I would like to see the SBC go to 12 teams, all having Olympic teams. Football having two divisions.

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

http://m.newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-...'airtroop' pid='12160400' dateline='1435514511']

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim pid='http://m.newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-strive-for-12-team-league/article/54296942159354 Wrote:A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

Only an IDIOT would think that. Ask the opposing Power 5 coaches if they think our teams are "barely more than FCS". If you specifically mean an average SBC team is "barely more" than NDSU, you might have something there.
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Well idiot. You might note in this interview with OU's ad Boren he states that one reason for the b12 to expand is because of perception amongst the other p5 schools. If the b12 has to be worried about this I assure you the sbc should especially since it is currently seen as the worst fbs conference and wishes to be seen otherwise.

http://m.newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-...le/5429694

I'd like anything but 10. Could be less, could be more, but I'd rather not have 9 conference games, and I'd rather not play everyone in the conference except for one (just seems weird).

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

(06-28-2015 06:45 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  http://m.newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-...'airtroop' pid='12160400' dateline='1435514511']

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim pid='http://m.newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-strive-for-12-team-league/article/54296942159354 Wrote:A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

Only an IDIOT would think that. Ask the opposing Power 5 coaches if they think our teams are "barely more than FCS". If you specifically mean an average SBC team is "barely more" than NDSU, you might have something there.

Well idiot. You might note in this interview with OU's ad Boren he states that one reason for the b12 to expand is because of perception amongst the other p5 schools. If the b12 has to be worried about this I assure you the sbc should especially since it is currently seen as the worst fbs conference and wishes to be seen otherwise.
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Yeah? How about this- go play Troy and I'll spot JAXST 17 points for $100. Yeah, I thought so.

Wed be happy to play troy st. And youd lose that 100 bucks.

i apologize for calling you an idiot,. I should not have done that even in retaliation.

(06-28-2015 08:38 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Wed be happy to play troy st. And youd lose that 100 bucks.

i apologize for calling you an idiot,. I should not have done that even in retaliation.

To be clear, you'd only be happy to play Troy on your terms.

As in a home and home. Which won't happen.

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

I dont think many would consider the B12 with only 10 teams small time. especially when they are distributing about 255 million $ this year.

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:12 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  A 9 or 10 team conference round robin schedule seems small time. Since the sbc is seen as the bottom conference barely more than fcs it seems there would be a desire to distance itself from that perception.
when the b12 adds 2 teams the only conferences with a round robin schedule will be the sbc and fcs conferences.

The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

That is an ignorant statement, I guess you didn't watch football last year...

(06-29-2015 08:12 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

Again...APP has played as tough a schedule yet!
How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

That is an ignorant statement, I guess you didn't watch football last year...

(06-29-2015 08:12 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The best way to change perception is to end the association with low performing programs and beat some higher ranked teams. Since 2005 NMSU is 23-98 and Idaho is 21-97. Many of those W's were against FCS competition. I have zero against those programs, but the cold, hard fact is they are pulling the Sunbelt down. It's time for those two to bite the bullet and go FCS.

Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

That is an ignorant statement, I guess you didn't watch football last year...

Beating stAte in their own house in our second transition year is technically the past now too.

I'd hate to base an ego on anything else.

(06-28-2015 08:38 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Wed be happy to play troy st. And youd lose that 100 bucks.

i apologize for calling you an idiot,. I should not have done that even in retaliation.

Denada... I didn't mean to tread so closely to a personal attack myself and I apologize for that as well

(06-29-2015 10:54 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:12 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Travel must be hard on the athletic budget for schools used to a bus league.

How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

That is an ignorant statement, I guess you didn't watch football last year...

Beating stAte in their own house in our second transition year is technically the past now too.

I'd hate to base an ego on anything else.

Again as an FBS newbie...you haven't experienced having to schedule FBS games as an independent...the schedules can and usually are difficult. It has been years since Arkansas State has lost to an FCS...but APP lost to Liberty??? Loses like that does hurt the SBC image.

(06-29-2015 12:06 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 10:54 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:12 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 07:17 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many games has Idaho and NMSU won combined against FBS programs not named Idaho and NMSU the last three years?

Two - GA St. and Temple. 2-60 in three years, I think he may have a point.

App adjusted pretty well as you know first hand.

I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

That is an ignorant statement, I guess you didn't watch football last year...

Beating stAte in their own house in our second transition year is technically the past now too.

I'd hate to base an ego on anything else.

Again as an FBS newbie...you haven't experienced having to schedule FBS games as an independent...the schedules can and usually are difficult. It has been years since Arkansas State has lost to an FCS...but APP lost to Liberty??? Loses like that does hurt the SBC image.

I'm going to attempt to connect the dots for you.

My comment was about the last three years, which includes last year, in which App, Idaho, and NMSU played the pretty much the same schedule. One of the three did much better proving your point moot.

App did lose to an FCS program (excellent attempt to change the question at hand), then inserted freshman into the starting line up and beat your program 4 weeks later.

(06-29-2015 12:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 12:06 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 10:54 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:12 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 09:45 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  I doubt APP would have a very good record against some of the FBS teams they played over that time...but APP's past gives them an inflated ego.

That is an ignorant statement, I guess you didn't watch football last year...

Beating stAte in their own house in our second transition year is technically the past now too.

I'd hate to base an ego on anything else.

Again as an FBS newbie...you haven't experienced having to schedule FBS games as an independent...the schedules can and usually are difficult. It has been years since Arkansas State has lost to an FCS...but APP lost to Liberty??? Loses like that does hurt the SBC image.

I'm going to attempt to connect the dots for you.

My comment was about the last three years, which includes last year, in which App, Idaho, and NMSU played the pretty much the same schedule. One of the three did much better proving your point moot.

App did lose to an FCS program (excellent attempt to change the question at hand), then inserted freshman into the starting line up and beat your program 4 weeks later.

Again..you need to look at the schedule they played in the two years before rejoining the belt. Apples and oranges...

No, already did when I counted their two combined wins.

Do you believe 5 is greater than 1?