Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)


Poll: Why you don't want Liberty.
Theology
Private School
Internet School
Student Requirements
I approve
[Show Results]
 
Post Reply 
Why do you disapprove of Liberty
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
GaSouthern Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 2,429
Joined: May 2011
Reputation: 102
I Root For: Georgia So.
Location:
Post: #61
Why do you disapprove of Liberty
I think they are the most obvious answer to our 12 team football problem and they would have been ready for the 2016 season. I like the fact that so many people get pissed off talking about them as a school, it would make the games more heated and interesting.
06-08-2015 08:06 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ValleyBoy Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 2,169
Joined: Oct 2010
Reputation: 56
I Root For: GaSo,Troy
Location: Alabama
Post: #62
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
I have no problem with Liberty. It would be alright with me if Liberty is invited but them against I have no problems if Liberty is not invited.
06-08-2015 08:11 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Buzz Lightyear Lite Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 719
Joined: May 2011
Reputation: 21
I Root For: TROY
Location:
Post: #63
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-07-2015 06:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I didn't vote. You should have put

"Discriminates in employment, staffing, and admissions based upon RELIGION and sexual orientation"

as an option.

I don't think "Theology" covers that. Because the Bible doesn't say "Don't hire Gays or Jews"

typically I want to stay out of anything that is remotely religiously controversial.....Have there been documented cases of people applying to positions at Liberty who are Gay or Jewish have not been hired if their credentials are there for the position they are applying? I am not trying to cause trouble I just can not see where hiring at any institution would get away with that practice. I would doubt many of any group would apply to work in a place where the choices they make privately would be looked as sinful......and I would doubt a practicing Jewish person would necessarily apply to work at a school that is primarily evangelical.....However I see that later one as not really an issue to teach....lets say chemistry or physics or a whole lot of other sciences???? This is a sincere question that I have.....If there is discrimination on these fronts as you assert then I would have opposition to Liberty....If there is not then I would as previously stated welcome them to conference.
06-08-2015 08:20 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TheRevSWT Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,502
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 133
I Root For: Bobcats!
Location:
Post: #64
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-08-2015 04:37 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 02:19 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  The better question is why is anyone not have a problem with Liberty?

Because everyone is not a closed minded liberal that thinks that the only acceptable views on life are those on the extreme left.

[Image: 1355355194531419935troll-md.png]
06-08-2015 08:35 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TroyFootball05 Offline
1987 Man of the Year
*

Posts: 10,669
Joined: Feb 2009
Reputation: 585
I Root For: Good Times
Location: 8-Bit Pizza Bar
Post: #65
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
I had a big problem previously with Liberty. I watch a few basketball and baseball games a year, but I'm a football only guy for the most part. After getting Appalachian State and Georgia Southern, the bar for FCS move ups was set almost unreasonably high, with NDSU the only team in that class of FCS super powers.

After Liberty beat App and had another year near or in the Top 25, I've changed my tune a little. If they can have another great year, I'm all for Liberty joining the SBC.
06-08-2015 09:17 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TrueBlueDrew Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,551
Joined: Jun 2014
Reputation: 486
I Root For: Jawjuh Suthen
Location: Enemy Turf
Post: #66
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
I'm actually ok with adding liberty. Out of all the potential candidates for the SBC they're really the only ones who are ready for the move and ready now. They have excellent facilities (something really no other candidate has yet), a large budget, a fan base and admin that want to be in the SBC (cough cough JMU), recent athletic ability in the FCS, a recognizable brand name in academics. All other prospects like EKU, Coastal, and MSU would have to do some serious projects, pull money out of thin air, and put an FBS level fan base together before the move. I don't care about Liberty's theology. They're a private institution and they can do what they want. The only thing I have against Liberty is that they have so much money and in a world that's ruled by it, they can easily pay their way to the top with the best facilities and buying the best coaches and eventually buying the best players. One of the reasons I've been wary of GaSt ever since they started a team. But all the positives out weigh the negatives. Liberty is the best solution for us.
06-08-2015 09:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JoeJag Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 6,060
Joined: Jul 2009
Reputation: 180
I Root For: South Alabama
Location: Up the hill from USA
Post: #67
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
Well, I guess you pro-Liberty folks just might be on to something, but I know that the SBC is only a stepping stone to bigger and better things for them. With all of that filthy lucre, maybe they could convince the NCAA to let them go FBS and become an independent and be partners with BYU, Notre Dame and Army.
(This post was last modified: 06-08-2015 09:56 AM by JoeJag.)
06-08-2015 09:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ark30inf Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,639
Joined: Oct 2007
Reputation: 588
I Root For: Arkansas State
Location:
Post: #68
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-08-2015 07:36 AM)T-Dog Wrote:  Arkansas State AD Terry Mohajir has brought up if Liberty could recruit and field competitive Sun Belt teams with their Honor Code. That's not conjecture of a message board poster, that's the opinion of a Sun Belt AD.
Yes, they could. There are a lot of great Christian athletes, and they have the money for COA and primo facilities to attract them if they want.

But do they belong in a league of relatively resource poor public institutions that have state restrictions on athletics and state mandated transparency?

As for being "ready", FAU and FIU were not ready, WKU was not ready, and now everyone cries to get back with them. Hell, A-State was not ready.

If they want to act like a public institution in order to join a public institution league....fine. If not, invite a public university that shares the same issues and problens we all do warts and all.
06-08-2015 09:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ark30inf Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,639
Joined: Oct 2007
Reputation: 588
I Root For: Arkansas State
Location:
Post: #69
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
I'm also tired of getting caught up in generic accusations of religious bigotry just because I'm opposed to Liberty.
06-08-2015 09:59 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #70
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
I'm fine if Liberty is invited.

They are investing, they are serious about athletics, as a fan that's all that matters to me but I am not a university CEO, I have a different set of responsibilities and people I answer to than they do.
06-08-2015 10:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #71
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-08-2015 09:55 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 07:36 AM)T-Dog Wrote:  Arkansas State AD Terry Mohajir has brought up if Liberty could recruit and field competitive Sun Belt teams with their Honor Code. That's not conjecture of a message board poster, that's the opinion of a Sun Belt AD.
Yes, they could. There are a lot of great Christian athletes, and they have the money for COA and primo facilities to attract them if they want.

But do they belong in a league of relatively resource poor public institutions that have state restrictions on athletics and state mandated transparency?

As for being "ready", FAU and FIU were not ready, WKU was not ready, and now everyone cries to get back with them. Hell, A-State was not ready.

If they want to act like a public institution in order to join a public institution league....fine. If not, invite a public university that shares the same issues and problens we all do warts and all.

AState absolutely wasn't ready and we paid a steep price for it.

The private thing cuts both ways. Liberty doesn't have to disclose what it is spending so our schools can't look and see what they are doing but by the same token, an AD or coach can throw out a number and say Liberty is spending this and I need to as well and we cannot look and see if that is a valid comment or just some rumor swirling through coaches circles or among AD's.
06-08-2015 10:16 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
runamuck Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,962
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 31
I Root For: uta
Location: DFW
Post: #72
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-07-2015 08:24 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  Problem with that logic is that Liberty was an on campus school quite a ways before it was an on line school. The difference is that Liberty does both well. Liberty was also one of the very first to do online and is way ahead of the curve. So many other on campus schools are now following suit.

The results of this poll make it clear that these issues rest with a scant few bitter folks. Most realize this is an athletics conversation and that Liberty would fit in quite well.

uta doesnt tout the online students when promoting the school. they show the 36,000 or so on campus but if you dig deeper they will say over 48,000 total counting the 12,000+ online students. large enough without stretching
06-08-2015 10:26 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Usajags Offline
Sun Belt Nationalist
*

Posts: 9,540
Joined: Dec 2011
Reputation: 269
I Root For: South Alabama
Location: Jaguar Nation
Post: #73
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-07-2015 03:13 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Having to drink out of a solo cup while tailgating at Furman & Sanford, you learn to hate dealing with these private schools due this pretentious facade they like to put up.

(06-08-2015 10:26 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(06-07-2015 08:24 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  Problem with that logic is that Liberty was an on campus school quite a ways before it was an on line school. The difference is that Liberty does both well. Liberty was also one of the very first to do online and is way ahead of the curve. So many other on campus schools are now following suit.

The results of this poll make it clear that these issues rest with a scant few bitter folks. Most realize this is an athletics conversation and that Liberty would fit in quite well.

uta doesnt tout the online students when promoting the school. they show the 36,000 or so on campus but if you dig deeper they will say over 48,000 total counting the 12,000+ online students. large enough without stretching

Large enough to restart football, and a lot of this conversation goes away. It's all up to UTA to fix this problem.
06-08-2015 10:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The4thOption Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,071
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 39
I Root For: GeorgiaSouthern
Location:
Post: #74
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
I do believe that Liberty is going to make it to FBS one way or another.

When that happens, it will not matter if they are in our conference, another one or independent. The fears of those believing that they are going to steal coaching staffs etc, will happen or will not happen no matter where they are in FBS at the time.

Our coaches will be no more/less at risk by being in the same conference with them or not. I believe that if our staffs are that good, a P5 could already poach them and such staffs might be leery of going to Liberty instead of a P5.

I have no concern about what their degree is worth or how much it is or is not respected. That seriously has no effect on me or other conference member degrees. Nobody thinks more of a Kentucky degree because Vanderbilt is in their conference, or less of a Vanderbilt degree just because uga is in their conference (04-cheers ). We are talking ONLY about Athletics.

Can they bring a crowd to "Our House"?
Can they provide a game day home atmosphere that is worth traveling to?
Can they compete enough to not drag the conference's SOS down?
Can they win OOC against CUSA and other G5s?
Do they add a good market that could help our TV contract?

What available program doesn't have these question marks?
06-08-2015 10:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Libertygrad01 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 919
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 12
I Root For: Liberty & UK
Location: Cincinnati
Post: #75
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
Those are very good questions. Questions that are fair and should be asked.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App
06-08-2015 11:07 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ark30inf Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,639
Joined: Oct 2007
Reputation: 588
I Root For: Arkansas State
Location:
Post: #76
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-08-2015 10:38 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  I do believe that Liberty is going to make it to FBS one way or another.

When that happens, it will not matter if they are in our conference, another one or independent. The fears of those believing that they are going to steal coaching staffs etc, will happen or will not happen no matter where they are in FBS at the time.

Our coaches will be no more/less at risk by being in the same conference with them or not. I believe that if our staffs are that good, a P5 could already poach them and such staffs might be leery of going to Liberty instead of a P5.

I have no concern about what their degree is worth or how much it is or is not respected. That seriously has no effect on me or other conference member degrees. Nobody thinks more of a Kentucky degree because Vanderbilt is in their conference, or less of a Vanderbilt degree just because uga is in their conference (04-cheers ). We are talking ONLY about Athletics.

Can they bring a crowd to "Our House"?
Can they provide a game day home atmosphere that is worth traveling to?
Can they compete enough to not drag the conference's SOS down?
Can they win OOC against CUSA and other G5s?
Do they add a good market that could help our TV contract?

What available program doesn't have these question marks?
Vanderbilt is Vanderbilt. Liberty is Liberty. They are not the same. If Liberty had the same private school FBS motivations that Vandy does, my worries would be lessened. Vandy does not see football as their primary ticket to national respect...and never will.

Vandy's conference is also not our conference. Vandy's fellow conference members are blindingly rich.. we are poor. Vandy's private status has much less potential impact on a bunch of gold-plated state flagships in a premier conference.

The Vandy/Liberty comparisons are absurd. Just stop.

I had a rich roommate once. He had a great stereo and that was cool, but he also felt entitled to play Hells Bells at volume 10 at 7:00 every morning and thought he could rearrange the place whenever he wanted and tell me not to invite my friends over because he had more stuff.

Sometimes its better to live with people who have more in common with you.
06-08-2015 11:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Libertygrad01 Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 919
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 12
I Root For: Liberty & UK
Location: Cincinnati
Post: #77
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
Don't worry, I can guarantee you that liberty won't be playing Hell's Bells.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App
06-08-2015 11:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bobcat87 Offline
San Marvelous Cat
*

Posts: 10,509
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 358
I Root For: TXST, A&M, UNT
Location: Texas
Post: #78
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-08-2015 11:37 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Don't worry, I can guarantee you that liberty won't be playing Hell's Bells.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

. . . .And that's why I don't want you . . . .
06-08-2015 11:39 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The4thOption Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,071
Joined: Oct 2011
Reputation: 39
I Root For: GeorgiaSouthern
Location:
Post: #79
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-08-2015 11:27 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 10:38 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  I do believe that Liberty is going to make it to FBS one way or another.

When that happens, it will not matter if they are in our conference, another one or independent. The fears of those believing that they are going to steal coaching staffs etc, will happen or will not happen no matter where they are in FBS at the time.

Our coaches will be no more/less at risk by being in the same conference with them or not. I believe that if our staffs are that good, a P5 could already poach them and such staffs might be leery of going to Liberty instead of a P5.

I have no concern about what their degree is worth or how much it is or is not respected. That seriously has no effect on me or other conference member degrees. Nobody thinks more of a Kentucky degree because Vanderbilt is in their conference, or less of a Vanderbilt degree just because uga is in their conference (04-cheers ). We are talking ONLY about Athletics.

Can they bring a crowd to "Our House"?
Can they provide a game day home atmosphere that is worth traveling to?
Can they compete enough to not drag the conference's SOS down?
Can they win OOC against CUSA and other G5s?
Do they add a good market that could help our TV contract?

What available program doesn't have these question marks?
Vanderbilt is Vanderbilt. Liberty is Liberty. They are not the same. If Liberty had the same private school FBS motivations that Vandy does, my worries would be lessened. Vandy does not see football as their primary ticket to national respect...and never will.

Vandy's conference is also not our conference. Vandy's fellow conference members are blindingly rich.. we are poor. Vandy's private status has much less potential impact on a bunch of gold-plated state flagships in a premier conference.

The Vandy/Liberty comparisons are absurd. Just stop.

I had a rich roommate once. He had a great stereo and that was cool, but he also felt entitled to play Hells Bells at volume 10 at 7:00 every morning and thought he could rearrange the place whenever he wanted and tell me not to invite my friends over because he had more stuff.

Sometimes its better to live with people who have more in common with you.

I think you missed the point ark30





I'm not comparing the two, I'm not saying that they are anything a like. The could hardly be more different.
I'm saying that the Academic respect of one, no more rubs off on conference mates anymore than the potential lack their of, of the other would on its conference mates.

Neither Liberty's Academic nor Politics would be ascribed to other member's of their conference. Only their ability to compete on Athletic fields/courts is going to translate into any rankings or public opinions of our institutions. If they are good, our SOS and conference power rankings will rise. If not, it will sink.

This is my only concern with Liberty.
06-08-2015 12:09 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
theothermav Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 80
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 2
I Root For: Rutabaga
Location:
Post: #80
RE: Why do you disapprove of Liberty
(06-08-2015 10:26 AM)runamuck Wrote:  uta doesnt tout the online students when promoting the school. they show the 36,000 or so on campus but if you dig deeper they will say over 48,000 total counting the 12,000+ online students. large enough without stretching

According to Liberty U:
Residential enrollment: over 13,500
Online enrollment: over 95,000

William McRaven, UT system chancellor, is not a proponent of online education.
06-08-2015 12:10 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.