(07-31-2015 08:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  SEC isn't going to expand unless it makes money.

OU would make money, NCSU, UNC, Clemson, Florida State, VPI all would make money for the SEC.

Florida put Florida State forward in 1989-90 and again when TAMU joined. Moving Florida State from a non-conference home/home to a conference home/home frees up an extra date that Florida can either sell for an early season neutral site game or for a lucrative home game.

Maryland and the ACC settled for $30+ million rather than the $50 million.

As to grant of right, breaking one would be hard, likely impossible as to the provision that the TV rights stay with the conference you leave. But it is also possible that a settlement to release a school from a GOR would happen if the parties all think it is in their best interest. What is likely breakable is the provision that the team leaving loses their share of the TV money as a penalty for leaving.

Clemson and Florida State don't make money for the SEC, they're already on every television in those states, and Florida definitely doesn't want Florida State in the league. It's been widely reported that they joined with Georgia, South Carolina, and Kentucky to block Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville from being considered for inclusion to the SEC.

Oklahoma is an option for the SEC, but they're more likely to look east, either UNC/Virginia, UNC/Duke, or NC State/Virginia Tech as they're likeliest choices with Missouri joining the SEC West. The B1G probably follows up with UNC/Virginia if they're available and Kansas/Oklahoma if they aren't and Indiana and Purdue being put back in the same division.

Rice and SMU to Big 12?

(07-31-2015 10:38 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Rice and SMU to Big 12?

t.u. fans would riot.

(07-31-2015 10:14 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 08:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  SEC isn't going to expand unless it makes money.

OU would make money, NCSU, UNC, Clemson, Florida State, VPI all would make money for the SEC.

Florida put Florida State forward in 1989-90 and again when TAMU joined. Moving Florida State from a non-conference home/home to a conference home/home frees up an extra date that Florida can either sell for an early season neutral site game or for a lucrative home game.

Maryland and the ACC settled for $30+ million rather than the $50 million.

As to grant of right, breaking one would be hard, likely impossible as to the provision that the TV rights stay with the conference you leave. But it is also possible that a settlement to release a school from a GOR would happen if the parties all think it is in their best interest. What is likely breakable is the provision that the team leaving loses their share of the TV money as a penalty for leaving.

Clemson and Florida State don't make money for the SEC, they're already on every television in those states, and Florida definitely doesn't want Florida State in the league. It's been widely reported that they joined with Georgia, South Carolina, and Kentucky to block Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Louisville from being considered for inclusion to the SEC.

Oklahoma is an option for the SEC, but they're more likely to look east, either UNC/Virginia, UNC/Duke, or NC State/Virginia Tech as they're likeliest choices with Missouri joining the SEC West. The B1G probably follows up with UNC/Virginia if they're available and Kansas/Oklahoma if they aren't and Indiana and Purdue being put back in the same division.

Since the SEC has tried twice to get Clemson and Florida State, I refute your analysis that they don't make money for the SEC if they join. Both command large dedicated TV audiences and as I said, FLORIDA HAS TWICE TRIED TO GET FLORIDA STATE IN. That refutes the idea UF doesn't want them.

(07-31-2015 10:38 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Rice and SMU to Big 12?

Texas would drop football before it allowed itself to be associated with SMU or Rice again. No offense to either school.

(08-01-2015 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Since the SEC has tried twice to get Clemson and Florida State, I refute your analysis that they don't make money for the SEC if they join. Both command large dedicated TV audiences and as I said, FLORIDA HAS TWICE TRIED TO GET FLORIDA STATE IN. That refutes the idea UF doesn't want them.

The only time I have ever seen that the SEC tried to get Clemson and Florida State in the last five years has been your posts in this thread. It's been widely reported that Florida State has been and will continue to be blocked by Florida and that if the SEC expands it will be looking to add more states and markets to its footprint.

I could see the SEC wanting in new markets. Clemson doesn't really add anything and USC would want to block them. A school from Va and NC would be prime targets for the SEC. 2 new markets. IF the SEC added 2 to the east (ex: VT and NCST/UNC; personally I think the SEC should stick to adding the Univ. of .... schools like UVA and UNC-CH just feels better to go with the UGA, UF, and other flagship schools). Would that allow OU to be added and Mizzu to move west? I can't remember how many teams the SEC has now, but would that put them at 16 or 18 teams total? Good grief.

(08-01-2015 01:41 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  

(08-01-2015 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Since the SEC has tried twice to get Clemson and Florida State, I refute your analysis that they don't make money for the SEC if they join. Both command large dedicated TV audiences and as I said, FLORIDA HAS TWICE TRIED TO GET FLORIDA STATE IN. That refutes the idea UF doesn't want them.

The only time I have ever seen that the SEC tried to get Clemson and Florida State in the last five years has been your posts in this thread. It's been widely reported that Florida State has been and will continue to be blocked by Florida and that if the SEC expands it will be looking to add more states and markets to its footprint.

When Mike Gottlieb broke the story that Texas A&M had approached the SEC he also reported that the SEC's top two targets were Florida State and Clemson. Within two days of the A&M interest story the Palm Beach Post reported SEC was talking to Florida State.

It took around six weeks to go from A&M wanted in to agreeing to take Mizzou. In that time the SEC made inquiries of Clemson, Florida State, UNC, NC State, and Va.Tech before landing on Mizzou to the west. If you prefer the version where Florida State wasn't preferred that's your call.

(08-01-2015 01:48 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  I could see the SEC wanting in new markets. Clemson doesn't really add anything and USC would want to block them. A school from Va and NC would be prime targets for the SEC. 2 new markets. IF the SEC added 2 to the east (ex: VT and NCST/UNC; personally I think the SEC should stick to adding the Univ. of .... schools like UVA and UNC-CH just feels better to go with the UGA, UF, and other flagship schools). Would that allow OU to be added and Mizzu to move west? I can't remember how many teams the SEC has now, but would that put them at 16 or 18 teams total? Good grief.

If you are LSU, TAMU, Mizzou, Alabama, Auburn, you have four non-conference dates to schedule as you desire. If you are Florida, UGA, South Carolina, you have three such dates. If promoters come to you offering $5 million to play a name opponent in Nashville, Atlanta, or Dallas and it is a year you travel to your ACC counter-part, accepting means you have only six home games. If it is a year you host you could have seven home games but as AD you have to watch as your coach whines about playing 10 national opponents.

Recruiting wise, if you are Florida and losing recruiting battles to Florida State, you want FSU to join the SEC in hopes that the tougher schedule makes their record less gaudy negating a recruiting advantage. Ditto South Carolina who trails Clemson in recruiting.

Georgia out recruits Georgia Tech but GT allows ACC schools to have good presence as Atlanta media has to carve out time to cover ACC in a crowded sports market.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ball-teams