Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the last 5 yr
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
MU ATO Offline
THE ONE AND ONLY
*

Posts: 10,685
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 281
I Root For: MU, GCU, U of I
Location: Illinois now WV

Donators
Post: #21
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

WVU's closest conf rival is in Iowa. They are not lucky about anything. They jumped on the first ship out and it just so happened to be the Big 12 driving. If nobody would of stepped up they were ready and set to go independent.
(This post was last modified: 06-12-2015 04:11 PM by MU ATO.)
06-12-2015 03:58 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MU ATO Offline
THE ONE AND ONLY
*

Posts: 10,685
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 281
I Root For: MU, GCU, U of I
Location: Illinois now WV

Donators
Post: #22
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 09:19 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.
Yep, WVU wasn't getting invited to the ACC or Big 10. A good question though is would the AAC have maintained BCS-level status if WVU had remained.

WVU, Cinci, UCONN, USF, UCF, ECU, Houston, Memphis, and Temple is a pretty damn solid core of teams.

WVU was leaving regardless if they had another conf to go to or not.
(This post was last modified: 06-12-2015 04:12 PM by MU ATO.)
06-12-2015 03:59 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MU ATO Offline
THE ONE AND ONLY
*

Posts: 10,685
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 281
I Root For: MU, GCU, U of I
Location: Illinois now WV

Donators
Post: #23
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 10:43 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 10:23 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:58 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  I'm obviously not a member of the WVU fan club, but as someone that interacts with a lot of their fans, it does feel like they were a net loser compared to their situation ten years ago. Ten years ago, they were in a BCS auto conference with historic regional rivalries against Pitt, Syracuse, Va Tech, Maryland, with a legitamite perennial chance at a BCS game. Now, they were forced into a marriage-of-convenience with the Big 12, and their nearest conference mate is a third of the county away. They are not playing any of their regional historic rivals anymore (save for a small series signed with Maryland). And they have lost a lot of aura around their football program as they have been for several years fighting with Iowa State and Kansas to stay out of the Big 12 basement.

I'd say WVU was a net loser because they had about the most ideal setup they could have ever asked for a decade ago... and now they are probably in the most inconvenient fit in all of the P5, with no regional or historic rivalry games, terrible travel, and almost no chance of a major bowl game at the end of the year. But at least they are getting a paycheck...

I'm also no WVU fan, but stating they lost in the latest round of realignment is crazy. They're making tons and tons more money, so, on a long enough timeline, they'll get competitive in the Big 12. They won't be as competitive there as they were in the old Big East, of course, but in exchange for making mountains and mountains of cash, as well as not having to argue the legitimacy of their own conference anymore (especially near the end, the Big East was taking some pretty strong flak for getting a spot at the BCS table), I think they've come out pretty well ahead.

Perhaps, but their fans were definite losers in re-alignment.

Their fans were losers long before that.
06-12-2015 04:06 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BamaScorpio69 Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,602
Joined: Oct 2010
Reputation: 149
I Root For: Non-AQs
Location:
Post: #24
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the last 5 yr
So freaky what WVU is on an island. They get to play OU, Texas, OK State, TCU, Kansas, and Baylor in basketball and football and get 25 mil in conference payout. I'm not seeing loser and I'm sure their fans don't mind.
06-12-2015 04:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
YA! Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 243
Joined: Nov 2007
Reputation: 9
I Root For: TCU
Location:
Post: #25
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the last 5 yr
And as the Big 12 gets further into the media contract, WVU will be getting over $40 million a year.
06-12-2015 04:21 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
USMSTUD Offline
Banned

Posts: 1,032
Joined: Feb 2013
I Root For: Southern Miss
Location:
Post: #26
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 12:33 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

6. Rice, UAB, Southern Miss, Marshall, UTEP.

We should be #1 on that list. We were once in conference that incuded Cincinnati, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, South Carolina and ended up in SunWACUSA.
06-12-2015 04:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Dawgxas Offline
#FreeDeb025

Posts: 6,874
Joined: Jan 2015
I Root For: Louisiana Tech
Location:
Post: #27
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 04:19 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  So freaky what WVU is on an island. They get to play OU, Texas, OK State, TCU, Kansas, and Baylor in basketball and football and get 25 mil in conference payout. I'm not seeing loser and I'm sure their fans don't mind.

That's what I was thinking! The move up and cashed in!
06-12-2015 04:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
AndreWhere Offline
Banned

Posts: 6,189
Joined: Dec 2009
I Root For: Southern Miss
Location: DunwoodY
Post: #28
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 04:24 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 12:33 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

6. Rice, UAB, Southern Miss, Marshall, UTEP.

We should be #1 on that list. We were once in conference that incuded Cincinnati, Florida State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, South Carolina and ended up in SunWACUSA.

It's almost like were not on the list *because nobody gives a **** anymore*. We certainly did get screwed.

I see illegal immigrants wearing Louisville stuff. You couldn't even give our crap away now.
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2015 09:01 AM by AndreWhere.)
06-13-2015 09:00 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
stanman505 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,628
Joined: Mar 2005
Reputation: 108
I Root For: UTEP
Location:
Post: #29
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 04:19 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  So freaky what WVU is on an island. They get to play OU, Texas, OK State, TCU, Kansas, and Baylor in basketball and football and get 25 mil in conference payout. I'm not seeing loser and I'm sure their fans don't mind.

The reason they are a loser is that they were receiving top money before but they had a chance to win their conference and play in a New Years Bowl game. They no longer come close to contending in the Big 12 for football or basketball. Their fans have little chance to attend conference away games in either sport. If it is purely a money thing then they neither won nor lost but when you add the other things in WVU was a big loser.
06-13-2015 09:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
inutech Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,247
Joined: Dec 2014
Reputation: 443
I Root For: Louisiana Tech
Location:
Post: #30
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 10:15 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:58 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  with no regional or historic rivalry games, terrible travel, and almost no chance of a major bowl game at the end of the year.


The same things could be said for most CUSA and AAC teams.

Our travel situation is as good as any. You can't complain about CUSA travel.
06-13-2015 09:05 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
inutech Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,247
Joined: Dec 2014
Reputation: 443
I Root For: Louisiana Tech
Location:
Post: #31
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 12:52 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Could also make the argument that the 2012 WAC football programs that landed in the MWC (Utah State and San Jose State) and C-USA (UTSA) are winners.

Tech was certainly one of the biggest winners. We once played in a WAC where our nearest conference foe was NMSU.
06-13-2015 09:08 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cotton1991 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,665
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 301
I Root For: Memphis
Location: MasonCity North Iowa
Post: #32
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 03:58 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

WVU's closest conf rival is in Iowa. They are not lucky about anything. They jumped on the first ship out and it just so happened to be the Big 12 driving. If nobody would of stepped up they were ready and set to go independent.

If WVU had gone independent they would have had no more chance of being in any Access Bowl or CFP bowl than they have now. But they would be far, far behind in money. It would have been in the same boat as independent BYU. As the article states:

"BYU, not considered part of the Group of 5, needs to finish in the top 10 to have any chance at a major bowl. It's also missing out on lucrative CFP revenue. The MWC distributed $23.5 million to members this year; BYU split less than $1 million with Army and Navy.BYU, not considered part of the Group of 5, needs to finish in the top 10 to have any chance at a major bowl. It's also missing out on lucrative CFP revenue. The MWC distributed $23.5 million to members this year; BYU split less than $1 million with Army and Navy."
06-13-2015 10:15 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Flat Tire 2 Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,103
Joined: Apr 2007
Reputation: 31
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #33
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-12-2015 03:58 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

WVU's closest conf rival is in Iowa. They are not lucky about anything. They jumped on the first ship out and it just so happened to be the Big 12 driving. If nobody would of stepped up they were ready and set to go independent.


Going independent was going to be the suicide course of action for wvu, it wouldn't work for them. In reality, landing in Big 12 was not a bad move for them. The ACC and the other eastern conferences had no interest them. If you were a wvu fan; would you rather have home games with UCF and Memphis or Texas and OU? That is a no brainer since the Big 12 had several teams in the polls. We at Marshall are also stuck in a conference with the same problem with distance as wvu, except we are not getting the same TV money.
06-13-2015 11:19 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Saint Greg Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,111
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 133
I Root For: Louisiana Tech
Location:
Post: #34
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-13-2015 09:08 AM)inutech Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 12:52 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Could also make the argument that the 2012 WAC football programs that landed in the MWC (Utah State and San Jose State) and C-USA (UTSA) are winners.

Tech was certainly one of the biggest winners. We once played in a WAC where our nearest conference foe was NMSU.

Geographically it was good but the WAC was a stronger football conference...even the depleted WAC where we had three teams get ranked in the top 25 at one point or another in the 2012 season.
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2015 11:28 AM by Saint Greg.)
06-13-2015 11:28 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Dawgxas Offline
#FreeDeb025

Posts: 6,874
Joined: Jan 2015
I Root For: Louisiana Tech
Location:
Post: #35
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-13-2015 11:28 AM)Saint Greg Wrote:  
(06-13-2015 09:08 AM)inutech Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 12:52 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Could also make the argument that the 2012 WAC football programs that landed in the MWC (Utah State and San Jose State) and C-USA (UTSA) are winners.

Tech was certainly one of the biggest winners. We once played in a WAC where our nearest conference foe was NMSU.

Geographically it was good but the WAC was a stronger football conference...even the depleted WAC where we had three teams get ranked in the top 25 at one point or another in the 2012 season.

There were some good teams in the WAC. 6th ranked Boise playing in Ruston. Ranked Fresno State under Mark Hill getting beat in Ruston and the goal post coming down. Colin Kapernick (Nevada) literally running from sideline to the other in the same play and scoring. Hawaii's run under June Jones. Then the emergence of Utah State and San Jose State in the latter years of the WAC. After 2005 CUSA wasn't as strong in football as the WAC. But the CUSA hoops is better, more regional rivals and better geographical fit
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2015 12:49 PM by Dawgxas.)
06-13-2015 12:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Side Show Joe Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,005
Joined: Mar 2010
Reputation: 394
I Root For: North Texas
Location: TEXAS
Post: #36
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
To try and list which programs were winners and losers would take too long. I think it is easier and more logical to list each conference and realignments impact on them...

Winners
PAC 12- making more money and has played for the national title
SEC- making more money and won national titles
BIG 10- making more money and won first playoff championship
AAC- making more money and won national titles

Set back by realignmet
BIG 12- lost key members (Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado) and left out of the playoff
MWC- lost key members (TCU, Utah, and BYU), and now have an unsustainable revenue sharing system, but did manage to earn the access bowl spot, but if programs begin to defect over revenue sharing disputes, I would lower them into the "Loser" category
C-USA- lost some key members (ECU, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, UCF, and Tulsa), though the new line-up has out preformed expectations since realignment, but if the new media deal is a disappointment I would lower them into the "Loser" category

Unaffected by realignment
MAC- stable and unchanged, no better, but not any worse

Losers
AAC- lost their most important members (Rutgers, West Virginia, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse), lost their seat at the big boys' table, and even their name
Sun Belt- lost members (MTSU, WKU, North Texas, FIU, FAU, and they lost UTSA before they ever got to play a down in the conference), their conference has been completely shut out of Florida, and have had to patch together the Belt with WAC refugees and FCS programs
BYU and Army- Independents don't really see playoff money


Biggest Loser
The WAC- They got wacked
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2015 03:27 PM by Side Show Joe.)
06-13-2015 03:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CajunFanatico Offline
QDEP
*

Posts: 7,240
Joined: Oct 2013
Reputation: 144
I Root For: Cajuns
Location: In Savacool's head
Post: #37
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-13-2015 03:25 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Sun Belt- lost members (MTSU, WKU, North Texas, FIU, FAU,

04-cheers
06-13-2015 05:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cltnjd Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 15
Joined: May 2015
Reputation: 2
I Root For: Charlotte
Location:
Post: #38
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
I read cotton1991 & flat tire 2's posts about football independence (with regard to wvu). And here's the quote from the article:


BYU. A well-intentioned decision at the time to take football independent has largely backfired. While BYU gained exposure by making its own deal with ESPN, it got stuck in FBS no-man's-land when the CFP replaced the BCS. Whereas Mountain West champ Boise State made the Fiesta Bowl last year with two losses, BYU, not considered part of the Group of 5, needs to finish in the top 10 to have any chance at a major bowl. It's also missing out on lucrative CFP revenue. The MWC distributed $23.5 million to members this year; BYU split less than $1 million with Army and Navy.
The situation is dire enough that coach Bronco Mendenhall recently said joining a Power 5 league "has to happen within three [years]."


BYU seemed to have a nice plan with FBS independence 5 years ago. Their fans liked it, they scheduled well, and they seemed well positioned for high level bowls.

Then the rug got pulled out from under them. No expected CFP payday, at a serious disadvantage for an Access Bowl (can you imagine the uproar if all 5 G5 conferences got repeatedly shut out in favor of indy BYU?), and no more serious talk of P5 expansion. With rumors of the B12 possibly getting a championship game with only 10 members . . . I'm not certain BYU will get that needed P5 invite within 3 years. They may be sweating it out right now.

Why not extend an invitation?

The American & MWC already have a bit of history with BYU. I'm not sure BYU particularly wants to hear, "Well, well, well! Look who's come crawling back!" Plus, the AAC & MW would likely push hard for full membership & lucrative exit fees.

CUSA could offer football only, a CFP payday, and a better opportunity at an Access Bowl berth. Cusa also doesn't tend to burn any bridges with schools looking to move up. We don't need to discourage BYU from pursuing its eventual goal of P5. Their P5 goal would remain alive and well regardless if it's in CUSA or Indy.

BYU would offer a true strength of schedule boost for its members, a nice upgrade in programming content for cusa's big tv markets, and maybe even an extra bowl game.

Is it everything Conference USA wants? No. Is it everything BYU wants? No. But I think it would benefit both parties. If I'm the commish, I tell BYU to enjoy its independence, to keep pushing for its P5 invite, and to schedule ahead as if they'll have a P5 invite with a full slate of P5 conference opponents for 2018. Of course, if things don't work out, I might also plant a seed by saying that CUSA could arrange a full slate of conference opponents for 2018, too.

Thoughts? Has the summer heat made me delusional?
06-13-2015 06:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MU ATO Offline
THE ONE AND ONLY
*

Posts: 10,685
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 281
I Root For: MU, GCU, U of I
Location: Illinois now WV

Donators
Post: #39
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-13-2015 10:15 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 03:58 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

WVU's closest conf rival is in Iowa. They are not lucky about anything. They jumped on the first ship out and it just so happened to be the Big 12 driving. If nobody would of stepped up they were ready and set to go independent.

If WVU had gone independent they would have had no more chance of being in any Access Bowl or CFP bowl than they have now. But they would be far, far behind in money. It would have been in the same boat as independent BYU. As the article states:

"BYU, not considered part of the Group of 5, needs to finish in the top 10 to have any chance at a major bowl. It's also missing out on lucrative CFP revenue. The MWC distributed $23.5 million to members this year; BYU split less than $1 million with Army and Navy.BYU, not considered part of the Group of 5, needs to finish in the top 10 to have any chance at a major bowl. It's also missing out on lucrative CFP revenue. The MWC distributed $23.5 million to members this year; BYU split less than $1 million with Army and Navy."

I'm just repeating the exact same thing I said years ago before WVU left which was a result of being friends with several Sons of multiple high level WVU loving boosters. After their final Big East football game that year it was clear that WVU would never play another Big East game again and this was before any Big 12 invite. I was told this in one instance and in another I was in the room as his Dad was on a call with some other WVU lover and we heard the convo. I personally didn't give a shi what WVU did but at the time it fit perfectly into the mold of nobody wanting to be in "new" Big East which wasn't the Big East in any way.

I posted it on here at that time that WVU would never play another Big east game back when all the CUSAers jumping ship thought they were off to the promised land. I only repeat what I'm told.
06-13-2015 07:33 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
MU ATO Offline
THE ONE AND ONLY
*

Posts: 10,685
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 281
I Root For: MU, GCU, U of I
Location: Illinois now WV

Donators
Post: #40
RE: Interesting article on the winners & losers from conference realignment the la...
(06-13-2015 11:19 AM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 03:58 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 08:44 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Losers:

1. Cincy and UConn
2. BYU
3. West Virginia
4. Idaho and New Mexico State
5. Boise State

I disagree. WVU would be a member of the AAC right now if the B12 hadn't bailed them out. They got lucky. And while Boise is no better off, they aren't any worse off either.

Throw those two off the list and add Southern Miss.

WVU's closest conf rival is in Iowa. They are not lucky about anything. They jumped on the first ship out and it just so happened to be the Big 12 driving. If nobody would of stepped up they were ready and set to go independent.


Going independent was going to be the suicide course of action for wvu, it wouldn't work for them. In reality, landing in Big 12 was not a bad move for them. The ACC and the other eastern conferences had no interest them. If you were a wvu fan; would you rather have home games with UCF and Memphis or Texas and OU? That is a no brainer since the Big 12 had several teams in the polls. We at Marshall are also stuck in a conference with the same problem with distance as wvu, except we are not getting the same TV money.


Again I was just repeating now as I did then at that time. WVU was done and it just worked out that the Big 12 came. They were also supposed to stay another year and they were gone which I also told to the Big East loving CUSA Ship jumpers.

Same distance?
Iowa State is 13 hours away from the hole.

Marshall has ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, and other school well within that time frame.
06-13-2015 07:39 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.