(07-02-2015 12:11 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:51 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  NC State:

https://news.ncsu.edu/2014/11/philanthropy-400/

http://www.nacda.com/sports/naadd/spec-r...14aad.html

NC State has grown their Athletic budget from about 39 Million in 2009, to now over 70 Million!


However, one thing I forgot about was the grant of rights where they gave up their broadcast rights until 2027. This might keep them and VT from the SEC table. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

All contracts are breakable. Lawyers write them, lawyers can work around them. Besides, they throw $10-$20m at the ACC and that contract will disappear. There is always a way out.

As the old judge would say, every contract can be broken, only thing is how much it is going to cost to do so.

(07-02-2015 12:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:34 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:51 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  NC State:

https://news.ncsu.edu/2014/11/philanthropy-400/

http://www.nacda.com/sports/naadd/spec-r...14aad.html

NC State has grown their Athletic budget from about 39 Million in 2009, to now over 70 Million!


However, one thing I forgot about was the grant of rights where they gave up their broadcast rights until 2027. This might keep them and VT from the SEC table. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

Any team in the sec can go into North Carolina right now and recruit whoever they want, the same cannot be said about oklahoma and north texas. Nc state brings nothing to the table that is important to the SEC... At least nothing over OU and OSU.

Nothing?? Guess you just didn't even read what I wrote.

Nothing? If OU/OSU aren't needed to raise penetration of the SEC network in Texas, then VT/NC State bring nearly 7 times what those two bring in terms of cash flow? Didn't you say that the SEC wants the $? Is not ESPN a consideration and what they think? Where is the money?

The SEC can walk into Texas (where their SEC network is already widely carried) and where they already have a team and recruit just fine now to. The SEC programs have great National coverage/following , they don't really need to be in OK to get players from TX. Granted it would help, I'm not saying recruiting isn't a consideration, but the other South East states have plenty of talent.

You are going to burn two spots to get that?

It's about the money they have, the facilities, the strength of the program, the national brand and if your brand raises or lowers the SEC brand. You are s ting like ou and OSU don't have money. They have the money, the market, the brand, the facilities, and the actual capability of fielding teams that can compete.

(07-02-2015 02:32 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:34 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:51 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  NC State:

https://news.ncsu.edu/2014/11/philanthropy-400/

http://www.nacda.com/sports/naadd/spec-r...14aad.html

NC State has grown their Athletic budget from about 39 Million in 2009, to now over 70 Million!


However, one thing I forgot about was the grant of rights where they gave up their broadcast rights until 2027. This might keep them and VT from the SEC table. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

Any team in the sec can go into North Carolina right now and recruit whoever they want, the same cannot be said about oklahoma and north texas. Nc state brings nothing to the table that is important to the SEC... At least nothing over OU and OSU.

Nothing?? Guess you just didn't even read what I wrote.

Nothing? If OU/OSU aren't needed to raise penetration of the SEC network in Texas, then VT/NC State bring nearly 7 times what those two bring in terms of cash flow? Didn't you say that the SEC wants the $? Is not ESPN a consideration and what they think? Where is the money?

The SEC can walk into Texas (where their SEC network is already widely carried) and where they already have a team and recruit just fine now to. The SEC programs have great National coverage/following , they don't really need to be in OK to get players from TX. Granted it would help, I'm not saying recruiting isn't a consideration, but the other South East states have plenty of talent.

You are going to burn two spots to get that?

It's about the money they have, the facilities, the strength of the program, the national brand and if your brand raises or lowers the SEC brand. You are s ting like ou and OSU don't have money. They have the money, the market, the brand, the facilities, and the actual capability of fielding teams that can compete.

yes, THEY have money. I don't see the SEC being to interested in how much money the University already has, but rather what they can do for the SEC. Nobody from OK is going to give to the SEC fund, other than entry fees. It makes no difference how much money they have really.

The SEC doesn't need any help in strength.

The SEC is already the biggest Brand in college sports.

Being able to compete is important for earning bowl money and producing revenue shares in basketball etc I grant you. Give VT and NC State SEC recruiting power and see what happens.

More football talent in the South East than the west imop.

They are great programs, but outside of TX - they might not help the SEC Network much. At least not as far as monthly cash flow goes. Again, I see THAT as the key to them seriously being considered. Are they needed to raise viewers in Texas? What % of Texas's 27 Million population are they going to reach that aren't already being reached? I don't know the answer. Adding two schools from the same state that produce minimum subscriptions doesn't seem to be the best business decision, especially when it means they will get an equal share of all the subscriptions already in place. Might be hard to get voted in if they are going to pull more money than they generate?

I just think that this money from this network is driving the ship. More than the history, respect and endowment of a particular university. But maybe I'm wrong.

I suppose both are good arguments, time will tell I guess.

Maryland had to give up $32 million in ACC monies to get to the B1G after they were bound to a $50 million exit fee (that they voted against). Any ACC team that leaves will have to give up a lot more now that their rights are in the league's hands til 2027.

(07-02-2015 03:05 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  Maryland had to give up $32 million in ACC monies to get to the B1G after they were bound to a $50 million exit fee (that they voted against). Any ACC team that leaves will have to give up a lot more now that their rights are in the league's hands til 2027.

Yea, I think this has made the ACC pretty stable. The Big 12 seems to be anything but.

Ultimately, the only way I see UTexas not ending up on an island, is to "sell" the LHN to the Big 12 and roll it over to "The Big 12 Network"

(07-02-2015 02:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:32 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:34 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:51 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  NC State:

https://news.ncsu.edu/2014/11/philanthropy-400/

http://www.nacda.com/sports/naadd/spec-r...14aad.html

NC State has grown their Athletic budget from about 39 Million in 2009, to now over 70 Million!


However, one thing I forgot about was the grant of rights where they gave up their broadcast rights until 2027. This might keep them and VT from the SEC table. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ights-deal

Any team in the sec can go into North Carolina right now and recruit whoever they want, the same cannot be said about oklahoma and north texas. Nc state brings nothing to the table that is important to the SEC... At least nothing over OU and OSU.

Nothing?? Guess you just didn't even read what I wrote.

Nothing? If OU/OSU aren't needed to raise penetration of the SEC network in Texas, then VT/NC State bring nearly 7 times what those two bring in terms of cash flow? Didn't you say that the SEC wants the $? Is not ESPN a consideration and what they think? Where is the money?

The SEC can walk into Texas (where their SEC network is already widely carried) and where they already have a team and recruit just fine now to. The SEC programs have great National coverage/following , they don't really need to be in OK to get players from TX. Granted it would help, I'm not saying recruiting isn't a consideration, but the other South East states have plenty of talent.

You are going to burn two spots to get that?

It's about the money they have, the facilities, the strength of the program, the national brand and if your brand raises or lowers the SEC brand. You are s ting like ou and OSU don't have money. They have the money, the market, the brand, the facilities, and the actual capability of fielding teams that can compete.

yes, THEY have money. I don't see the SEC being to interested in how much money the University already has, but rather what they can do for the SEC. Nobody from OK is going to give to the SEC fund, other than entry fees. It makes no difference how much money they have really.

The SEC doesn't need any help in strength.

The SEC is already the biggest Brand in college sports.

Being able to compete is important for earning bowl money and producing revenue shares in basketball etc I grant you. Give VT and NC State SEC recruiting power and see what happens.

More football talent in the South East than the west imop.

They are great programs, but outside of TX - they might not help the SEC Network much. At least not as far as monthly cash flow goes. Again, I see THAT as the key to them seriously being considered. Are they needed to raise viewers in Texas? What % of Texas's 27 Million population are they going to reach that aren't already being reached? I don't know the answer. Adding two schools from the same state that produce minimum subscriptions doesn't seem to be the best business decision, especially when it means they will get an equal share of all the subscriptions already in place. Might be hard to get voted in if they are going to pull more money than they generate?

I just think that this money from this network is driving the ship. More than the history, respect and endowment of a particular university. But maybe I'm wrong.

I suppose both are good arguments, time will tell I guess.

There are a lot of schools that get the invite before nc state. What has nc state done with that 70 million? Beat GS and Richmond by a point? Go 3-9? Barely beat old dominion? This is so left field... You must be extremely bias to them or something. I could almost buy Virginia tech but nc state isn't getting a sniff of the SEC. Give anyone sec recruiting power and sec money and see what happens but the sec didn't become what they are by being a charity, they have brought in schools that have helped make them what they are. Nc state instantly hurts the SEC brand. Florida state would be the first one they approach if they went towards the east.

(07-02-2015 03:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:32 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:34 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Any team in the sec can go into North Carolina right now and recruit whoever they want, the same cannot be said about oklahoma and north texas. Nc state brings nothing to the table that is important to the SEC... At least nothing over OU and OSU.

Nothing?? Guess you just didn't even read what I wrote.

Nothing? If OU/OSU aren't needed to raise penetration of the SEC network in Texas, then VT/NC State bring nearly 7 times what those two bring in terms of cash flow? Didn't you say that the SEC wants the $? Is not ESPN a consideration and what they think? Where is the money?

The SEC can walk into Texas (where their SEC network is already widely carried) and where they already have a team and recruit just fine now to. The SEC programs have great National coverage/following , they don't really need to be in OK to get players from TX. Granted it would help, I'm not saying recruiting isn't a consideration, but the other South East states have plenty of talent.

You are going to burn two spots to get that?

It's about the money they have, the facilities, the strength of the program, the national brand and if your brand raises or lowers the SEC brand. You are s ting like ou and OSU don't have money. They have the money, the market, the brand, the facilities, and the actual capability of fielding teams that can compete.

yes, THEY have money. I don't see the SEC being to interested in how much money the University already has, but rather what they can do for the SEC. Nobody from OK is going to give to the SEC fund, other than entry fees. It makes no difference how much money they have really.

The SEC doesn't need any help in strength.

The SEC is already the biggest Brand in college sports.

Being able to compete is important for earning bowl money and producing revenue shares in basketball etc I grant you. Give VT and NC State SEC recruiting power and see what happens.

More football talent in the South East than the west imop.

They are great programs, but outside of TX - they might not help the SEC Network much. At least not as far as monthly cash flow goes. Again, I see THAT as the key to them seriously being considered. Are they needed to raise viewers in Texas? What % of Texas's 27 Million population are they going to reach that aren't already being reached? I don't know the answer. Adding two schools from the same state that produce minimum subscriptions doesn't seem to be the best business decision, especially when it means they will get an equal share of all the subscriptions already in place. Might be hard to get voted in if they are going to pull more money than they generate?

I just think that this money from this network is driving the ship. More than the history, respect and endowment of a particular university. But maybe I'm wrong.

I suppose both are good arguments, time will tell I guess.

There are a lot of schools that get the invite before nc state. What has nc state done with that 70 million? Beat GS and Richmond by a point? Go 3-9? Barely beat old dominion? This is so left field... You must be extremely bias to them or something. I could almost buy Virginia tech but nc state isn't getting a sniff of the SEC. Give anyone sec recruiting power and sec money and see what happens but the sec didn't become what they are by being a charity, they have brought in schools that have helped make them what they are. Nc state instantly hurts the SEC brand. Florida state would be the first one they approach if they went towards the east.

Florida has blocked FSU before, not sure if they would do it again. If I remember correctly, NC State, or UNC, can't remember which, has been thrown around by the SEC offices before. The mention of them is not left field, just regurgitated. Va Tech has also been thrown around by the SEC in the past, including Clemson and FSU, as well as Clemson and FSU to the Big 12.

(07-02-2015 03:33 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 03:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:32 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Nothing?? Guess you just didn't even read what I wrote.

Nothing? If OU/OSU aren't needed to raise penetration of the SEC network in Texas, then VT/NC State bring nearly 7 times what those two bring in terms of cash flow? Didn't you say that the SEC wants the $? Is not ESPN a consideration and what they think? Where is the money?

The SEC can walk into Texas (where their SEC network is already widely carried) and where they already have a team and recruit just fine now to. The SEC programs have great National coverage/following , they don't really need to be in OK to get players from TX. Granted it would help, I'm not saying recruiting isn't a consideration, but the other South East states have plenty of talent.

You are going to burn two spots to get that?

It's about the money they have, the facilities, the strength of the program, the national brand and if your brand raises or lowers the SEC brand. You are s ting like ou and OSU don't have money. They have the money, the market, the brand, the facilities, and the actual capability of fielding teams that can compete.

yes, THEY have money. I don't see the SEC being to interested in how much money the University already has, but rather what they can do for the SEC. Nobody from OK is going to give to the SEC fund, other than entry fees. It makes no difference how much money they have really.

The SEC doesn't need any help in strength.

The SEC is already the biggest Brand in college sports.

Being able to compete is important for earning bowl money and producing revenue shares in basketball etc I grant you. Give VT and NC State SEC recruiting power and see what happens.

More football talent in the South East than the west imop.

They are great programs, but outside of TX - they might not help the SEC Network much. At least not as far as monthly cash flow goes. Again, I see THAT as the key to them seriously being considered. Are they needed to raise viewers in Texas? What % of Texas's 27 Million population are they going to reach that aren't already being reached? I don't know the answer. Adding two schools from the same state that produce minimum subscriptions doesn't seem to be the best business decision, especially when it means they will get an equal share of all the subscriptions already in place. Might be hard to get voted in if they are going to pull more money than they generate?

I just think that this money from this network is driving the ship. More than the history, respect and endowment of a particular university. But maybe I'm wrong.

I suppose both are good arguments, time will tell I guess.

There are a lot of schools that get the invite before nc state. What has nc state done with that 70 million? Beat GS and Richmond by a point? Go 3-9? Barely beat old dominion? This is so left field... You must be extremely bias to them or something. I could almost buy Virginia tech but nc state isn't getting a sniff of the SEC. Give anyone sec recruiting power and sec money and see what happens but the sec didn't become what they are by being a charity, they have brought in schools that have helped make them what they are. Nc state instantly hurts the SEC brand. Florida state would be the first one they approach if they went towards the east.

Florida has blocked FSU before, not sure if they would do it again. If I remember correctly, NC State, or UNC, can't remember which, has been thrown around by the SEC offices before. The mention of them is not left field, just regurgitated. Va Tech has also been thrown around by the SEC in the past, including Clemson and FSU, as well as Clemson and FSU to the Big 12.

They have all been thrown around by certain members... The members of the sunbekt have thrown around all kind of schools but their is only a select few who are viable and there is a hierarchy. If the SEC decided to go to 16... Those schools will understand the need to be the strongest 16 possible. Liberty is mentioned constantly, yet when anyone connected to the decision speaks it is not an option.

(07-02-2015 11:35 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:23 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 07:21 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 10:03 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 03:57 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  The sec doesn't care about population or market size, they care about $$$... Something OU and OSU have plenty of. Can you afford to keep up and do you field competitive teams and is your university 100% behind athletics.

Doesn't care about population or market size but only care about the money? Doesn't really make sense to me, since they are two sides of the same coin. You're right, they care about cash. OU and OSU aren't going to be giving their money to the SEC to be a member. The question is, how do they help generate cash? They could impact more money for ESPN CONTRACT, BUT there is REAL BIG MONEY in the SEC Network. That money is not only generated by advertising to more people in bigger markets, but through monthly TV subscription rates. The channel is mandated to basic subscriptions that are going into about 75% of every household in a state weather they watch it or not. Two States who actually carry lots of fans in their market (not like gast in Atlanta) , at least enough to have demand for providers to offer the network/ with a population of about 20 million and two States of market, versus 1 state and 3 plus million. Don't see the money being even close to VT & NC State. We are talking about $1.40 per household, per month!!! And those programs are all in on Football. And are in the South East. The SEC doesn't have to worry much about power rankings either. I don't see Oklahoma as much of an upside for the SEC. And I don't think the average ticket sales/ attendances are enough to tip the scales either considering that the Oklahoma programs only lead by an approximate combined total of 20,000 per game. If VT AND NC STATE get into the SEC, those numbers will jump up and they are driving distance for a bunch of visiting fans. Hey, I'm not suggesting that they would go after UNCC and Old Dominion, winning / fan base and tradition matter to the SEC. The OK programs certainly fit that bill, I just think they will go this other direction if they expand.

Tuscaloosa, auburn, Oxford, college station... These teams own the market of the state not the small towns they are in... Oklahoma and OSU own the entire oklahoma market and parts of texas. The population of the town they reside doesn't matter... They aren't trying to join cusa. They are already power teams. Nc state in the sec, are you f'n kidding me dude?

The more you talk about "market" though, the more you sort of enforce my point. I never said a thing about the actual town any of these schools were in. I realize I caused the confusion, please excuse my lack of explanation. In this mention of Market, I'm really talking about them carrying enough fan support throughout the state to have enough demand for the SEC network to result in nearly every TV package provider in that state to have to carry the SEC network. This only works if enough people are asking for it. I have no doubt they have the demand in their state. But both are in the same state and the population is just over 3 Million, so that isn't a lot of subscriptions in THAT sate. Now, you have a valid point about them having lots of fans in Texas.

I don't know what the % of TV providers who carry the SEC network in Texas is. It is possible that Texas A&M did not produce enough fan interest in 100% of Texas to drive the SEC network onto all provider's lineups. Since the Texas population is nearly 27 Million, this could very well be the case. It is something I really didn't think about before.

Now I know everybody has fans outside of their home states, and that OU and OSU have a bunch of them in big areas - but as far as it pertains to cash flow to the SEC network, it only counts IF they have large numbers of fans in a state that has an SEC team. Because these are the only states where the network can leverage themselves onto Basic subscriptions and also charge about 5X what they do in non-SEC states.
Looks, like they may have that with OU/OSU. So I guess the big question is: What % of Texas providers already have the SEC Network? If that % is VERY high, that would work against OU/OSU.

I assure you that the $ driving the ship on expansion is certainly focused on this.

And NO, I'm not kidding about NC State to the SEC. The amount of money that they have raised for Athletics over the past several years is unreal. In a "state market" of 10 Million, they bring a lot to the SEC Network and are in the footprint of the SEC. IF the SEC wanted NC, where else would they look? UNC will NEVER leave the ACC. And I don't believe they would consider ECU, App State etc. Besides, their fans BELONG in the SEC. They are the trailer park of the ACC. Most arrogant, (for no reason), redneck fans I've EVER seen.

I do not know what percentage of homes in Texas have the SEC network. I DO know that OU and OSU combined have more fans in Texas north of Dallas than aTm does.

the sec channels are included in our uverse package here in the dfw metro area as is the LHN. I wouldnt pay extra for either of them. I was able to watch some sbc teams play last year because of having it. also, there is only 70 or 80 miles left of texas going north from dallas so to say ou/osu has more fans there is not really saying too much

I really have no love for nc state. But they are the best program outside of unc, whom I believe would never leave the ACC, that carry the state and name for north Carolina. It it's a a Huge Market state for subscriptions. And it's in the footprint. Just the only path I see for them to pick up that cash. FSU is out due to not only a uf block, but there is nothing to gain in SEC subscriptions. They already have Florida. This it's about new States.

(07-02-2015 03:33 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 03:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:32 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:57 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  Nothing?? Guess you just didn't even read what I wrote.

Nothing? If OU/OSU aren't needed to raise penetration of the SEC network in Texas, then VT/NC State bring nearly 7 times what those two bring in terms of cash flow? Didn't you say that the SEC wants the $? Is not ESPN a consideration and what they think? Where is the money?

The SEC can walk into Texas (where their SEC network is already widely carried) and where they already have a team and recruit just fine now to. The SEC programs have great National coverage/following , they don't really need to be in OK to get players from TX. Granted it would help, I'm not saying recruiting isn't a consideration, but the other South East states have plenty of talent.

You are going to burn two spots to get that?

It's about the money they have, the facilities, the strength of the program, the national brand and if your brand raises or lowers the SEC brand. You are s ting like ou and OSU don't have money. They have the money, the market, the brand, the facilities, and the actual capability of fielding teams that can compete.

yes, THEY have money. I don't see the SEC being to interested in how much money the University already has, but rather what they can do for the SEC. Nobody from OK is going to give to the SEC fund, other than entry fees. It makes no difference how much money they have really.

The SEC doesn't need any help in strength.

The SEC is already the biggest Brand in college sports.

Being able to compete is important for earning bowl money and producing revenue shares in basketball etc I grant you. Give VT and NC State SEC recruiting power and see what happens.

More football talent in the South East than the west imop.

They are great programs, but outside of TX - they might not help the SEC Network much. At least not as far as monthly cash flow goes. Again, I see THAT as the key to them seriously being considered. Are they needed to raise viewers in Texas? What % of Texas's 27 Million population are they going to reach that aren't already being reached? I don't know the answer. Adding two schools from the same state that produce minimum subscriptions doesn't seem to be the best business decision, especially when it means they will get an equal share of all the subscriptions already in place. Might be hard to get voted in if they are going to pull more money than they generate?

I just think that this money from this network is driving the ship. More than the history, respect and endowment of a particular university. But maybe I'm wrong.

I suppose both are good arguments, time will tell I guess.

There are a lot of schools that get the invite before nc state. What has nc state done with that 70 million? Beat GS and Richmond by a point? Go 3-9? Barely beat old dominion? This is so left field... You must be extremely bias to them or something. I could almost buy Virginia tech but nc state isn't getting a sniff of the SEC. Give anyone sec recruiting power and sec money and see what happens but the sec didn't become what they are by being a charity, they have brought in schools that have helped make them what they are. Nc state instantly hurts the SEC brand. Florida state would be the first one they approach if they went towards the east.

Florida has blocked FSU before, not sure if they would do it again. If I remember correctly, NC State, or UNC, can't remember which, has been thrown around by the SEC offices before. The mention of them is not left field, just regurgitated. Va Tech has also been thrown around by the SEC in the past, including Clemson and FSU, as well as Clemson and FSU to the Big 12.

Well I heard the people making the decisions were talking about South Alabama.

I think the Sun Belt should extend invitations to OU and Florida State, see what happens.

(07-05-2015 12:03 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  I think the Sun Belt should extend invitations to OU and Florida State, see what happens.

I say we invite Nebraska, you know they went to the B1G thinking they would run that conference. That hasn't happened, maybe they believe if they come to the SBC they could win it.

That would be hilarious, we should send Official invitations to some big programs like Note Dame. Florida State, Oklahoma, etc. And send a copy to ESPN . Would get some comic relief publicity out of it.

(07-05-2015 10:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  That would be hilarious, we should send Official invitations to some big programs like Note Dame. Florida State, Oklahoma, etc. And send a copy to ESPN . Would get some comic relief publicity out of it.

You don't understand. They are serious.

(07-06-2015 05:42 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(07-05-2015 10:00 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  That would be hilarious, we should send Official invitations to some big programs like Note Dame. Florida State, Oklahoma, etc. And send a copy to ESPN . Would get some comic relief publicity out of it.

You don't understand. They are serious.

I am. Gotta think big. Hell, let's invite Boise. Already got one team from Idaho, why not another?

They can be travel partners.

The BIG 12 makes a move on expansion....

http://wolverinegreen.com/news/2015/7/29...54435.aspx

(07-31-2015 05:23 PM)SARGEcaw Wrote:  The BIG 12 makes a move on expansion....

http://wolverinegreen.com/news/2015/7/29...54435.aspx

This is absolutely great news for our women's mud-wrestling team.

SEC isn't going to expand unless it makes money.

OU would make money, NCSU, UNC, Clemson, Florida State, VPI all would make money for the SEC.

Florida put Florida State forward in 1989-90 and again when TAMU joined. Moving Florida State from a non-conference home/home to a conference home/home frees up an extra date that Florida can either sell for an early season neutral site game or for a lucrative home game.

Maryland and the ACC settled for $30+ million rather than the $50 million.

As to grant of right, breaking one would be hard, likely impossible as to the provision that the TV rights stay with the conference you leave. But it is also possible that a settlement to release a school from a GOR would happen if the parties all think it is in their best interest. What is likely breakable is the provision that the team leaving loses their share of the TV money as a penalty for leaving.

The rumor for any potential SEC expansion has always been a Virginia school and a North Carolina school.

More so for cultural fit, NC State and Va Tech.

Not sure that will happen in the near future. If I remember correctly, NC St and UNC share a BOR.