(06-08-2015 05:50 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 03:46 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Limited.

UNLV vs. Tulane.

Temple vs. San Diego State

These games just won't resonate with Joe Sixpack...

Most of the games would be UNLV v. San Diego St./BYU/Boise/AFA and Tulane v. Houston/Memphis/SMU/Tulsa/Navy and Temple v. UConn/Cincinnati/UCF/USF/ECU - ie, status quo. There would be relatively few UNLV v. Tulane type games. And, for every Temple v. SDSU, there's UCF v. BYU and Boise v. Cincinnati.

IMO, you would get plenty of UCF and other eastern AAC fans that would watch UNLV v. San Diego St. and especially BYU-UNLV and Boise-SDSU and AFA-Navy BECAUSE they are now AAC games and potentially affect your team - and likewise, plenty of BYU and other western AAC fans would watch UCF v. ECU and Cincinnati v. UConn and AFA-Navy because they are now in the same conference and potentially affect your team.

THAT is a big part of the expanded AAC's special sauce. Instead of separate conferences in differing regions of the country that don't really care about each other - you build a nationwide conference where you develop nationwide interest because the games affect your team.

I wish more BYU fans thought your way.

(06-08-2015 06:10 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  The ignorance in this thread is strong.

UNLV has great support in Las Vegas and is a great university. For some reason though y'all just do not get out and support your football program like you do your basketball. Boise State, Fresno State, BYU, and Air Force average more than you for football. While San Diego State does not great attendance, they have San Diego and are the only player in town plus they the American is use to NFL stadiums. I do think UNLV would be a back up or even an American 24 team conference.

WEST
San Diego State
Fresno State
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
Air Force State

SOUTH
Tulsa
Rice
Houston
SMU
UTEP
Louisiana

EAST
Southern Miss
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
East Carolina

NORTH
Cincinnati
Temple
Connecticut
UMASS
Army
Navy

(06-08-2015 07:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:10 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  The ignorance in this thread is strong.

UNLV has great support in Las Vegas and is a great university. For some reason though y'all just do not get out and support your football program like you do your basketball. Boise State, Fresno State, BYU, and Air Force average more than you for football. While San Diego State does not great attendance, they have San Diego and are the only player in town plus they the American is use to NFL stadiums. I do think UNLV would be a back up or even an American 24 team conference.

WEST
San Diego State
Fresno State
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
Air Force State

SOUTH
Tulsa
Rice
Houston
SMU
UTEP
Louisiana

EAST
Southern Miss
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
East Carolina

NORTH
Cincinnati
Temple
Connecticut
UMASS
Army
Navy

Every time you add Rice in your line up, I just can't take you seriously. We have Houston, the idea is to expand our coverage, not overlap it.

You have 24 teams in this configuration, that's impossible with the number of games played in a season today. The most you can have is 20 teams and still play a 9 game Conference schedule. Anything beyond that and you're going into a 10-11 game conference schedule. That's not going to fly when teams make money off of Home Games. Many schools want {need} the OOC games.

(06-08-2015 03:12 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 03:07 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 02:55 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 08:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Under the premise of an 18 team, 3 division all sports conference that includes:

East
• UConn
• Temple
• ECU
• Cinci
• UCF
• USF
  

Central
• Tulsa
• Navy
• Tulane
• Houston
• SMU
• Memphis
  

West
• Air Force
• BYU
• San Diego State
• UNLV
• Colorado State
• Boise State
  

Pick the appropriate option in the poll, related to tv viewership, in regards to both College Football and College Basketball

First off, look at DMA's. Drop Boise and add Fresno State. That increases your potential viewership by 4mil households. Second UNLV is a terrible add but, I understand their location and BB value as well as the Bowl game tie-in.

These adds are paired with travel partners. Boise + BYU much greater mutual interest than Fresno + BYU. The DMA difference is really a wash considering Fresno's out-of-the-way location.

UNLV, in terms of athletic budget and financial investment, is rivaled only by UConn. With a mandate that they invest in football, they could be a homerun add.

4 mil viewers come contract discussion time isn't a wash.

Travel partners:
West:
SDSU / Fresno St. {Almost same distance to UNLV}
UNLV / BYU {Nearest Schools}
Colorado St. / Air Force {Nearest Schools}
Central:
Tulsa / SMU {Second Nearest Schools}
Tulane / Houston {Second Nearest School}
Memphis / Navy {Closest Division Mate}
East:
South Florida / UCF {Nearest School}
UConn / Temple {Nearest School}
UC / ECU {Next Closest}

Done.

Fresno States out of the way location???? Please check a map.

have you ever been to Fresno? I'm assuming not. Been there several times (all army related) and its extremely hard to fly into. You can't fly directly into Fresno from any eastern cities...you fly to San Jose and drive a long time. I don't need to look at a map. I've been there.

(06-08-2015 08:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  have you ever been to Fresno? I'm assuming not. Been there several times (all army related) and its extremely hard to fly into. You can't fly directly into Fresno from any eastern cities...you fly to San Jose and drive a long time. I don't need to look at a map. I've been there.

Ahem, Phoenix, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Los Vegas, Sand Diego, Denver and Los Angeles have connecting flights to and from Fresno Yosemite International Airport.

(06-08-2015 07:56 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:10 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  The ignorance in this thread is strong.

UNLV has great support in Las Vegas and is a great university. For some reason though y'all just do not get out and support your football program like you do your basketball. Boise State, Fresno State, BYU, and Air Force average more than you for football. While San Diego State does not great attendance, they have San Diego and are the only player in town plus they the American is use to NFL stadiums. I do think UNLV would be a back up or even an American 24 team conference.

WEST
San Diego State
Fresno State
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
Air Force State

SOUTH
Tulsa
Rice
Houston
SMU
UTEP
Louisiana

EAST
Southern Miss
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
East Carolina

NORTH
Cincinnati
Temple
Connecticut
UMASS
Army
Navy

Every time you add Rice in your line up, I just can't take you seriously. We have Houston, the idea is to expand our coverage, not overlap it.

You have 24 teams in this configuration, that's impossible with the number of games played in a season today. The most you can have is 20 teams and still play a 9 game Conference schedule. Anything beyond that and you're going into a 10-11 game conference schedule. That's not going to fly when teams make money off of Home Games. Many schools want {need} the OOC games.

Rice is an AAU school and has been playing Division 1 football longer than USF has been a school. They have a lot of money, great baseball, and can grow their football and basketball program with just a great hire like SMU did. Also Rice gives Houston back its rival and gives the American the entire Houston market.

Also with 24 schools, you would just play everyone in your division (5 games), one game against other teams in other divisions (3 games), and one permanent cross over / rivalry game (1 game). Then three non-conference games. That gives you 12 total games. Then get a waiver from the NCAA and play a semi-final on campus and then play the championship game the week later.

(06-08-2015 08:15 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 08:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  have you ever been to Fresno? I'm assuming not. Been there several times (all army related) and its extremely hard to fly into. You can't fly directly into Fresno from any eastern cities...you fly to San Jose and drive a long time. I don't need to look at a map. I've been there.

Ahem, Phoenix, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Los Vegas, Sand Diego, Denver and Los Angeles have connecting flights to and from Fresno Yosemite International Airport.

I gotta ask you again USFRamenu, Have YOU ever been to Fresno or it's airport? I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. If you've been there you'll know what I mean. It's a ridiculous price to pay to take a puddle jumper not big enough for a football team. The schools you mentioned have fans reading this that can maybe back up what I'm saying.YNOT, are you reading this? Can you explain to him why flying from Provo/Salt lake is not really possible for fans either?

(06-08-2015 09:15 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:56 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 07:33 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 06:10 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  The ignorance in this thread is strong.

UNLV has great support in Las Vegas and is a great university. For some reason though y'all just do not get out and support your football program like you do your basketball. Boise State, Fresno State, BYU, and Air Force average more than you for football. While San Diego State does not great attendance, they have San Diego and are the only player in town plus they the American is use to NFL stadiums. I do think UNLV would be a back up or even an American 24 team conference.

WEST
San Diego State
Fresno State
UNLV
Boise State
BYU
Air Force State

SOUTH
Tulsa
Rice
Houston
SMU
UTEP
Louisiana

EAST
Southern Miss
UCF
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
East Carolina

NORTH
Cincinnati
Temple
Connecticut
UMASS
Army
Navy

Every time you add Rice in your line up, I just can't take you seriously. We have Houston, the idea is to expand our coverage, not overlap it.

You have 24 teams in this configuration, that's impossible with the number of games played in a season today. The most you can have is 20 teams and still play a 9 game Conference schedule. Anything beyond that and you're going into a 10-11 game conference schedule. That's not going to fly when teams make money off of Home Games. Many schools want {need} the OOC games.

Rice is an AAU school and has been playing Division 1 football longer than USF has been a school. They have a lot of money, great baseball, and can grow their football and basketball program with just a great hire like SMU did. Also Rice gives Houston back its rival and gives the American the entire Houston market.

Also with 24 schools, you would just play everyone in your division (5 games), one game against other teams in other divisions (3 games), and one permanent cross over / rivalry game (1 game). Then three non-conference games. That gives you 12 total games. Then get a waiver from the NCAA and play a semi-final on campus and then play the championship game the week later.

What's the point of being in a conference with a school if you only play them in your own stadium once every 12 years? That's what would happen with a 24 team conference.

I am an old fart. If a game is on after 11pm I'm not watching. Usually not after 10pm.

I watch less and less non ECU games every year. I might be slightly more interested in the west games if we were all in one league, but their start times would pretty much eliminate me from watching them.

(06-09-2015 08:09 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 08:15 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 08:05 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  have you ever been to Fresno? I'm assuming not. Been there several times (all army related) and its extremely hard to fly into. You can't fly directly into Fresno from any eastern cities...you fly to San Jose and drive a long time. I don't need to look at a map. I've been there.

Ahem, Phoenix, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Los Vegas, Sand Diego, Denver and Los Angeles have connecting flights to and from Fresno Yosemite International Airport.

I gotta ask you again USFRamenu, Have YOU ever been to Fresno or it's airport? I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. If you've been there you'll know what I mean. It's a ridiculous price to pay to take a puddle jumper not big enough for a football team. The schools you mentioned have fans reading this that can maybe back up what I'm saying.YNOT, are you reading this? Can you explain to him why flying from Provo/Salt lake is not really possible for fans either?

I've never flown into Fresno, but my understanding is that it's a nice, small airport that connects to about 10 destinations, mostly in the West, but also Mexico and DFW. Mostly small planes and flights - like Horizon and SkyWest and Delta Connection and other express flights. These flights are limited and most of the air traffic is private.

I believe it is fairly easy for the TEAMS to fly in and out of Fresno Yosemite Airport.

Provo similarly has a small airport that connects to many of the same 10 or so destinations as Fresno on express carriers and flights - and it is quite convenient for private flights for the TEAMS.

However, FANS generally fly in and out of SLC - as it is a real airport with all the major airlines and commercial flights. It's not that big of a deal, because it's about 40 minutes between SLC and Provo - and many BYU fans live or have family closer to SLC anyway.

The closest airport for many FANS attending Fresno games is San Jose - about a 2.5 hour drive away. Some western fans (and even DFW fans) could potentially fly directly into Fresno, but the options are usually pretty limited.

You guys crack me up

Let's forget the school with the third most wins in the country over the past 5 season, a BCS Bowl appearance, a heisman finalist, and a .500 win percentage against P5 schools over that time!

(06-09-2015 11:38 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  You guys crack me up

Let's forget the school with the third most wins in the country over the past 5 season, a BCS Bowl appearance, a heisman finalist, a .500 win percentage against P5 schools, and 15,000 average attendance in a terrible oversaturated market.

You forgot something.

(06-09-2015 08:12 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  What's the point of being in a conference with a school if you only play them in your own stadium once every 12 years? That's what would happen with a 24 team conference.

I agree that 24 teams is too many - but from the business perspective, having SDSU and UCF and Boise and Temple in the same conference makes sense, even if SDSU and UCF and Boise and Temple hardly ever play each other outside of the CCG.

(06-09-2015 08:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I am an old fart. If a game is on after 11pm I'm not watching. Usually not after 10pm.

Glad it isn't just me. I don't look down on them or think the western teams are worse, I just fall asleep by 11 lol

(06-09-2015 02:30 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 11:38 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  You guys crack me up

Let's forget the school with the third most wins in the country over the past 5 season, a BCS Bowl appearance, a heisman finalist, a .500 win percentage against P5 schools, and 15,000 average attendance in a terrible oversaturated market.

You forgot something.

So one year of averaging 15,000 after many years of averaging 20k plus is a deal breaker? It's kind of hard to average more fans when your opening home game is against Presbyterian during a terrential downpour, two Saturday home games against bottom feeder MAC teams, and two mid week night games in the blistering cold in November. I am sure your attendance would suffer playing Tues/Wed night games in November as well.

(06-09-2015 03:58 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 02:30 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 11:38 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  You guys crack me up

Let's forget the school with the third most wins in the country over the past 5 season, a BCS Bowl appearance, a heisman finalist, a .500 win percentage against P5 schools, and 15,000 average attendance in a terrible oversaturated market.

You forgot something.

So one year of averaging 15,000 after many years of averaging 20k plus is a deal breaker? It's kind of hard to average more fans when your opening home game is against Presbyterian during a terrential downpour, two Saturday home games against bottom feeder MAC teams, and two mid week night games in the blistering cold in November. I am sure your attendance would suffer playing Tues/Wed night games in November as well.

15,000-20,000 same thing

(06-09-2015 02:36 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:12 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  What's the point of being in a conference with a school if you only play them in your own stadium once every 12 years? That's what would happen with a 24 team conference.

I agree that 24 teams is too many - but from the business perspective, having SDSU and UCF and Boise and Temple in the same conference makes sense, even if SDSU and UCF and Boise and Temple hardly ever play each other outside of the CCG.

What a hodge podge of teams. What do those 4 teams have in common?

I really don't see the fascination for a nationwide league. The MWC schools don't bring in more viewers than the AAC schools, and the $$ is not likely to change much.

(06-09-2015 05:02 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 02:36 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:12 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  What's the point of being in a conference with a school if you only play them in your own stadium once every 12 years? That's what would happen with a 24 team conference.

I agree that 24 teams is too many - but from the business perspective, having SDSU and UCF and Boise and Temple in the same conference makes sense, even if SDSU and UCF and Boise and Temple hardly ever play each other outside of the CCG.

What a hodge podge of teams. What do those 4 teams have in common?

The point is that the status quo for the current AAC lineup and schedule would change little. You might switch out Temple v. Tulsa for Temple v. SDSU and UCF v. Tulane for UCF v. Boise, but otherwise, things largely remain the same.

The difference is that Boise, SDSU, UCF, and Temple now compete for the American conference championship and American all-conference awards and honors. That increases interest in San Diego for what is happening in the East division and in Orlando for what is happening in the West division. Right now, the San Diego market cares little for the American and the Orlando market has no eyeballs on MWC West play.

For the casual football fan, they care about the Boise v. UCF matchup because they see the winner will be on the Selection Committee radar.

IMO, this synergy will directly result in better TV ratings and more exposure for the conference and its members. This is how the American can stay relevant without a seat at the P5 table.