I agree.... plus USF just invested a ton of cash and is building another residential area that not only includes housing but will have a publix on campus. So were continuing the trend of having more students on campus. Just a BS term, but the truth is I dont even care. I went to USF back in 2000 when we were really high in the number of commuters... it was still a great school with great academics. Who gives a crap where the students come from.

(06-07-2015 10:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I dont understand the knock on the term "commuter" school. So what if a school is one. USF is a nice campus but Id rather live down by the beach or channel and drive to school.

USF has three to four HUGE apartment complexes that are literally across the stree. roughly 100 ft from campus, but since we do not own them, they do not count as residential. The term is really stupid because we have such a high percentage of kids that live within 2 miles of the campus. If thats "commuting" then so be it. I dont care.

I agree with you, if at there are apartments within walking distance of campus even if located off campus they should be considered residential. I also agree the term is really stupid, and used primarily to put down a school just as the term "directional" is when a person can't address issues related to schools on their merits. Although it hasn't seemed to hurt USC as in "Southern" California, or "Northwestern," etc....

(06-07-2015 10:26 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 10:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I dont understand the knock on the term "commuter" school. So what if a school is one. USF is a nice campus but Id rather live down by the beach or channel and drive to school.

USF has three to four HUGE apartment complexes that are literally across the stree. roughly 100 ft from campus, but since we do not own them, they do not count as residential. The term is really stupid because we have such a high percentage of kids that live within 2 miles of the campus. If thats "commuting" then so be it. I dont care.

See the term for what it is. It's an attempted slant towards another in an attempt to make themselves look better. In this instance the term was used in an attempt to make South Florida appear lesser then UCF yet by all their determining factors, South Florida was more of a "Residential Campus" then UCF. However, both by definition and determining factors shown to be "Residential Campuses" by the sites own matrix. UCF and South Florida are no more Commuter schools then any other major university. If someone states they are then, just refer to the number of "On-Line Classes" their schools offer. Enough said.

It was a BS post referring to a BS site and should not be taken seriously. I didn't and that's why I didn't respond to it earlier.

I agree, USF in no more a commuter school than UCF is.

Only 35% of UCLA's students live "on-campus" and that institution seems to be well respected. I "commuted" to the University of Memphis back in the late 60's (I lived in an apartment 2 miles away) and make no apologies for it.

UCF has 11,593 university-managed beds - by far tops in Florida - plus thousands and thousands of off-campus beds surrounding the university.


University House



The Retreat



Sterling/The Marquee



Plaza on University



Plus...

Northgate Lakes
Tivoli
The Edge
Campus Crossings Alafaya
Campus Crossings
The Village at Alafaya Club
The Village at Science Drive
The Lofts
Orion on Orpington
Riverwind
Riverpark
Boardwalk

...among many, many others.

(06-05-2015 08:09 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Per College Board research:

schools with nice apartment complex nearby

San Diego State University
University of Memphis
University of Cincinnati
University of Houston
University of South Florida
Temple University


schools where students live in closets

Brigham Young University
University of Central Florida
Tulane University
University of Tulsa
University of Connecticut
United States Naval Academy
Southern Methodist University
East Carolina University



Source: CollegeBoard.org

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Just do the math. Think of all the people you know/knew at your school and think of how many of them were from the county or counties surrounding it. In my entire time at UCF, I could count on one hand the number of students I met that had homes nearby... and even then they all lived on campus. I never met a single student that lived at home and drove to school.

Don't get me wrong, UCF is still very much a state/regional university and still working on becoming more national (i.e. UCLA, Tulane, etc.) but the commuter moniker has long since applied.

Interesting, though, that the College Board - which administers the SAT and AP exams - disclosed that the information came from the universities themselves.

(06-07-2015 03:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 08:09 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Per College Board research:

schools with nice apartment complex nearby

San Diego State University
University of Memphis
University of Cincinnati
University of Houston
University of South Florida
Temple University


schools where students live in closets

Brigham Young University
University of Central Florida
Tulane University
University of Tulsa
University of Connecticut
United States Naval Academy
Southern Methodist University
East Carolina University



Source: CollegeBoard.org

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lol, not quite. My 4/4 at UCF was plenty big, I had my own bathroom, a full kitchen, and was within walking distance of the UCF Arena and UCF Football Stadium.

This thread has devolved into total BS nonsense.

(06-07-2015 09:30 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:08 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 09:07 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 08:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 08:26 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  See here's the thing, I wouldn't be going to just any ole BillyBobby to seek their counsel on whether UCF will get an invite to the b-12, besides me questioning that, Or BillyBobby's opinion on that will have absolutely no impact upon the ultimate decision. Now if the commissioner of the B-12 happens to be named BillyBobby I just might have to rethink this whole thing.

Hahaha....your catching on. My name is Billy Bobby Bowlsby. Seriously though, I've been to Orlando and know UCF better than you know ECU or any single Big 12 school. I've been to sporting events, classes and most importantly LIVED in several of the places including on campus in Ames (Iowa St) Norman (Oklahoma) Greenville...I'll stop. I know what a college in a college town looks like and I know what a comcomuter school looks like. My opinion, but my opinion is based on experience, not the internet. I'm sure you can tell me all about basic training by reading about it online...I experienced it. Does that count for anything in your mind? Cheers!

Strangely my bother I too have certain life experiences with living in what are considered to be college towns (Athens Ga., Gainesville Fl.) and I don't need to research basic training online as I've been through it (ft. Jackson S.C.) then Ait (ft. Sam Houston) in San Antonio, then Tripler Army Medical Center, then 3/4 Cavalry Scofield Barracks Hawaii. What other assumptions do you care to make? Is UCF in a college town, perhaps not, but that doesn't make them a commuter school. You should know by virtue of your professed life experiences that just because a school is located in a metro area it doesn't automatically make them commuter school. Btw, UCF is located 14 miles East of Orlando with the closest town being Union Park, its own little enclave. Commuter schools are not defined by location, but rather what percentage of their student populations "commute" to school. What's next are you going to tell me that Texas is a commuter school because Austin has a population of roughly 865,000 people? Cheers!

your taking this a little too personally, so I guess I should have said "one" not "you" when making my point. "one" can read about something on the internet (college board.org) and one can live at the various college towns. You say, "id rather take college board.org thoughts on the subject than a guy named billybobby". You insult me and then try to make your points to 1 up me. I'm glad you went to relaxin Jackson (joke before you go all crazy) and have had similar experiences as me, I guess if you want to believe UCF isn't a commuter school you can my friend. I think it is,and it reminds me nothing of any current big 12 schools but again you will "take college board.org's opinion over some guy named billybobby"

I'm not really taking this thing too personally but perhaps it may seem so. When you say you know "UCF better than I know ECU or any b-12 school" without knowing anything about me it just strikes me as profoundly presumptuous. My wife was born and raised In N.C. And we go back every year and travel extensively throughout the state we refer to as "Gods country." UCF may not be located in a lazy laid back little town that many would call a college town but again that doesn't make it a commuter school. It used to be, however over the last 10 years with all of the changes to the infrastructure on campus that has changed. When I went back to campus about three years ago, I almost didn't recognize the place. While UCF's campus isn't filled with traditional brick buildings covered in Ivy, it has a much more modern contemporary presence. I remember one particular experience that changed my opinion on this matter, it was after the Houston game that UCF won when OKorn passed incomplete into the endzone off of Greenbery's hands (sorry Houston fans) walking out of the stadium back to our car we saw the vast majority of the crowd making their way up and onto the abundant housing/apartment units constructed on campus. By the time we made it back to our car after a 30 minute walk the crowd had thinned to about 100th of its original size. I don't know what your experience with UCF is, but if you ever attend a Thursday night game at Brighthouse stadium I would wager your opinion on this matter would do an abrupt 180. While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I would point out that UCF used to be considered a commuter school by the very same site, so it begs the question what has changed. The answer is the housing that has recently been built up on campus and immediately outside of campus. Btw, I get a kick out of that whole BillyBobby thing, it reminds me of RickyBobby, and no I would not seek out Will Ferrell's character for advice on anything other than nascar.

I understand brother. I like BHS and have commended UCF for the incredible achievement of getting it built and the basketball arena in a short period of time when the citrus dump pulled that BS on you guys. I'm glad UCF is making progress on the campus. I was taking some shots At the websites criteria for deciding between commenter vs residential. (Namely ignoring the part time students when calculating their stats) I just don't consider the website Gospel. UCF is different than an Anthens or a Eugene or a Madison, not saying it's a bad campus; different definitely but Maybe I have a biased opinion of what a college is supposed to look like.. Peace brother.

(06-07-2015 03:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  This thread has devolved into total BS nonsense.

Welcome to the board. Oh wait you've been around here forever! ?

(06-07-2015 03:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 03:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  This thread has devolved into total BS nonsense.

Welcome to the board. Oh wait you've been around here forever! ?

Yep and it still surprises me how quickly threads can devolve on this board

They are actually arguing number of beds on campus. Please God can we fast forward to August already. These commuter schools are driving us CRAZY.

(06-07-2015 10:20 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I dont understand the knock on the term "commuter" school. So what if a school is one. USF is a nice campus but Id rather live down by the beach or channel and drive to school.

USF has three to four HUGE apartment complexes that are literally across the stree. roughly 100 ft from campus, but since we do not own them, they do not count as residential. The term is really stupid because we have such a high percentage of kids that live within 2 miles of the campus. If thats "commuting" then so be it. I dont care.

This post doesn't count because you're making too much sense.

(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  They are actually arguing number of beds on campus. Please God can we fast forward to August already. These commuter schools are driving us CRAZY.

hahaha...nice

(06-07-2015 03:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 09:30 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-07-2015 07:08 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 09:07 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2015 08:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Hahaha....your catching on. My name is Billy Bobby Bowlsby. Seriously though, I've been to Orlando and know UCF better than you know ECU or any single Big 12 school. I've been to sporting events, classes and most importantly LIVED in several of the places including on campus in Ames (Iowa St) Norman (Oklahoma) Greenville...I'll stop. I know what a college in a college town looks like and I know what a comcomuter school looks like. My opinion, but my opinion is based on experience, not the internet. I'm sure you can tell me all about basic training by reading about it online...I experienced it. Does that count for anything in your mind? Cheers!

Strangely my bother I too have certain life experiences with living in what are considered to be college towns (Athens Ga., Gainesville Fl.) and I don't need to research basic training online as I've been through it (ft. Jackson S.C.) then Ait (ft. Sam Houston) in San Antonio, then Tripler Army Medical Center, then 3/4 Cavalry Scofield Barracks Hawaii. What other assumptions do you care to make? Is UCF in a college town, perhaps not, but that doesn't make them a commuter school. You should know by virtue of your professed life experiences that just because a school is located in a metro area it doesn't automatically make them commuter school. Btw, UCF is located 14 miles East of Orlando with the closest town being Union Park, its own little enclave. Commuter schools are not defined by location, but rather what percentage of their student populations "commute" to school. What's next are you going to tell me that Texas is a commuter school because Austin has a population of roughly 865,000 people? Cheers!

your taking this a little too personally, so I guess I should have said "one" not "you" when making my point. "one" can read about something on the internet (college board.org) and one can live at the various college towns. You say, "id rather take college board.org thoughts on the subject than a guy named billybobby". You insult me and then try to make your points to 1 up me. I'm glad you went to relaxin Jackson (joke before you go all crazy) and have had similar experiences as me, I guess if you want to believe UCF isn't a commuter school you can my friend. I think it is,and it reminds me nothing of any current big 12 schools but again you will "take college board.org's opinion over some guy named billybobby"

I'm not really taking this thing too personally but perhaps it may seem so. When you say you know "UCF better than I know ECU or any b-12 school" without knowing anything about me it just strikes me as profoundly presumptuous. My wife was born and raised In N.C. And we go back every year and travel extensively throughout the state we refer to as "Gods country." UCF may not be located in a lazy laid back little town that many would call a college town but again that doesn't make it a commuter school. It used to be, however over the last 10 years with all of the changes to the infrastructure on campus that has changed. When I went back to campus about three years ago, I almost didn't recognize the place. While UCF's campus isn't filled with traditional brick buildings covered in Ivy, it has a much more modern contemporary presence. I remember one particular experience that changed my opinion on this matter, it was after the Houston game that UCF won when OKorn passed incomplete into the endzone off of Greenbery's hands (sorry Houston fans) walking out of the stadium back to our car we saw the vast majority of the crowd making their way up and onto the abundant housing/apartment units constructed on campus. By the time we made it back to our car after a 30 minute walk the crowd had thinned to about 100th of its original size. I don't know what your experience with UCF is, but if you ever attend a Thursday night game at Brighthouse stadium I would wager your opinion on this matter would do an abrupt 180. While you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I would point out that UCF used to be considered a commuter school by the very same site, so it begs the question what has changed. The answer is the housing that has recently been built up on campus and immediately outside of campus. Btw, I get a kick out of that whole BillyBobby thing, it reminds me of RickyBobby, and no I would not seek out Will Ferrell's character for advice on anything other than nascar.

I understand brother. I like BHS and have commended UCF for the incredible achievement of getting it built and the basketball arena in a short period of time when the citrus dump pulled that BS on you guys. I'm glad UCF is making progress on the campus. I was taking some shots At the websites criteria for deciding between commenter vs residential. (Namely ignoring the part time students when calculating their stats) I just don't consider the website Gospel. UCF is different than an Anthens or a Eugene or a Madison, not saying it's a bad campus; different definitely but Maybe I have a biased opinion of what a college is supposed to look like.. Peace brother.

Same to you my brother.

From my experience he people who throw out the "commuter school" label either never actually went to college or have not visited many (if any) college campuses outside of their own.

As someone else noted earlier, if you strictly apply the definition of commuter school as a university where more students live off campus than on campus even schools like UCLA, Minnesota and Ohio State can be defined as commuter campuses (yet nobody considers these schools commuter schools.

I think the label people are trying to throw on schools like Cincinnati, USF and Houston is suitcase campus. Suitcase campuses are schools that have little to no type of resident life program, little to no greek system and where the students pack up the car and head home on the weekends. I can't speak for other schools in the AAC but I can tell you that does not describe the University of Cincinnati (I imagine that is not the case at USF, UCF or Houston either). We do have a few suit case campuses in Ohio (Wright State, Cleveland State, Youngstown State among a few).

(06-08-2015 08:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  From my experience he people who throw out the "commuter school" label either never actually went to college or have not visited many (if any) college campuses outside of their own.

As someone else noted earlier, if you strictly apply the definition of commuter school as a university where more students live off campus than on campus even schools like UCLA, Minnesota and Ohio State can be defined as commuter campuses (yet nobody considers these schools commuter schools.

I think the label people are trying to throw on schools like Cincinnati, USF and Houston is suitcase campus. Suitcase campuses are schools that have little to no type of resident life program, little to no greek system and where the students pack up the car and head home on the weekends. I can't speak for other schools in the AAC but I can tell you that does not describe the University of Cincinnati (I imagine that is not the case at USF, UCF or Houston either). We do have a few suit case campuses in Ohio (Wright State, Cleveland State, Youngstown State among a few).

You are right on with this post. There is no way to house the student populations we have collectively. Small liberal arts colleges can but most state/larger universities can't because they were founded when the urban sprawl wasn't as big a factor. We have to grow the the population of the state. It is very difficult to continue increasing beds when the land you have was designed for a much smaller university. For us that is an advantage we have had as a younger university.