IF all that is true, I'd bet on UCF and BYU

(07-04-2015 04:49 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 02:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Some of you place too much attention to all these Twitter and blog posts and get too excited when your school is mentioned and go on the attack when is not.
I'm going to suggest we create ONE thread for all these " news" so we don't have 100 of them.

Thank you.

This is probably the most reasonable post in all of the realignment threads. Cubanbull has always been a high quality guy.

I kinda think your a high quality guy old tiger. Happy 4th!

(07-04-2015 05:41 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  IF all that is true, I'd bet on UCF and BYU

I think it will be Tulane and UC, UCF is here for the stay!

(07-04-2015 11:05 PM)however Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 05:41 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  IF all that is true, I'd bet on UCF and BYU

I think it will be Tulane and UC, UCF is here for the stay!

With over 250,000 alumni and growing each year, and being the 2nd largest school in the nation, there is simply too much money to be made over time by pimping UCF. Remember this isn't about UCF, this is about the $$$$$$.

From the outside I never viewed UCF as a big time athletic department. UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have always come across as the top overall programs due to their ability support multiple revenue generating sports. Add in Houston and you have the four schools that probably have the all around best facilities and fan bases. ECU and UCF seem football centric which is a good thing but both have direction stigma and poor basketball. USF was suppose to be the next big thing but they fell off the map for a variety of reasons. Temple is handicapped by their lack of an on campus stadium. If you look at the CLC merchandising ranking Cincinnati, UConn UCF, and ECU are all ranked in the top 60. That tells me those brands should in the power five.

I will take his idea and love it. esp the part where they keep P5 status even without KU, OK, and maybe UT. Actually that part makes sense as bowl and playoff deals are in place 6 to 12 years I think. If those 3 did leave, It would be good for the schools left behind, as B12 would need 2 to 4 more fairly soon.

You could end up with a pretty good least of these P5 conf, Where Houston, UCF, and 2 to 4 of BYU, USF, Cincy, ECU, Memphis, UConn also find homes.

(07-05-2015 07:49 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From the outside I never viewed UCF as a big time athletic department. UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have always come across as the top overall programs due to their ability support multiple revenue generating sports. Add in Houston and you have the four schools that probably have the all around best facilities and fan bases. ECU and UCF seem football centric which is a good thing but both have direction stigma and poor basketball. USF was suppose to be the next big thing but they fell off the map for a variety of reasons. Temple is handicapped by their lack of an on campus stadium. If you look at the CLC merchandising ranking Cincinnati, UConn UCF, and ECU are all ranked in the top 60. That tells me those brands should in the power five.

I suspect if you did a little research on UCF your opinion would change. They are the only school EVER to build both an OCS and Basketball Arena at the same time, the only school to EVER go thru 4 separate football divisions, having success at each level, and the youngest University to EVER compete in a BCS bowl. Any "directional/locational" stigma can be overcome by on field success, besides that is an artificial label used by insecure fans to attempt to marginalize another institution. Despite already being the 2nd largest University in the nation, UCF is still growing developing a large downtown Orlando campus, along with their new developing medical city along with their focus on ALL athletics (not just football), as they've won more regular season and tournament AAC championships than any other school. In a recent statewide poll UCF has tied Miami in statewide popularity as the third most popular school in the state of Florida. I like UCF's current trajectory. As to your belief as to the top 4, compare facilities (btw Memphis does not have an OCS). Your opinion is yours to have however, thankfully expansion decisions will be made by persons who have actually done their research.

(07-05-2015 08:22 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 07:49 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From the outside I never viewed UCF as a big time athletic department. UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have always come across as the top overall programs due to their ability support multiple revenue generating sports. Add in Houston and you have the four schools that probably have the all around best facilities and fan bases. ECU and UCF seem football centric which is a good thing but both have direction stigma and poor basketball. USF was suppose to be the next big thing but they fell off the map for a variety of reasons. Temple is handicapped by their lack of an on campus stadium. If you look at the CLC merchandising ranking Cincinnati, UConn UCF, and ECU are all ranked in the top 60. That tells me those brands should in the power five.

I suspect if you did a little research on UCF your opinion would change. They are the only school EVER to build both an OCS and Basketball Arena at the same time, the only school to EVER go thru 4 separate football divisions, having success at each level, and the youngest University to EVER compete in a BCS bowl. Any "directional/locational" stigma can be overcome by on field success, besides that is an artificial label used by insecure fans to attempt to marginalize another institution. Despite already being the 2nd largest University in the nation, UCF is still growing developing a large downtown Orlando campus, along with their new developing medical city along with their focus on ALL athletics (not just football), as they've won more regular season and tournament AAC championships than any other school. I like UCF's current trajectory. As to your belief as to the top 4, compare facilities (btw Memphis does not have an OCS). Your opinion is yours to have however, thankfully expansion decisions will be made by persons who have actually done their research.

UCF is on the rise. I did list UCF as one of the four top brands in the American according to the CLC. (Yes I know not all schools are with the CLC). Right now is UCF is a asset to the American and could be an asset to the right power five conference. Personally I believe the Big XII needs to grab four from the east, UCF, UC, Memphis, and Houston. Sorry UConn fans, but the ACC needs to wake up and realize how much an asset the Huskies would be to that league.

Building the American is a great option too. As long as everyone continues to invest the entire conference will rise up.

Bearcat, I think that will end up happening, just going to happen in 2 to 3 steps. First they need 12, who ever those 2 are, Need #s not to prevent raid, but for champ game short term, and #s after first raid long term. If things go down close to his predict, Best deal for conf may be to go to 12, and 3 to 5 years later lose OLK and Kansas, reload again. Then have UT go to ACC along with ND, Or UT and 1 more to Pac. And add 1 or 2 more. then get B12 network up and running.

I can understand the Houston folk's excitement about the Sittler tweets, but the Flugaur business is ridiculous. The guy is no more reputable than the Dude. As a matter of fact, some have alleged that he is affiliated with the Dude.

(07-05-2015 08:31 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 08:22 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 07:49 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From the outside I never viewed UCF as a big time athletic department. UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have always come across as the top overall programs due to their ability support multiple revenue generating sports. Add in Houston and you have the four schools that probably have the all around best facilities and fan bases. ECU and UCF seem football centric which is a good thing but both have direction stigma and poor basketball. USF was suppose to be the next big thing but they fell off the map for a variety of reasons. Temple is handicapped by their lack of an on campus stadium. If you look at the CLC merchandising ranking Cincinnati, UConn UCF, and ECU are all ranked in the top 60. That tells me those brands should in the power five.

I suspect if you did a little research on UCF your opinion would change. They are the only school EVER to build both an OCS and Basketball Arena at the same time, the only school to EVER go thru 4 separate football divisions, having success at each level, and the youngest University to EVER compete in a BCS bowl. Any "directional/locational" stigma can be overcome by on field success, besides that is an artificial label used by insecure fans to attempt to marginalize another institution. Despite already being the 2nd largest University in the nation, UCF is still growing developing a large downtown Orlando campus, along with their new developing medical city along with their focus on ALL athletics (not just football), as they've won more regular season and tournament AAC championships than any other school. I like UCF's current trajectory. As to your belief as to the top 4, compare facilities (btw Memphis does not have an OCS). Your opinion is yours to have however, thankfully expansion decisions will be made by persons who have actually done their research.

UCF is on the rise. I did list UCF as one of the four top brands in the American according to the CLC. (Yes I know not all schools are with the CLC). Right now is UCF is a asset to the American and could be an asset to the right power five conference. Personally I believe the Big XII needs to grab four from the east, UCF, UC, Memphis, and Houston. Sorry UConn fans, but the ACC needs to wake up and realize how much an asset the Huskies would be to that league.

Building the American is a great option too. As long as everyone continues to invest the entire conference will rise up.

Agreed. btw, I think my post came off as more judgmental than intended.

(07-05-2015 07:49 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From the outside I never viewed UCF as a big time athletic department. UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have always come across as the top overall programs due to their ability support multiple revenue generating sports. Add in Houston and you have the four schools that probably have the all around best facilities and fan bases. ECU and UCF seem football centric which is a good thing but both have direction stigma and poor basketball. USF was suppose to be the next big thing but they fell off the map for a variety of reasons. Temple is handicapped by their lack of an on campus stadium. If you look at the CLC merchandising ranking Cincinnati, UConn UCF, and ECU are all ranked in the top 60. That tells me those brands should in the power five.

You are correct, UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have the highest athletic budgets, with UConn and Cincy including a larger share of aac distributions. The BigXII averages 58,000 people per game. Memphis is not scrambling to build or enlarge our facilities....we can seat 60,000 for a football game and 18,000 for basketball....we're ready to go now. ECU averaging 45k per game is great, But with a weak athletic budget and their location...Are they a good fit for BigXII ? UCF @ 38k and Mphs @34k are really close followed by Cincy and Houston at 29 and 28K. Does Mphs BBall and geographic location make us a better fit? Idk, nor really care if we continue to grow, win championships, and finish in top 25, we will be just fine.

(07-05-2015 07:49 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From the outside I never viewed UCF as a big time athletic department. UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have always come across as the top overall programs due to their ability support multiple revenue generating sports.

Memphis is doing better...but the commitment is recent. If you doubt me on that Go to you tube and pull up Tommy West last press conference.


Memphis would be a good addition to the Big 12.

Houston as one of the best fanbases? Do you see their home basketball games? Also 28k in the first year of their brand new stadium doesn't really impress me either. Don't get me wrong Temple has a lot of work to do in regards to football attendence even though we might lead the conference in football attendence next season.

What kind of crazy world do you live in where temple would lead the AAC in fb attendance

(07-05-2015 02:26 PM)Temple26 Wrote:  Houston as one of the best fanbases? Do you see their home basketball games? Also 28k in the first year of their brand new stadium doesn't really impress me either. Don't get me wrong Temple has a lot of work to do in regards to football attendence even though we might lead the conference in football attendence next season.

Uggghhhhhhh! Tony Levine, why do you continue to haunt me!
Man, that was a HORRIBLE hire. It has given everyone the same ammo against us.
Bush's offense could not punch its way out of a paper bag and Levine gave him the job twice!
Lost the Tx State in game 1
Lost opening game against middling UTSA
Lost Homecoming Game to horrible Tulane.
Houston IS a bandwagon town and Tony burned the wagon. That is why 28k

(07-05-2015 09:48 AM)nastar36 Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 07:49 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  From the outside I never viewed UCF as a big time athletic department. UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have always come across as the top overall programs due to their ability support multiple revenue generating sports. Add in Houston and you have the four schools that probably have the all around best facilities and fan bases. ECU and UCF seem football centric which is a good thing but both have direction stigma and poor basketball. USF was suppose to be the next big thing but they fell off the map for a variety of reasons. Temple is handicapped by their lack of an on campus stadium. If you look at the CLC merchandising ranking Cincinnati, UConn UCF, and ECU are all ranked in the top 60. That tells me those brands should in the power five.

You are correct, UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis have the highest athletic budgets, with UConn and Cincy including a larger share of aac distributions. The BigXII averages 58,000 people per game. Memphis is not scrambling to build or enlarge our facilities....we can seat 60,000 for a football game and 18,000 for basketball....we're ready to go now. ECU averaging 45k per game is great, But with a weak athletic budget and their location...Are they a good fit for BigXII ? UCF @ 38k and Mphs @34k are really close followed by Cincy and Houston at 29 and 28K. Does Mphs BBall and geographic location make us a better fit? Idk, nor really care if we continue to grow, win championships, and finish in top 25, we will be just fine.

What is your 5-7 year average vs UCF attendance? I'm guessing at least 6-7k lower. We have been steady between upper 30k to lower 40k average since 2007. Basketball isn't close obviously. Memphis is definitely a legit candidate I will admit.

Memphis budget is #55 at 50.2 million
UCF budget is #56 at 49.7 million

Doubt budget will be the difference of candidates

(07-05-2015 04:05 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  What kind of crazy world do you live in where temple would lead the AAC in fb attendance

They play Notre Dame and PSU at home this year. If both those games sellout and we get 20,000 for the rest we will end up with a 40,000 average. Considering the other 5 games will probably bring more than 20,000 I'll say we will be above 40k and maybe higher then your 45k last season. Beleive me Temple wouldn't be close to your average any other year and that is why I said we have ways to go with our Fball attendence despite us maybe leading the conference in attendence next season.

(07-04-2015 12:47 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  TV really does not choose conference members. It may weigh in, but ESPN doesn't have that kind of power, believe it or not.

Didn't BC or another similar team come out and admit it was ESPN that drove the latest ACC expansion and poaching of the Big East? The AD I think quickly retracted that statement and claimed it wasn't true or something.

(07-05-2015 05:31 PM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 12:47 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  TV really does not choose conference members. It may weigh in, but ESPN doesn't have that kind of power, believe it or not.

Didn't BC or another similar team come out and admit it was ESPN that drove the latest ACC expansion and poaching of the Big East? The AD I think quickly retracted that statement and claimed it wasn't true or something.

More money is made for most p5 programs with tv revenue vs ticket revenue + booster revenue. Yes, tv is the most important decision makers.