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RE: Difficulty in backfilling if/when Big 12 poaches 2 (or 4) schools
(06-26-2015 09:57 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 05:10 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The consensus is that UConn and BYU are the two most desirable schools in G5 when you consider all factors (academics, athletics, market, national brand).

You conveniently forgot geography.

Uconn is abot 480 miles east of WVU... Cinci is almost 600 miles east of Kansas. On a plane, Uconn is only about 90 minutes longer of a flight then WVU. Not exactly a deal breaker.

One major point that nobody is talking about is how to fix the dilution of adding 2 teams. Everyone in the Big 12 loses $1.8 million per year if they add two teams... so I started looking at how to fill that gap and guess who is the MOST likely to do that... Uconn.

Out of every school in the G5 and BYU, Uconn brought in more NCAA credits then anybody. In fact, they bring in enough to cover that gap. Adding Uconn is actually revenue neutral.

So I dont think the idea of Uconn to the Big 12 is totally insane, but I honestly hope for them that the ACC gets their head out of their ass and finally does the right thing. Uconn culturally, geographically, educationally and competitively deserves to be an ACC school.

I tend to think and this will piss many off, that Memphis and Cinci make the most sense for the B12 right now. Though Id love to see Memphis, Cinci, USF and UCF to make an offer to the Big 12 to add all four and well agree to a 5 year deal of taking only the $40 million that Fox/ESPN have agreed to increase the deal.
The Big 12 can call it a developmental move. After 5 years of them selling all our content (except 3rd tier rights) then we move to 67%, 75%, 85% and then 100%. Thats a 9 year integration and according to my spreadsheet they dont lose a nickel... in fact they should make some cash.

After 9 years of making that much money and the prestige of being in a power conference, I gurantee those four schools would not be at the bottom of the Big 12 and would be earning their keep.
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RE: Difficulty in backfilling if/when Big 12 poaches 2 (or 4) schools
(06-26-2015 08:09 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 11:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.
They can do that - get nice games with Villanova and G Town and not have to travel south to play ball.
And in another 5-10 years, most of the rest of the AAC will be selected in the P5 and they can join the MAC to try to move up and get back in the game.

Yea, nothing like adding schools that have nothing in common with the BE schools. I'm also sure Villanova, Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall would have no problem adding other schools in their region...
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(06-26-2015 10:33 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 08:09 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 11:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.
They can do that - get nice games with Villanova and G Town and not have to travel south to play ball.
And in another 5-10 years, most of the rest of the AAC will be selected in the P5 and they can join the MAC to try to move up and get back in the game.

Yea, nothing like adding schools that have nothing in common with the BE schools. I'm also sure Villanova, Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall would have no problem adding other schools in their region...

One of the reasons the Big East expansion took so long, which gave the ACC time to raid us, was Nova blocking Temples addition to the conference.

I dont see them ever openly joining forces. A northern conference actually does sound interesting.
If Nova and Gtown would move football up, then you could add Temple, Uconn, Umass, ODU, and Charlotte. Then add Army and Navy for football only. Thats actually a hell of a basketball and olympic sports conference with some good football games. Id watch that over the current Big East anyday.
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(06-25-2015 02:34 PM)DocAllentown Wrote:  What's Tolefo's RPI? I'm missing why wed need a body.

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(06-26-2015 10:39 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 10:33 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 08:09 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 11:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.
They can do that - get nice games with Villanova and G Town and not have to travel south to play ball.
And in another 5-10 years, most of the rest of the AAC will be selected in the P5 and they can join the MAC to try to move up and get back in the game.

Yea, nothing like adding schools that have nothing in common with the BE schools. I'm also sure Villanova, Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall would have no problem adding other schools in their region...

One of the reasons the Big East expansion took so long, which gave the ACC time to raid us, was Nova blocking Temples addition to the conference.

I dont see them ever openly joining forces. A northern conference actually does sound interesting.
If Nova and Gtown would move football up, then you could add Temple, Uconn, Umass, ODU, and Charlotte. Then add Army and Navy for football only. Thats actually a hell of a basketball and olympic sports conference with some good football games. Id watch that over the current Big East anyday.

I've wondered why a NE conference with: Buffalo, UMASS, Temple, UCONN, Old Dominion, Charlotte,Navy and ECU or Army hasn't been talked about more. Army and ECU are long shots but Nova and Georgetown could take their place.(s) a good academic 8 team conference in a concentrated region of the country. Old school thinking I know...
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(06-26-2015 11:43 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 10:39 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 10:33 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 08:09 AM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 11:40 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes 4 schools, UConn, Temple & UMass should just drop down to FCS and join the Big East.
They can do that - get nice games with Villanova and G Town and not have to travel south to play ball.
And in another 5-10 years, most of the rest of the AAC will be selected in the P5 and they can join the MAC to try to move up and get back in the game.

Yea, nothing like adding schools that have nothing in common with the BE schools. I'm also sure Villanova, Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall would have no problem adding other schools in their region...

One of the reasons the Big East expansion took so long, which gave the ACC time to raid us, was Nova blocking Temples addition to the conference.

I dont see them ever openly joining forces. A northern conference actually does sound interesting.
If Nova and Gtown would move football up, then you could add Temple, Uconn, Umass, ODU, and Charlotte. Then add Army and Navy for football only. Thats actually a hell of a basketball and olympic sports conference with some good football games. Id watch that over the current Big East anyday.

I've wondered why a NE conference with: Buffalo, UMASS, Temple, UCONN, Old Dominion, Charlotte,Navy and ECU or Army hasn't been talked about more. Army and ECU are long shots but Nova and Georgetown could take their place.(s) a good academic 8 team conference in a concentrated region of the country. Old school thinking I know...

I think the original idea was to go nationwide and do regional networks like the PAC 12, so they went after large markets spread out... then they found out that nobody cared, scrapped it and attempted to make sense out of hte mess that was left.... and the American was born!
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A couple of things.

The AAC is a southern focused conference with a couple of northern outliers, UConn and Temple.

If Cincy leaves with Memphis, the southern focus just got a lot stronger. What benefit is there to UCF to travel to New England twice (if UMass is added) to play two weak G5 teams?

I think the focus should be where interest and demographics are higher. I like the idea of Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and maybe Rice together. That just has so much geographic and institutional appeal.

The same for UCF, USF, ECU and a Georgia Southern (or ODU).

Only Uconn and Temple would be in the north. Just enough presence to get potential students in the northeast some exposure to the southern schools, but not enough to hurt the texas, florida, southeast perception of the conference.

Finally, I'm not sure about ESPN's desire to be generous to the AAC. ESPN will do what it needs to to make as much money as possible. Everyone knows that ESPN is paying a lot less for the AAC's content versus the major conferences, but the AAC needs to make ESPN happy. ESPN has nurtured the AAC pretty good so far. They've gone way out of the way to help it. Some would even say that the AAC is taking advantage of ESPN and should stop. But ESPN has acted pretty generoysly throughout this.
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to jump in a convo earlier

espn will almost certainly not cancel our contract,no matter who leaves, our current deal was an nbc matched deal, and im certain even nbc wouldnt have canceled either but just wanted to have the option ...

espn's main strategy have been to deprive competition of content , why they have a matching clause in every deal they do

no matter what combination of 2 you choose their will still be a lot fo value remaining...you lose cincy and memphis...do you think espn will let uconn(basketball), temple (basketball) navy football houston football, ucf football ..go into the open market for what is essential pocket change to them

look at cbssports, they didnt alter much of the deal when they lost every boise home game....

every tv network is either trying to prevent competitors from getting content or trying to hold on to the few they have....
im honestly not remotely worried about losing our deal if teams leave
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(06-26-2015 03:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  to jump in a convo earlier

espn will almost certainly not cancel our contract,no matter who leaves, our current deal was an nbc matched deal, and im certain even nbc wouldnt have canceled either but just wanted to have the option ...

espn's main strategy have been to deprive competition of content , why they have a matching clause in every deal they do

no matter what combination of 2 you choose their will still be a lot fo value remaining...you lose cincy and memphis...do you think espn will let uconn(basketball), temple (basketball) navy football houston football, ucf football ..go into the open market for what is essential pocket change to them

look at cbssports, they didnt alter much of the deal when they lost every boise home game....

every tv network is either trying to prevent competitors from getting content or trying to hold on to the few they have....
im honestly not remotely worried about losing our deal if teams leave

me either..losing tv $ is not even an issue really...
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(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

"SOME" history with existing AAC members? Do your homework, Coog. While Houston's history with Southern Miss began in the mid '90's, our history with many of the teams go back a very long time and our ties are close to the bone. Many of us were Southern Independents, part of the Liberty Bowl Alliance, Metro Conference members, charter members of C-USA.

Our history with Houston is not lacking. Our games with Houston nearly always impacted the upper standings if not the conference title. You must be a newbie fan.

Memphis and Southern Miss grew up together. When minimum numbers of DI games were required to stay in the "Big Boy" division, we played each other twice in the same season at times.

East Carolina and Southern Miss have shared so many struggles that we feel like brothers from a different mother. Our games were always meaningful. The only thing that diminishes our rivalry is our geographic dispersion.

Tulane and Southern Miss are not peer institutions and the series was one-sided, but we share a meaningful history that dates back to the '70's, increased with the Metro Conference, and continued to C-USA.

Cincinnati was with us since the Metro days. We played some meaningful games when they started to field good football teams.

Our relationships with USF/UCF were short on time but not in intensity. Much hate was built in a short time due to some extremely meaningful games played with championship implications.

Many fans of the AAC have very short memories. Lowly old Southern Miss has reached depths never seen before in the last couple of years, but it was not too long ago that many of the AAC teams were openly emulating Southern Miss as a formula to become more that what they were. That strategy worked for many of you and you left Southern Miss in the dust. Southern Miss, by associating with the teams that have passed us by could return to their proper place in the world by returning to competition with our long-time peers. This time we would be playing catch-up, but we would be there in no time flat with the right association.

Southern Miss was a charter member in C-USA for one reason and one reason only: to give the league football credibility. Our struggles are new and they could go away quickly. The tradition could be rekindled quickly. We will never have money, but we had and can have again a recognizable and respectable brand that will add quality and value to a conference.

Short memories some people have.
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(06-26-2015 06:42 PM)born in the burg Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

"SOME" history with existing AAC members? Do your homework, Coog. While Houston's history with Southern Miss began in the mid '90's, our history with many of the teams go back a very long time and our ties are close to the bone. Many of us were Southern Independents, part of the Liberty Bowl Alliance, Metro Conference members, charter members of C-USA.

Our history with Houston is not lacking. Our games with Houston nearly always impacted the upper standings if not the conference title. You must be a newbie fan.

Memphis and Southern Miss grew up together. When minimum numbers of DI games were required to stay in the "Big Boy" division, we played each other twice in the same season at times.

East Carolina and Southern Miss have shared so many struggles that we feel like brothers from a different mother. Our games were always meaningful. The only thing that diminishes our rivalry is our geographic dispersion.

Tulane and Southern Miss are not peer institutions and the series was one-sided, but we share a meaningful history that dates back to the '70's, increased with the Metro Conference, and continued to C-USA.

Cincinnati was with us since the Metro days. We played some meaningful games when they started to field good football teams.

Our relationships with USF/UCF were short on time but not in intensity. Much hate was built in a short time due to some extremely meaningful games played with championship implications.

Many fans of the AAC have very short memories. Lowly old Southern Miss has reached depths never seen before in the last couple of years, but it was not too long ago that many of the AAC teams were openly emulating Southern Miss as a formula to become more that what they were. That strategy worked for many of you and you left Southern Miss in the dust. Southern Miss, by associating with the teams that have passed us by could return to their proper place in the world by returning to competition with our long-time peers. This time we would be playing catch-up, but we would be there in no time flat with the right association.

Southern Miss was a charter member in C-USA for one reason and one reason only: to give the league football credibility. Our struggles are new and they could go away quickly. The tradition could be rekindled quickly. We will never have money, but we had and can have again a recognizable and respectable brand that will add quality and value to a conference.

Short memories some people have.

I think you read waaaaaay too much into the word "some". I am well aware of the connection to the old southern indys and even the connections to UH (though we were not in the same division and didn't play one another each year). My use of the word "some" was not meant as a slight. What I meant by "some" is Temple, Navy, UConn have little connection. The USF connection is fairly minimal as well. Also, keep in mind, two of the schools more strongly "connected" to SMiss are the ones most likely to be gone. btw---I am keenly aware that our own connection to some of the AAC members is tenuous at best.

Frankly, after the loss to S Miss in 2011, had we remained, I likely would have had been circling the S Miss date on the calendar. Im certainly aware of the UH-S Miss connection. My issue with S Miss as an addition is not about its history. Its about its future. S Miss has always done more with less, but its money issues appear to be becoming more pronounced. In addition, S Miss used to stand alone as an area alternative to those talented players that didn't get SEC offers. That same recruiting area has become more crowded with FBS alternatives over the last several years and I think that is also having an affect on the S Miss we remember.

Can S Miss rebound? Certainly. Will it be as dominant as they once were? Hmmm. My guess is they will likely be much more up and down than they were in the past. The bottom line is I believe the remaining 10 AAC teams would probably be better off soldiering on as a 10 team league rather than selecting replacements from the available pool at this time. I prefer staying at 10---adding a few non-football schools to rebuild basketball. No need to rush. We wont be in danger of collapse with 10 members. Be patient and keep our powder dry. Over time, somebody will separate themselves from the pack and become the obvious addition. Maybe it will be the Eagles---maybe its someone else.
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(06-26-2015 06:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 06:42 PM)born in the burg Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

"SOME" history with existing AAC members? Do your homework, Coog. While Houston's history with Southern Miss began in the mid '90's, our history with many of the teams go back a very long time and our ties are close to the bone. Many of us were Southern Independents, part of the Liberty Bowl Alliance, Metro Conference members, charter members of C-USA.

Our history with Houston is not lacking. Our games with Houston nearly always impacted the upper standings if not the conference title. You must be a newbie fan.

Memphis and Southern Miss grew up together. When minimum numbers of DI games were required to stay in the "Big Boy" division, we played each other twice in the same season at times.

East Carolina and Southern Miss have shared so many struggles that we feel like brothers from a different mother. Our games were always meaningful. The only thing that diminishes our rivalry is our geographic dispersion.

Tulane and Southern Miss are not peer institutions and the series was one-sided, but we share a meaningful history that dates back to the '70's, increased with the Metro Conference, and continued to C-USA.

Cincinnati was with us since the Metro days. We played some meaningful games when they started to field good football teams.

Our relationships with USF/UCF were short on time but not in intensity. Much hate was built in a short time due to some extremely meaningful games played with championship implications.

Many fans of the AAC have very short memories. Lowly old Southern Miss has reached depths never seen before in the last couple of years, but it was not too long ago that many of the AAC teams were openly emulating Southern Miss as a formula to become more that what they were. That strategy worked for many of you and you left Southern Miss in the dust. Southern Miss, by associating with the teams that have passed us by could return to their proper place in the world by returning to competition with our long-time peers. This time we would be playing catch-up, but we would be there in no time flat with the right association.

Southern Miss was a charter member in C-USA for one reason and one reason only: to give the league football credibility. Our struggles are new and they could go away quickly. The tradition could be rekindled quickly. We will never have money, but we had and can have again a recognizable and respectable brand that will add quality and value to a conference.

Short memories some people have.

I think you read waaaaaay too much into the word "some". I am well aware of the connection to the old southern indys and even the connections to UH (though we were not in the same division and didn't play one another each year). What I meant by "some" is Temple, Navy, UConn have little connection. The USF connection is fairly minimal as well. Also, keep in mind, two of the schools more strongly "connected" to SMiss are the ones most likely to be gone.

Frankly, after the loss to S Miss in 2011, had we remained, I likely would have had been circling the S Miss date on the calendar. Im certainly aware of the UH-S Miss connection. My issue with S Miss as an addition is not about its history. Its about its future. S Miss has always done more with less, but its money issues appear to be becoming more pronounced. In addition, S Miss used to stand alone as an area alternative to those talented players that didn't get SEC offers. That same recruiting area has become more crowded with FBS alternatives over the last several years and I think that is also having an affect on the S Miss we remember.

Can S Miss rebound? Certainly. Will it be as dominant as they once were? Hmmm. My guess is they will likely be much more up and down than they were in the past. The bottom line is I believe the remaining 10 AAC teams would probably be better off soldiering on as a 10 team league rather than selecting replacements from the available pool at this time. I prefer staying at 10---adding a few non-football schools to rebuild basketball. No need to rush. We wont be in danger of collapse with 10 members. Be patient and keep our powder dry. Over time, somebody will separate themselves from the pack and become the obvious addition. Maybe it will be the Eagles---maybe its someone else.

Most of these upstarts in the Southeast that you mentioned have markets and population. They will never have a BRAND. Southern Miss, with a 3-5 year winning run, passes all of these brand-less, tradition-less schools on any kids recruiting wish list. You can buy facilities... you can buy affiliations... but you cannot buy our tradition. When Southern Miss begins winning again, no kid is going to choose these upstart programs over a once and future brand name in college football.

As to the AAC standing pat at 10, it will not happen. The most likely thing to happen is that the AAC is weakened by realignment and the western schools, including the Coogs are plucked by the MWC. The dominoes will fall from there. Hopefully the next round for USM is a better purgatory than what we are currently in.
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Why would the MWC want to go to 14? There would be no additional CFP monies, and the year MWC basketball quits getting multiple bids, having 14 teams becomes very expensive.

Hawaii also didn't join the MWC to have it turn into WAC 16. Unless if Hawaii is going away, I don't think the MWC can get the votes to expand into Texas, and even then I would expect substantial resistance from the Western Division schools.
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(06-26-2015 07:13 PM)born in the burg Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 06:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-26-2015 06:42 PM)born in the burg Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-25-2015 06:02 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  Staying at 10 is dangerous in the event that the 10th gets poached.

I can't see nonfootball schools being added. That lesson has been learned.

There is really nobody worth adding. Marshall? just makes us look more like CUSA---besides, Marshall cant compete without using non-qualifiers. S Miss? Some history with the existing AAC schools, but their money issues are concerning. NIU---no attendance and do we really want more games in the snow?

There are a couple of promising young programs that might grow into something--but they are not going anywhere. No reason to gamble and select the wrong one. Let things develop and see who makes the best future add a few years down the road (if we ever need an add). Id rather hold at 10 and hope 6-8 MW schools become more interested in creating a national conference over the next few years.

"SOME" history with existing AAC members? Do your homework, Coog. While Houston's history with Southern Miss began in the mid '90's, our history with many of the teams go back a very long time and our ties are close to the bone. Many of us were Southern Independents, part of the Liberty Bowl Alliance, Metro Conference members, charter members of C-USA.

Our history with Houston is not lacking. Our games with Houston nearly always impacted the upper standings if not the conference title. You must be a newbie fan.

Memphis and Southern Miss grew up together. When minimum numbers of DI games were required to stay in the "Big Boy" division, we played each other twice in the same season at times.

East Carolina and Southern Miss have shared so many struggles that we feel like brothers from a different mother. Our games were always meaningful. The only thing that diminishes our rivalry is our geographic dispersion.

Tulane and Southern Miss are not peer institutions and the series was one-sided, but we share a meaningful history that dates back to the '70's, increased with the Metro Conference, and continued to C-USA.

Cincinnati was with us since the Metro days. We played some meaningful games when they started to field good football teams.

Our relationships with USF/UCF were short on time but not in intensity. Much hate was built in a short time due to some extremely meaningful games played with championship implications.

Many fans of the AAC have very short memories. Lowly old Southern Miss has reached depths never seen before in the last couple of years, but it was not too long ago that many of the AAC teams were openly emulating Southern Miss as a formula to become more that what they were. That strategy worked for many of you and you left Southern Miss in the dust. Southern Miss, by associating with the teams that have passed us by could return to their proper place in the world by returning to competition with our long-time peers. This time we would be playing catch-up, but we would be there in no time flat with the right association.

Southern Miss was a charter member in C-USA for one reason and one reason only: to give the league football credibility. Our struggles are new and they could go away quickly. The tradition could be rekindled quickly. We will never have money, but we had and can have again a recognizable and respectable brand that will add quality and value to a conference.

Short memories some people have.

I think you read waaaaaay too much into the word "some". I am well aware of the connection to the old southern indys and even the connections to UH (though we were not in the same division and didn't play one another each year). What I meant by "some" is Temple, Navy, UConn have little connection. The USF connection is fairly minimal as well. Also, keep in mind, two of the schools more strongly "connected" to SMiss are the ones most likely to be gone.

Frankly, after the loss to S Miss in 2011, had we remained, I likely would have had been circling the S Miss date on the calendar. Im certainly aware of the UH-S Miss connection. My issue with S Miss as an addition is not about its history. Its about its future. S Miss has always done more with less, but its money issues appear to be becoming more pronounced. In addition, S Miss used to stand alone as an area alternative to those talented players that didn't get SEC offers. That same recruiting area has become more crowded with FBS alternatives over the last several years and I think that is also having an affect on the S Miss we remember.

Can S Miss rebound? Certainly. Will it be as dominant as they once were? Hmmm. My guess is they will likely be much more up and down than they were in the past. The bottom line is I believe the remaining 10 AAC teams would probably be better off soldiering on as a 10 team league rather than selecting replacements from the available pool at this time. I prefer staying at 10---adding a few non-football schools to rebuild basketball. No need to rush. We wont be in danger of collapse with 10 members. Be patient and keep our powder dry. Over time, somebody will separate themselves from the pack and become the obvious addition. Maybe it will be the Eagles---maybe its someone else.

Most of these upstarts in the Southeast that you mentioned have markets and population. They will never have a BRAND. Southern Miss, with a 3-5 year winning run, passes all of these brand-less, tradition-less schools on any kids recruiting wish list. You can buy facilities... you can buy affiliations... but you cannot buy our tradition. When Southern Miss begins winning again, no kid is going to choose these upstart programs over a once and future brand name in college football.

As to the AAC standing pat at 10, it will not happen. The most likely thing to happen is that the AAC is weakened by realignment and the western schools, including the Coogs are plucked by the MWC. The dominoes will fall from there. Hopefully the next round for USM is a better purgatory than what we are currently in.

Perhaps the MW can poach a bit of the west (I actually like the idea from a quality standpoint if we are poached)---but I don't think it's possible for 5 to 6 years at the earliest. There is a 100 million dollar realignment fund being shared by the AAC. Cinci and Memphis will be leaving their share behind. In fact, Cinci and Memphis will each add a $10-million exit fee making the fund 120 million. That money will flow to the remaining 10 teams over the next 5 years or so. All the money from all those NCAA credits will be left behind by Cinci, Memphis, and the other Big East teams will now be divided by 10 teams (not 12). The 22 million dollar TV deal will be divided 9 ways rather than 11 (Navy has their own deal)---that's nearly a half million dollar raise alone. Any AAC team going to the MW will have PAY a 10 million dollar exit fee to leave these new found cash in-flows behind to earn less money in the MW. I don't see any movement from the AAC until it completely implodes or until the realignment fund money runs out.
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(06-26-2015 10:12 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
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(06-26-2015 05:10 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The consensus is that UConn and BYU are the two most desirable schools in G5 when you consider all factors (academics, athletics, market, national brand).

You conveniently forgot geography.

One major point that nobody is talking about is how to fix the dilution of adding 2 teams. Everyone in the Big 12 loses $1.8 million per year if they add two teams... so I started looking at how to fill that gap and guess who is the MOST likely to do that... Uconn.

That's what we all thought until a couple of days ago. OU's president revealed that their current TV contract calls for an automatic increase to match the per school amount, if the Big 12 decides to add ANY TWO TEAMS.

Bowlsby later confirmed it. I don't have the links handy, but I'm sure somebody does.

Beyond that, the Big 12 still has an issue, b/c about 40% of their total revenue is outside the TV money, and that per share amount would decrease, if the 2 new teams couldn't contribute enough.

But it is nowhere nearly as insurmountable as we all previously thought, and a number of schools would likely be able to make the numbers work..
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They are not expanding everyone has a landing spot but a few
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(06-26-2015 09:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  They are not expanding everyone has a landing spot but a few

That's certainly a likely possibility. It almost happened in 2010. All I'm saying is the current TV contract is not a hindrance, IF they want to add two schools.
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(06-26-2015 08:56 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Why would the MWC want to go to 14? There would be no additional CFP monies, and the year MWC basketball quits getting multiple bids, having 14 teams becomes very expensive.

Hawaii also didn't join the MWC to have it turn into WAC 16. Unless if Hawaii is going away, I don't think the MWC can get the votes to expand into Texas, and even then I would expect substantial resistance from the Western Division schools.

1) the mwc already invited houston and smu.....at any given moment houston/smu can join the MWC.

from andy katz 2 years ago

"The MWC has interest in SMU and Houston, but SMU has let it be known to the MWC it has no interest as the Mustangs and Cougars are set to go to the Big East"

there would be no resistance


2) why you ask?
a) recruiting, most of the mwc are in desolate areas and need texas recruits.. boise probably offers 40 texas recruits a year

b) eastern exposure without going too east

c) both aac and mwc tv deals end in 2019-2020 (4-5 years), adding 2 top 10 tv markets with somewhat namebrands teams will go a long way

d) distribution deals can be redone in drastic changes...or drastic improvements on the field
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I still think that the AAC adds southern team if they lose eg, Memphis and Cincy. HOWEVER,, if they try to add northern schools and Houston and SMU go to the MWC, the AAC would need to backfill 4 schools.

At that point Georgia Southern, ODU, Southern Miss and then one other look attractive.
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(06-26-2015 10:25 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  I still think that the AAC adds southern team if they lose eg, Memphis and Cincy. HOWEVER,, if they try to add northern schools and Houston and SMU go to the MWC, the AAC would need to backfill 4 schools.

At that point Georgia Southern, ODU, Southern Miss and then one other look attractive.

your reaching...Georgia southern and old dominion? Come on, you might as well throw liberty in on your list. Cheers!
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