USM is a great program with tremendous history. In today's world, hiring the right coach is everything. Even Louisville suffered under Kragthorpe, but they made a great hire in Strong. Tennessee is a prime example as well. One bad hire can put a program full of history in jeopardy. Hopefully USM will be back to their rightful place this year...

(06-23-2015 11:17 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 10:05 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Karma is a b#tch. When you fire a coach who devoted his life to Southern Miss football and had 14 straight winning seasons, you are going to feel the consequences. Now USM fans live with that decision. For those that wanted Bower gone, they deserve what USM football is now.

Where was karma in 2011?

Fedora played a watered down schedule. He had one really good year. So USM trades a great coach who would have never left for one good year and then being one of the biggest laughing stocks in college football. Remember 0-12, 1-11 and 3-9. As I said, the USM fans that wanted Bower gone to get to the next level, got their next level. I hope they are enjoying it.

(06-23-2015 06:33 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 03:31 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Bower made his record when the conference was it's best. Some in here will never admit we made a stupid mistake letting him go.

Because most of us aren't whiny little Bower Babies. The mistake wasn't moving on from Bower. The mistake was replacing Fedora with EJ in failed attempt to return to days of Bower Ball. EJ was hired to placate the whiners who didn't like Fedora because he put gel in his hair and wanted another lifer who would coast into retirement while hanging out with the boosters at the End Zone in the off season.

USM rolled the dice that they could make better hires than Bower. Gel boy wasn't any better than Bower. Bower never got a chance to rebuild after a losing season. Those "mediocre" 7-5, 8-4 seasons look pretty damn good these days. USM fans are a delusional bunch. I graduated in 76 from USM and was always proud of USM football. Then some people thought firing Bower was the move to make. Well, Gel boy took the ticket out of town and now USM football sucks the big one. As I said, Karma is a b#tch.

Thank goodness most of our fans aren't the likes of you, LT, and have at least some sense. If they were, it would be time to take up another hobby.

(06-23-2015 07:25 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  its going on 11 years since S.miss was in the same conference as UofL and TCU IT'S TIME TO STOP CRYING OVER IT.

Also lets get another fact vs myth out....it's just as easy today for a CUSA team to make a bigtime/bcs bowl game than it was when uofl and tcu played in CUSA. Actually it's easier 11-1 uofl would have played in a major bowl today playing in CUSA WITH A RANKING OF #6 AND THE BEST THEY GOT was the Liberty Bowl in 2004

All of this crying about S.Miss big wins over Bama or who ever back 10+ years ago has no bearing on any other team in CUSA back then or today other than....SMiss.

S. Miss didn't go 0-12 or be where they are today because of who left CUSA...nope! just like the wins over "named" schools...it's all on them.

Lets get a few facts on the table since this crybaby want to put Rice, UNT and UTEP records out there

when they left CUSA

Cincy had 7 winning season over the last 20 NO RANKINGS

Memphis had 4 winning seasons out of 17 played in CUSA RANKED ONCE AT 25

HOUSTON was ranked 3 out of 17 years while playing in CUSA with 8 winning seasons...also 8 out of their last 22 years by the time they left CUSA

TULANE had 5 winning seasons out of 18 while in CUSA AND 33 OUT OF 111 TOP 25 1 TIME

ECU WINNING RECORD 28 OUT OF 51 YEARS RANKED TWICE

TCU only played 4 years in CUSA



Army 13 TOTAL WINS IN 7 SEASONS WHILE PLAYING IN cusa

So yes the landscape has changed but if it was so great as this whinny person wants us all to think and so bad now...

why did those schools want out at the first chance? At the time most of those schools played in CUSA they were better known for basketball...not football. So if he wants to whine about that I will say he has a case. But there was a good reason uofl wanted out....

11-1 got you a minor bowl game vs Boise State. Today you got a chance at a big payday with 1 loss

I love your sliding scale for stats. 20 years for one school. 17 for another, 111 for another and 51 years.

Last I looked WKU has played in only 3 bowl games in it's 100+ years of existence. Lets use simple, comparative facts.

Cinn: 16 Bowls
Memphis: 7 bowls
Houston: 21 bowls
Tulane: 12 bowls
ECU: 17 bowls

Outside of USM and Marshall you have nothing in history.

WKU has not been FBS for nearly as long as those other schools listed.

(06-23-2015 03:49 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 02:32 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:56 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:23 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:29 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  ...and the conference from 2008-2014 isn't the same as the conference from '01-'07..

I think Bower would have done more in that stretch ('08-'14) than USM got. My guess is Bower would have surpassed the win total from '08-'14 by double digits. He probably would have multiple titles within the current configuration. He'd have his statue by now.

Does any USM fan actually want to argue that Bower couldn't have done better from '08-'14? And, if he was, would that have sent USM to another conference? (Remember, the winless season came at the absolute worst time)

He wouldn't have won more games than Fedora during his four years and it wouldn't have taken much to win more than we have the past three seasons.

Bower went 21-12 in conference play his last four years. Fedora went 20-12. Bower was 8-0 vs UAB and Fedora went 1-3. Apples to apples bower was better

Overall Fedora was 34-19. Bower's last four years 30-21.
If you look beyond the wins and losses, Fedora's teams set records for points and yards every season he was here.

He went 1-3 against Neil fricken Callaway when UAB was on reduced scholarships with enhanced academic requirements. Bower was 8-0 vs UAB teams that had 1st and 2nd round draft picks and reduced academic requirements

Sad that a UAB fan gets it and some USM fans here are just beyond getting it.

Bower - Southern Miss legend. We love him.
Fedora - gel boy. Almost made a BCS bowl. We love him.
He Who Should Not Be Named - 666. Evil.
Monken - 3rd coach on this list that came from being OC at Oklahoma St. Bringing the program back from hell. We love him.

One of us Southern Miss fans "gets it."

SMTTT

Wow. Just wow. We suck and I told you all we would suck! I'm right! Yay! Look at us! We suck! Jeez EagleRock, Sky ain't falling. And playing the blame game never helps. Makes you look really petty.

The winning streaks ended. They were meant to end eventually so we could appreciate them. Bower was done. It was time. Just like M.K. Turk. It was time. They achieved all that they could.

Fedora was a good coach. Hated to see him go. EJ was an unfathomable disaster. We finally had a train wreck worthy of MSU or OM.

For school president, we went from Lucas to Fleming to Thames to Saunders to Bennett in too short of a time and in a messy way. We're paying for that leadership void. It could be worse. Thankfully, we're an excellent university with too many strengths to fail.

(06-23-2015 09:58 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Wow. Just wow. We suck and I told you all we would suck! I'm right! Yay! Look at us! We suck! Jeez EagleRock, Sky ain't falling. And playing the blame game never helps. Makes you look really petty.

The winning streaks ended. They were meant to end eventually so we could appreciate them. Bower was done. It was time. Just like M.K. Turk. It was time. They achieved all that they could.

Fedora was a good coach. Hated to see him go. EJ was an unfathomable disaster. We finally had a train wreck worthy of MSU or OM.

For school president, we went from Lucas to Fleming to Thames to Saunders to Bennett in too short of a time and in a messy way. We're paying for that leadership void. It could be worse. Thankfully, we're an excellent university with too many strengths to fail.

You just made my day with that post. We are the school that has always done more with less. It is in our DNA. A "perfect storm" knocked us off our perch. We took the perfect shot, but we aren't about to forget who we are.
SMTTT

(06-23-2015 09:02 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  All of this crying about S.Miss big wins over Bama or who ever back 10+ years ago has no bearing on any other team in CUSA back then or today other than....SMiss.

Couldn't someone ask you the same question when you post graphs and charts of what WKU did in basketball 15 years ago?

I think it's human nature to look to the distant past when the recent past has not been kind to us. And for the record, I think that what USM managed to accomplish year after year against otherwise solid P5 programs is nothing short of amazing, especially considering the resources at their disposal.

Lets see how can I put this...

NO it's nothing like anything I ever said about Western. That would be about like me blaming the SBC schools for any problem Western had. You wont find a post where I put any blame on a bad season or 2 or 3 on anyone but Western..

The SBC didn;t hold Western back, not even when basketball schools like UAB, VCU, ODU and even Tech were replaced with ULM, Troy, ASU...

Western still had chances to get to the next level of respect..we failed to do that on the court.

Now you will find where I put a lot of blame on espn but not just for Western;s problems, but for all of us when it comes to recruiting and respect.

So try again

It gets tiresome reading how CUSA is the biggest thing holding S. Miss back....

NEWSFLASH! if S Miss was doing their part, like they did when UofL and TCU played in CUSA...this conference would be the best of the G5. So really it's the other way around...S. MISS is the one letting the rest of us down. If you put a 0-12 or 1-11 S. Miss in the same make up as when UofL played in CUSA...it brings CUSA 1.0 down also.

So it's time to stop blaming others and get your own house in order...there's not one of us that hasn't made a bad hire. It's how you pull yourself up after that that makes a program.

But lets clear the air on something...


S. Miss is closer to the schools in the conference today than when TCU and UofL played in CUSA. S.Miss was like the cheapest house in a middle class neighborhood... other words the "white trash" that the rest were trying to get away from. No matter how clean they kept the yard or no matter how many games they won to show they belonged...

to the rest of the neighbors they didn't.

None of that belongs at the doorstep of any school in CUSA today. Nope it belongs to S. Miss just as it did in the 90s, 2000s. The rest of us are trying to make this the best conference in the G5...

that ceiling is the same today just as it was in the years UofL and TCU played in it. No matter who tries to revise the history...CUSA was ALWAYS on the outside looking in.

(06-23-2015 09:34 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 11:17 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 10:05 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Karma is a b#tch. When you fire a coach who devoted his life to Southern Miss football and had 14 straight winning seasons, you are going to feel the consequences. Now USM fans live with that decision. For those that wanted Bower gone, they deserve what USM football is now.

Where was karma in 2011?

Fedora played a watered down schedule. He had one really good year. So USM trades a great coach who would have never left for one good year and then being one of the biggest laughing stocks in college football. Remember 0-12, 1-11 and 3-9. As I said, the USM fans that wanted Bower gone to get to the next level, got their next level. I hope they are enjoying it.

But Fedora wasn't the problem. Hiring a defensive dinosaur who hired an OC who busted as a head coach at Louisiana Lafayette and taking a team built for speed, tempo, and the spread into a pound the ball team killed USM.

Whoever hired Ellis looked at what Fedora had done said hey let's do the opposite.

AState came close to that in 2013 fortunately Harsin fired himself as OC and turned the reins over to a Malzahn holdover or we would have face planted. Johnson didn't have that luxury.

And hiring a staff with an average age 10 years older than Fedora's was a whiz bang choice as well.

So what can we expect from Southern Miss this year? Monken going to put it together?

(06-23-2015 10:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  It gets tiresome reading how CUSA is the biggest thing holding S. Miss back....

NEWSFLASH! if S Miss was doing their part, like they did when UofL and TCU played in CUSA...this conference would be the best of the G5. So really it's the other way around...S. MISS is the one letting the rest of us down. If you put a 0-12 or 1-11 S. Miss in the same make up as when UofL played in CUSA...it brings CUSA 1.0 down also.

So it's time to stop blaming others and get your own house in order...there's not one of us that hasn't made a bad hire. It's how you pull yourself up after that that makes a program.

But lets clear the air on something...


S. Miss is closer to the schools in the conference today than when TCU and UofL played in CUSA. S.Miss was like the cheapest house in a middle class neighborhood... other words the "white trash" that the rest were trying to get away from. No matter how clean they kept the yard or no matter how many games they won to show they belonged...

to the rest of the neighbors they didn't.

None of that belongs at the doorstep of any school in CUSA today. Nope it belongs to S. Miss just as it did in the 90s, 2000s. The rest of us are trying to make this the best conference in the G5...

that ceiling is the same today just as it was in the years UofL and TCU played in it. No matter who tries to revise the history...CUSA was ALWAYS on the outside looking in.

You have issues, and absolutely no clue what you are talking about when it comes to USM, or CUSA.

Grow up and move along. Your a hypocrite, talking about whiny USM fans, as you write you 10th rant on a single issue.

(06-22-2015 10:05 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Karma is a b#tch. When you fire a coach who devoted his life to Southern Miss football and had 14 straight winning seasons, you are going to feel the consequences. Now USM fans live with that decision. For those that wanted Bower gone, they deserve what USM football is now.

As for you, get over your resentment and have a little pride in your alma mater. SMTTT!!!!

(06-24-2015 08:25 AM)MasMack Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 10:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  It gets tiresome reading how CUSA is the biggest thing holding S. Miss back....

NEWSFLASH! if S Miss was doing their part, like they did when UofL and TCU played in CUSA...this conference would be the best of the G5. So really it's the other way around...S. MISS is the one letting the rest of us down. If you put a 0-12 or 1-11 S. Miss in the same make up as when UofL played in CUSA...it brings CUSA 1.0 down also.

So it's time to stop blaming others and get your own house in order...there's not one of us that hasn't made a bad hire. It's how you pull yourself up after that that makes a program.

But lets clear the air on something...


S. Miss is closer to the schools in the conference today than when TCU and UofL played in CUSA. S.Miss was like the cheapest house in a middle class neighborhood... other words the "white trash" that the rest were trying to get away from. No matter how clean they kept the yard or no matter how many games they won to show they belonged...

to the rest of the neighbors they didn't.

None of that belongs at the doorstep of any school in CUSA today. Nope it belongs to S. Miss just as it did in the 90s, 2000s. The rest of us are trying to make this the best conference in the G5...

that ceiling is the same today just as it was in the years UofL and TCU played in it. No matter who tries to revise the history...CUSA was ALWAYS on the outside looking in.

You have issues, and absolutely no clue what you are talking about when it comes to USM, or CUSA.

Grow up and move along. Your a hypocrite, talking about whiny USM fans, as you write you 10th rant on a single issue.

Well that was my 3rd post on the issue and one of those was a response to someone else. I think I understand it more than you do and a lot clearer...

some S Miss fans want to blame everyone and anything but they dont want to look in the mirror. It gets old reading how UNT, Middle, Western, FAU are some of the reasons S. Miss can't win games.

In realty that's part of the problem but it's because today there's more school;s getting more of those kids that the P5 can't take or over look. Not because uofl left 11 years ago. For some S. Miss fans uofl must have been the trophy wife and some of you just can't let go...it's been 11 freaking years. So move on!

There's not many of us (if any) that wouldn't like S Miss to get back to winning. To most of us S.Miss's history hasn't done anything for us...

but drag the conference down. That's the fact of the matter..for most of us. Yet every few months we get the..whinny brat to tell us how good CUSA was and how the rest of us are part of S. Miss's problems and why they can't win.

EVERY loss is on S. Miss not any of us...all of us went through coaching changes. Some 3 or 4 with in the last 6 years. Some went from a spread to the west coast and back to a spread...Western had 4 coaches in the last 6 years.

So as far as growing up and not ranting...

just as soon as these whinny articles stop blaming the rest of us. Because most of us didn't get the benefit from S. Miss beating Bama or winning 10 games. Yet we seem to be the reason you are losing

(06-23-2015 10:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  It gets tiresome reading how CUSA is the biggest thing holding S. Miss back....

NEWSFLASH! if S Miss was doing their part, like they did when UofL and TCU played in CUSA...this conference would be the best of the G5. So really it's the other way around...S. MISS is the one letting the rest of us down. If you put a 0-12 or 1-11 S. Miss in the same make up as when UofL played in CUSA...it brings CUSA 1.0 down also.

So it's time to stop blaming others and get your own house in order...there's not one of us that hasn't made a bad hire. It's how you pull yourself up after that that makes a program.

But lets clear the air on something...


S. Miss is closer to the schools in the conference today than when TCU and UofL played in CUSA. S.Miss was like the cheapest house in a middle class neighborhood... other words the "white trash" that the rest were trying to get away from. No matter how clean they kept the yard or no matter how many games they won to show they belonged...

to the rest of the neighbors they didn't.

None of that belongs at the doorstep of any school in CUSA today. Nope it belongs to S. Miss just as it did in the 90s, 2000s. The rest of us are trying to make this the best conference in the G5...

that ceiling is the same today just as it was in the years UofL and TCU played in it. No matter who tries to revise the history...CUSA was ALWAYS on the outside looking in.

I think you are taking this a little too far. Every program has down seasons. Southern Miss is in the middle of one of those cycles. I know they will work through it. We need to be supportive and pull together. Yes a few of their fans are angry about being left behind. It is no different then how some WKU fans felt when they didn't get called up to C-USA the first time. I'm not sayings we should encourage those rants, but we shouldn't add to the strife either.

I believe Southern Miss will improve and compete for the C-USA West Division. As C-USA continues to prove we are as competitive as the AAC and MWC, I believe most Southern Miss fans will come to like the western division with Rice, UTEP, North Texas, UTSA, and LA Tech.

That's my opinion on the subject.

(06-22-2015 09:46 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  As mentioned in a previous post, the majority of the really bad butthurt is coming from the older generation of alums. Students at G5-member schools now don't know any better. As time goes on, I suspect we'll hear less and less whining about not being P5.

I've said this before, but I don't think people that aren't in Hattiesburg don't realize what goes on in this city for SEC stuff.

Hattiesburg is ~3 hours from Baton Rouge
Hattiesburg is ~3 1/2 hours from Starkville
Hattiesburg is ~3 1/2 hours from Oxford
Hattiesburg is 3 hours down 1-59 from Tuscaloosa

And that's not even counting the Tennessee/UGA/Auburn/Florida fans in this town.

If you're ever in Hattiesburg (for whatever reason) on a college football Saturday and one of the aforementioned schools are playing on TV, go to Mugshots and see how many "SEC" fans are there.

When LSU/Alabama play every year, you can not get a table in that restaurant, and that place holds over 300 people.

Students at USM would rather spend the weekend in Baton Rouge/Starkville/Oxford/Tuscaloosa than stay in Hattiesburg and tailgate and watch USM play FAU or Old Dominion. That's just the way it is, unfortunately.

(06-24-2015 09:21 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 10:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  It gets tiresome reading how CUSA is the biggest thing holding S. Miss back....

NEWSFLASH! if S Miss was doing their part, like they did when UofL and TCU played in CUSA...this conference would be the best of the G5. So really it's the other way around...S. MISS is the one letting the rest of us down. If you put a 0-12 or 1-11 S. Miss in the same make up as when UofL played in CUSA...it brings CUSA 1.0 down also.

So it's time to stop blaming others and get your own house in order...there's not one of us that hasn't made a bad hire. It's how you pull yourself up after that that makes a program.

But lets clear the air on something...


S. Miss is closer to the schools in the conference today than when TCU and UofL played in CUSA. S.Miss was like the cheapest house in a middle class neighborhood... other words the "white trash" that the rest were trying to get away from. No matter how clean they kept the yard or no matter how many games they won to show they belonged...

to the rest of the neighbors they didn't.

None of that belongs at the doorstep of any school in CUSA today. Nope it belongs to S. Miss just as it did in the 90s, 2000s. The rest of us are trying to make this the best conference in the G5...

that ceiling is the same today just as it was in the years UofL and TCU played in it. No matter who tries to revise the history...CUSA was ALWAYS on the outside looking in.

I think you are taking this a little too far. Every program has down seasons. Southern Miss is in the middle of one of those cycles. I know they will work through it. We need to be supportive and pull together. Yes a few of their fans are angry about being left behind. It is no different then how some WKU fans felt when they didn't get called up to C-USA the first time. I'm not sayings we should encourage those rants, but we shouldn't add to the strife either.

I believe Southern Miss will improve and compete for the C-USA West Division. As C-USA continues to prove we are as competitive as the AAC and MWC, I believe most Southern Miss fans will come to like the western division with Rice, UTEP, North Texas, UTSA, and LA Tech.

That's my opinion on the subject.

I told those same WKU fans the same thing I'm saying now...

Western's problems were Western's...we won in every conference we played in, no matter who was in the conference. We also had down years...but it was the result of a bad hire. Not because Troy freaking state was in the conference.

It get old.

Once S Miss starts winning again it will help push this conference to #1 just as when UofL and TCU played in it. There was a ceiling back then and the same one exist today. But till then...they are part of the problem.

I just re-read the article and I feel kind of offended. (lol).

Mainly at his disrespect for the current CUSA lineup. Specifically this, "until recently, Southern Miss could have taken wins over every one of its new conference mates for granted."

If you throw out the horrible USM teams (2012, 2013, 2014), here's how USM has done against current CUSA members since 1970:

Rice (1-2)
UTEP (3-1)
North Texas (3-2)
MTSU (0-1)
Marshall (5-2)
La Tech (10-6)


That's 22-14. Hardly the gimmees he implies, right?

With the horrible USM teams included, they are 34-36 against current CUSA. I think it's time to stop complaining and start competing better with the new league. Then, complain after the assumed domination begins.