percentage to low for our coaching staff.

Exactly. Mick's not going after anyone who shoots the ball like that.

Also, even though he plays for Cov Cath, he is a Cincy resident and born and raised here. Would have been nice to have seen Mick at least give him a look. Looks like all the other local schools did.

(03-22-2018 11:44 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:22 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:51 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 05:46 PM)jarr Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinn.../448844002

Did we ever shoot show any interest in him. Had offers and was recruited by Iowa (commited), IU, XU, Butler, and Penn St. Averaged 23 points a game and shot 48% from 3. Averaged 29 points a game in the state tournament and won the state championship.

His shooting percentage was to high, and deflection percentage to low for our coaching staff.

Exactly. Mick's not going after anyone who shoots the ball like that.

Also, even though he plays for Cov Cath, he is a Cincy resident and born and raised here. Would have been nice to have seen Mick at least give him a look. Looks like all the other local schools did.

This is my concern. We all know there will be decent players in the Tri-state who don't have the skill set to play high major basketball. Those who do should at least be putting UC on their short lists. Apples to oranges I know, but Fickell has Ohio kids regularly listing UC who will eventually go play at top tier P5's. To me, it's about cultivating relationships in the area and building the image of the program. And right now, we should be a lot higher profile basketball destination than football.

Granted, some local greats always want to get away from home. But watching these kids go to Michigan, Syracuse, OSU--even Iowa, is disheartening. I'm beginning to believe anecdotal reports that top tier kids just don't want to play for Mick. If so, UC will continue to have a problem getting out of the first weekend in March. Talent has to figure in that equation to one degree or another.

(03-22-2018 08:56 PM)jarr Wrote:  Jermaine Harris, possibly a take? Showed interest earlier before committing to RI with Hurley. An Under Armor AAU team. Top 100 PF 4* from same area of Maryland as Hardnett.

I wish. We need some difference makers / more high end talent.

in general, it is disappointing to look at the recruits going to other schools who aren't as established as us.

we just had our best season in over a decade, top 10 all season and have a brand new arena. can't we get 1 stud?

(03-23-2018 12:35 PM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  in general, it is disappointing to look at the recruits going to other schools who aren't as established as us.

we just had our best season in over a decade, top 10 all season and have a brand new arena. can't we get 1 stud?

As long as we have Mick, we know what we're getting every year.

Tide goes in, tide goes out.