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If an undefeated Marshall was being going to get the access spot, then an undefeated Boise would get no matter what schedule they played.

I really hate to say it, but it's either Boise in or this won't work.
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(05-27-2015 08:27 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Sweet baby Jesus not another thread

Seriously, so tired of this re-hashing of the exact same idea 03-banghead
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(05-27-2015 09:16 AM)Bull Wrote:  If an undefeated Marshall was being going to get the access spot, then an undefeated Boise would get no matter what schedule they played.

I really hate to say it, but it's either Boise in or this won't work.

An undefeated Marshall might have gotten in over a 3 loss MWC or AAC team. I still think Marshall would have been left out.
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(05-26-2015 12:37 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  To make sure we covered our bases a possible conference would look like this:

American East
UCONN
Cincinnati
NIU
ECU
UCF
USF
Temple
Navy

American West
Memphis
UH
SMU
Boise
BYU
AF
SDSU
Col St.

10 teams from AAC out of 16? And you left out Fresno, Utah St, and Tulsa, two of which are good football schools and all three of which are decent basketball schools.
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(05-27-2015 10:10 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 12:37 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  To make sure we covered our bases a possible conference would look like this:

American East
UCONN
Cincinnati
NIU
ECU
UCF
USF
Temple
Navy

American West
Memphis
UH
SMU
Boise
BYU
AF
SDSU
Col St.

10 teams from AAC out of 16? And you left out Fresno, Utah St, and Tulsa, two of which are good football schools and all three of which are decent basketball schools.

Don't need Utah St if we have BYU. NIU and Boise don't need to be included either. Need to include Tulane, Tulsa, Fresno.
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(05-26-2015 05:01 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 02:21 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 01:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 01:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  IMO, the New American should look to expand by adding a western scheduling division/pod.

The short list to add:

- BYU (good TV ratings, nationwide following, good football, decent market, good bball)
- Air Force (decent TV ratings, nationwide following, decent football, good market, poor bball)
- Boise St. (good TV ratings, strong regional following, great football, poor market, decent bball)
- Army (great TV ratings, nationwide following, poor football, excellent market, [football only])
- San Diego St. (fair TV ratings, mediocre following, decent football, California market, great basketball)

Also under consideration:
- Fresno St. (decent TV ratings, decent following, good football, California market, poor bball)
- Colorado St. (poor TV ratings, decent following, decent football, good market, decent bball)
- Northern Illinois (fair TV ratings, fair following, good football, great market, poor bball)
- New Mexico (poor TV ratings, fair following, poor football, decent market, great bball)
- UNLV (poor TV ratings, poor following, poor football, decent market, great bball)
- UTEP (poor TV ratings, decent following, fair football, decent market, decent bball)
- UTSA (poor TV ratings, fair following, poor football, good market, poor bball)

So you are saying keep the AAC in tact and add the best of from the list above? I'd be fine with that too. Tulane and Tulsa would be happy haha.

Precisely. It would be much easier to just keep the American conference in place and add to it.

And, even the best conferences have weak football teams - see Vanderbilt, Indiana, Wake Forest, Washington St., Colorado, Kansas, Iowa St., etc. Tulane and Tulsa fit this role well and bring strong academics and respectability in other sports.

Plus, New Orleans (#51-641K TV households) and Tulsa (#60-530K TV households) are decent markets that make a lot of geographical sense for fostering rivalries and Olympic sports with Houston, SMU, and Memphis.

(05-26-2015 03:26 PM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  I believe logically the move will be to go to 16. The following would neuter the MWC and CUSA.

East:
ECU
Cincy
UCF
USF
Marshall
Temple
Memphis
UCONN

West:
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Houston
Boise St.
Air Force
San Diego St
Navy

Boise, Air Force and San Diego have already refused that invite.

Boise, AF and San Diego State refused an invite from the old Big East under much different circumstances. This would be an invite from the AAC wherein the dynamics are much different.
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East

Uconn
Ucf
Usf
Cincy
Ecu
Temple
Navy
Memphis
Tulane

West

Bsu
Hou
Smu
Sdsu
Fresno
Afa
Unlv
Unm
Hawaii
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In years past Temple football would have been left off all lists. So that's progress.
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(05-27-2015 09:28 AM)rollgreenwave Wrote:  
(05-27-2015 08:27 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Sweet baby Jesus not another thread

Seriously, so tired of this re-hashing of the exact same idea 03-banghead

That's nice dear. Some of us aren't tired of this topic, as evidenced by the number of views/posts in this thread. You don't have to open up a particular thread.
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(05-26-2015 03:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 02:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 01:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  So you are saying keep the AAC in tact and add the best of from the list above? I'd be fine with that too. Tulane and Tulsa would be happy haha.

Anymore than 18 is too much.

IMO, a great result would be to add Army (football only), BYU, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, and Fresno.

The AAC would have:

- ALL the best TV ratings getters (Army, Navy, Air Force, Boise St., UConn, BYU, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, ECU, USF, and Fresno)

- ALL the best in attendance (BYU, ECU, UCF, Army, Fresno, Boise, Memphis, Navy, SDSU, USF)

- excellent football competition (Boise, UCF, Cincinnati, BYU, ECU, Houston, Fresno, Memphis, Navy)

- excellent potential markets if the New American is a success - two teams in each of California, Texas, and Florida, plus teams in or near 70% of the top-10 Nielsen TV markets - NYC, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Dallas, Bay Area, DC, and Houston, plus other top-60 markets Tampa, Denver, Orlando, Baltimore, San Diego, Hartford, Salt Lake City, Cincinnati, Memphis, New Orleans, Fresno, and Tulsa.

- great basketball (UConn, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, SDSU, BYU)

- synergies of a nationwide conference

The MWC would be left with:

Colorado St.
Utah St.
Nevada
Wyoming
UNLV
New Mexico
SJSU
Hawaii

That's still a decent basketball conference. Football would still have a chance for an undefeated team to finish as the highest-rated G5 champion

But the New American would hands down be a quality conference in both football and basketball and would take the Access bid most years and would have at least legitimate shot at the CFP - even more so when the CFP grows to 8 teams in the 2020's.

I like your spirit YNOT, you are the 1 BYU fan who wants BYU in the AAC. Question, when Bronco said that BYU needs to be in a conference in 3 years and Tom Holmone backed that assessment up, do you think that makes it more likely that BYU will join the AAC in a few years barring a P5 invite? Cheers!
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(05-27-2015 08:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 03:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 02:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 01:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  So you are saying keep the AAC in tact and add the best of from the list above? I'd be fine with that too. Tulane and Tulsa would be happy haha.

Anymore than 18 is too much.

IMO, a great result would be to add Army (football only), BYU, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, and Fresno.

The AAC would have:

- ALL the best TV ratings getters (Army, Navy, Air Force, Boise St., UConn, BYU, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, ECU, USF, and Fresno)

- ALL the best in attendance (BYU, ECU, UCF, Army, Fresno, Boise, Memphis, Navy, SDSU, USF)

- excellent football competition (Boise, UCF, Cincinnati, BYU, ECU, Houston, Fresno, Memphis, Navy)

- excellent potential markets if the New American is a success - two teams in each of California, Texas, and Florida, plus teams in or near 70% of the top-10 Nielsen TV markets - NYC, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Dallas, Bay Area, DC, and Houston, plus other top-60 markets Tampa, Denver, Orlando, Baltimore, San Diego, Hartford, Salt Lake City, Cincinnati, Memphis, New Orleans, Fresno, and Tulsa.

- great basketball (UConn, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, SDSU, BYU)

- synergies of a nationwide conference

The MWC would be left with:

Colorado St.
Utah St.
Nevada
Wyoming
UNLV
New Mexico
SJSU
Hawaii

That's still a decent basketball conference. Football would still have a chance for an undefeated team to finish as the highest-rated G5 champion

But the New American would hands down be a quality conference in both football and basketball and would take the Access bid most years and would have at least legitimate shot at the CFP - even more so when the CFP grows to 8 teams in the 2020's.

I like your spirit YNOT, you are the 1 BYU fan who wants BYU in the AAC. Question, when Bronco said that BYU needs to be in a conference in 3 years and Tom Holmone backed that assessment up, do you think that makes it more likely that BYU will join the AAC in a few years barring a P5 invite? Cheers!

And if BYU joined the AAC, would that be enough to pull Boise, and co? I bet it would. Boise would not get a sweetheart deal so who knows if they would want to come or not. But I can see them wanting in if BYU is in the mix...esp if the SDSU's, AF's, and Col St are vocal about joining BYU.
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(05-27-2015 08:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-27-2015 08:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 03:29 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 02:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(05-26-2015 01:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  So you are saying keep the AAC in tact and add the best of from the list above? I'd be fine with that too. Tulane and Tulsa would be happy haha.

Anymore than 18 is too much.

IMO, a great result would be to add Army (football only), BYU, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, and Fresno.

The AAC would have:

- ALL the best TV ratings getters (Army, Navy, Air Force, Boise St., UConn, BYU, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, ECU, USF, and Fresno)

- ALL the best in attendance (BYU, ECU, UCF, Army, Fresno, Boise, Memphis, Navy, SDSU, USF)

- excellent football competition (Boise, UCF, Cincinnati, BYU, ECU, Houston, Fresno, Memphis, Navy)

- excellent potential markets if the New American is a success - two teams in each of California, Texas, and Florida, plus teams in or near 70% of the top-10 Nielsen TV markets - NYC, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Dallas, Bay Area, DC, and Houston, plus other top-60 markets Tampa, Denver, Orlando, Baltimore, San Diego, Hartford, Salt Lake City, Cincinnati, Memphis, New Orleans, Fresno, and Tulsa.

- great basketball (UConn, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, SDSU, BYU)

- synergies of a nationwide conference

The MWC would be left with:

Colorado St.
Utah St.
Nevada
Wyoming
UNLV
New Mexico
SJSU
Hawaii

That's still a decent basketball conference. Football would still have a chance for an undefeated team to finish as the highest-rated G5 champion

But the New American would hands down be a quality conference in both football and basketball and would take the Access bid most years and would have at least legitimate shot at the CFP - even more so when the CFP grows to 8 teams in the 2020's.

I like your spirit YNOT, you are the 1 BYU fan who wants BYU in the AAC. Question, when Bronco said that BYU needs to be in a conference in 3 years and Tom Holmone backed that assessment up, do you think that makes it more likely that BYU will join the AAC in a few years barring a P5 invite? Cheers!

And if BYU joined the AAC, would that be enough to pull Boise, and co? I bet it would. Boise would not get a sweetheart deal so who knows if they would want to come or not. But I can see them wanting in if BYU is in the mix...esp if the SDSU's, AF's, and Col St are vocal about joining BYU.

F Boise. Turn them into Marshall west.
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SDSU,Fresno,UNLV ,BYU and stop there.
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(05-28-2015 08:36 AM)FUB Wrote:  SDSU,Fresno,UNLV ,BYU and stop there.

BYU is not joining a G5 conference while Utah is in a P5 conference. Replace them with Air Force or Colorado State. 18 (2 more schools) keeps Tulane in the east though.
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don41 -

How is the current imaginary invitation different from the actual Big East invitation from a coupla years ago? Not trolling here. As a MW alumnus, I'm lurking on this board, seeing what the well-resourced 5 and less-resourced 5 schools think about conference issues. Could you elaborate on the reasons BSU and SDSU would finalize/consummate the invitation to join the AAC?

Thanks...
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By the way, you've all provided a lot of interesting ideas and rationales for inviting some MW schools. I see the logic there. I chuckle at some of the impressions the AAC fans have of MW schools, as they're mirrored by MW fans and AAC schools. We're all in this together.
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(05-28-2015 01:49 PM)All Rams All The Time Wrote:  By the way, you've all provided a lot of interesting ideas and rationales for inviting some MW schools. I see the logic there. I chuckle at some of the impressions the AAC fans have of MW schools, as they're mirrored by MW fans and AAC schools. We're all in this together.

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(05-27-2015 08:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I like your spirit YNOT, you are the 1 BYU fan who wants BYU in the AAC. Question, when Bronco said that BYU needs to be in a conference in 3 years and Tom Holmone backed that assessment up, do you think that makes it more likely that BYU will join the AAC in a few years barring a P5 invite? Cheers!

Absolutely. If BYU admin feel that getting into a conference is better than independence and no P5 invite, the American is the most likely destination.

First, they will be able to sell it WAY better to fans, alumni, and donors than a return to the MWC.

Second, the American footprint fits nicely in BYU's nationwide schedules. (in just the last 3 season, BYU has travelled to Indiana (x2), Georgia, Virginia, Texas(x2), Wisconsin, Connecticut, Florida(x2), and Tennessee - in addition to California, Idaho, Nevada, and New Mexico).

Third, BYU and AAC both have ESPN TV contracts. Makes transition fairly straightforward.

Fourth, BYU and AAC have already worked together on bowl games and scheduling.

Regarding BillyBob's question - If BYU is interested in the AAC, it would be fairly easy to bring along Boise St. and whoever else makes sense from the AAC. BYU and Boise are just three games into a TWELVE-game annual series. IMO, if BYU can pull off the win this year, this series finally becomes an official rivalry. The teams would be 2-2 in the last four years - 3 of the 5 games so far have been decided by a FG or less.

Having a conference game and bowl affiliations in California would be important for both BYU and Boise. So, SDSU and Fresno - but especially SDSU - would be on their shortlist for inclusion.

Personally, I would like to see BYU and at least Boise St., SDSU, and Air Force join. Despite the chop blocks, there is something special and it gives a little more meaning to a game when you see all the men and women in uniform and veterans as part of the game day atmosphere. And, AFA and Navy in the same conference would be a great branding opportunity for the American conference - and that would be fun to be part of.
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(05-28-2015 01:49 PM)All Rams All The Time Wrote:  By the way, you've all provided a lot of interesting ideas and rationales for inviting some MW schools. I see the logic there. I chuckle at some of the impressions the AAC fans have of MW schools, as they're mirrored by MW fans and AAC schools. We're all in this together.

great point. Yes, I'm assuming that fans of both the AAC and the MWC think that either conference can take the teams they want from the other. I doubt either conference's fan base ever gets their way on the issue but its fun to talk about:)
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When Boise beats BYU this year they will have a 4-1 advantage over BYU, you need to recheck your numbers.

(05-28-2015 02:01 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(05-27-2015 08:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I like your spirit YNOT, you are the 1 BYU fan who wants BYU in the AAC. Question, when Bronco said that BYU needs to be in a conference in 3 years and Tom Holmone backed that assessment up, do you think that makes it more likely that BYU will join the AAC in a few years barring a P5 invite? Cheers!

Absolutely. If BYU admin feel that getting into a conference is better than independence and no P5 invite, the American is the most likely destination.

First, they will be able to sell it WAY better to fans, alumni, and donors than a return to the MWC.

Second, the American footprint fits nicely in BYU's nationwide schedules. (in just the last 3 season, BYU has travelled to Indiana (x2), Georgia, Virginia, Texas(x2), Wisconsin, Connecticut, Florida(x2), and Tennessee - in addition to California, Idaho, Nevada, and New Mexico).

Third, BYU and AAC both have ESPN TV contracts. Makes transition fairly straightforward.

Fourth, BYU and AAC have already worked together on bowl games and scheduling.

Regarding BillyBob's question - If BYU is interested in the AAC, it would be fairly easy to bring along Boise St. and whoever else makes sense from the AAC. BYU and Boise are just three games into a TWELVE-game annual series. IMO, if BYU can pull off the win this year, this series finally becomes an official rivalry. The teams would be 2-2 in the last four years - 3 of the 5 games so far have been decided by a FG or less.

Having a conference game and bowl affiliations in California would be important for both BYU and Boise. So, SDSU and Fresno - but especially SDSU - would be on their shortlist for inclusion.

Personally, I would like to see BYU and at least Boise St., SDSU, and Air Force join. Despite the chop blocks, there is something special and it gives a little more meaning to a game when you see all the men and women in uniform and veterans as part of the game day atmosphere. And, AFA and Navy in the same conference would be a great branding opportunity for the American conference - and that would be fun to be part of.
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