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(08-21-2015 04:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Memphis ain't Alabama. Football has NEVER made ANY money.

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(08-21-2015 04:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Memphis ain't Alabama. Football has NEVER made ANY money.

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Not the point. The point is, what do you have if you have Memphis without Football?

You have Murray State.
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(08-21-2015 04:47 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 04:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Memphis ain't Alabama. Football has NEVER made ANY money.

Got that? NOT EVER!

Past Performance is Not Necessarily Indicative of Future Results

Tell that to mob forming to ditch Pastner. 03-lmfao
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(08-21-2015 04:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Memphis ain't Alabama. Football has NEVER made ANY money.

Got that? NOT EVER!

Memphis isn't Alabama: however Football did operate in the black during the Spook Murphy ERA. Memphis also had an IPF before Alabama, Bear Bryant used the IPF to practice for the Liberty Bowl.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before spouting your venon.04-rock
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(08-21-2015 05:05 PM)tiger68 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 04:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Memphis ain't Alabama. Football has NEVER made ANY money.

Got that? NOT EVER!

Memphis isn't Alabama: however Football did operate in the black during the Spook Murphy ERA. Memphis also had an IPF before Alabama, Bear Bryant used the IPF to practice for the Liberty Bowl.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before spouting your venon.04-rock

You are incorrect.

Spook ran off Bartow because he was making too much money.
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(08-21-2015 05:08 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 05:05 PM)tiger68 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 04:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Memphis ain't Alabama. Football has NEVER made ANY money.

Got that? NOT EVER!

Memphis isn't Alabama: however Football did operate in the black during the Spook Murphy ERA. Memphis also had an IPF before Alabama, Bear Bryant used the IPF to practice for the Liberty Bowl.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before spouting your venon.04-rock

You are incorrect.

Spook ran off Bartow because he was making too much money.
You are wrong, Bartow left because he was offered a very small raise after taking Memphis to NCAA Basketball Finals.
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(08-21-2015 05:16 PM)tiger68 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 05:08 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 05:05 PM)tiger68 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 04:21 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Memphis ain't Alabama. Football has NEVER made ANY money.

Got that? NOT EVER!

Memphis isn't Alabama: however Football did operate in the black during the Spook Murphy ERA. Memphis also had an IPF before Alabama, Bear Bryant used the IPF to practice for the Liberty Bowl.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before spouting your venon.04-rock

You are incorrect.

Spook ran off Bartow because he was making too much money.
You are wrong, Bartow left because he was offered a very small raise after taking Memphis to NCAA Basketball Finals.

Exactly! Something like a thousand bucks that the Spook wouldn't match because he thought basketball was making too much dough already.
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(08-21-2015 03:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No one but Football and Basketball should be getting any money. They are the only 2 sports that the University actually makes money off of student athletes... I thought this whole deal was about getting paid what they were worth, but I guess not since all the revenue-negative sports get some too.

From these numbers, it looks like we don't make money off football.
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(08-21-2015 06:03 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 03:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No one but Football and Basketball should be getting any money. They are the only 2 sports that the University actually makes money off of student athletes... I thought this whole deal was about getting paid what they were worth, but I guess not since all the revenue-negative sports get some too.

From these numbers, it looks like we don't make money off football.

Where you make your money is not in tickets sold. The big bucks come from endowments. Sports give a school an identity. You have a known commodity then you get more fans who then give more money to the schools. More people are football fans; therefore, you put money into football so you can get more fans who give more money to the school. In other words it takes money to make money.
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(08-21-2015 03:46 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 03:14 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 03:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No one but Football and Basketball should be getting any money. They are the only 2 sports that the University actually makes money off of student athletes... I thought this whole deal was about getting paid what they were worth, but I guess not since all the revenue-negative sports get some too.

Title 9 coupled with the "A5" underlying motive of pricing competition out of the market, complicates matters.

I actually think that the decision to pay athletes may kill Title 9. Once athletes become employees, the gloves come off and non revenue sports will be gone. I could definitely see it ending up in the Supreme Court. With athletes being employees, it would be equivalent to a Ford having to keep a car model around just because a few people still like them despite losing their shirt in sales.

Basically I think the selfishness of some athletes in revenue sports will kill the athletic dreams of those in the majority of other sports that just play for the love of the game and a free college education.

This isn't paying athletes any more than providing room and board stipends is paying athletes. It's still a scholarship tied to their collegiate enrollment and regulated by federal financial aid laws. Its just more scholarship money. It doesn't make athletes employees anymore than the monthly checks that they already get make them employees.
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(08-21-2015 06:11 PM)Smith Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 06:03 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 03:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No one but Football and Basketball should be getting any money. They are the only 2 sports that the University actually makes money off of student athletes... I thought this whole deal was about getting paid what they were worth, but I guess not since all the revenue-negative sports get some too.

From these numbers, it looks like we don't make money off football.

Where you make your money is not in tickets sold. The big bucks come from endowments. Sports give a school an identity. You have a known commodity then you get more fans who then give more money to the schools. More people are football fans; therefore, you put money into football so you can get more fans who give more money to the school. In other words it takes money to make money.

Certainly, football has the potential to bring in profits (or to incur huge losses), but the comment I replied to said we should only give stipends to athletes participating in sports that are currently profitable.
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Still curious about a question I asked on P4, how can the cost of attendance be different between sports? Anyone........??
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(08-21-2015 06:03 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  ..... it looks like we don't make money off football.

Not directly, but having a "big-time" football program has an important beneficial effect on alumni financial support. Moreover, it benefits student recruiting and national name recognition. That is largely why university presidents all over the country, including our own Dr. Rudd, are supportive. I, for one, would decrease, if not totally stop annual donations to UofM's academic fund if they stopped trying to succeed in football. There is no shame in failure as long as you are doing your best, but I will not abide giving up.
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(08-22-2015 07:49 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Still curious about a question I asked on P4, how can the cost of attendance be different between sports? Anyone........??

It's not. The NCAA scholarship rules don't require that you pay the full amount to all sports. Paying less to sports other than football and basketball is surely a budgetary decision.
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(05-25-2015 08:57 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-25-2015 06:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Back to the OP, how does the $5,373/scholarship compare nationally?

HERE - looks like these are P5 conference numbers only >>>

http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/u...78554.html

... The number comes through the schools’ financial aid office – not the athletic department — and has federal oversight.

Cost of attendance (COA) will be a big part of discussion at next week’s SEC business meetings in Destin.

The figure may or may not become uniform in the future. Part of that will depend on what happens with some unresolved litigation that’s out there now.

While the difference won’t be much in most cases – Mississippi State’s is $5,154 – some recruits will no doubt look simply at the bottom line. If that becomes more than a few recruits, a recruiting advantage is born.

Bjork doesn’t believe that will be a big problem if Ole Miss and other schools communicate clearly.

“Our approach is that your campus has a formula identified by the federal government, and you’re allowed to pay those categories. When you look at it from the standpoint of our number, we’ll pay your scholarship and other areas so there’s great value there. Some will use that as a recruiting advantage. It’s our job to educate young folks on what this means,” Bjork said.

HIGHEST PAYMENTS

The largest amounts schools will be paying players to cover the cost of attendance:

Tennessee: $5,666
Auburn: $5,586
Louisville: $5,202
Miss. State: $5,126
Texas Tech: $5,100
Penn State: $4,788
TCU: $4,700
Oklahoma: $4,614
Oklahoma State: $4,560
Ole Miss: $4,500
Wisconsin: $4,316
Texas: $4,310
USC: $4,151
K. State: $4,112
Arkansas: $4,002

Cincy is paying over $6,000 per student athlete...the new highest total in the nation. Recognize.
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(08-23-2015 10:33 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-25-2015 08:57 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-25-2015 06:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Back to the OP, how does the $5,373/scholarship compare nationally?

HERE - looks like these are P5 conference numbers only >>>

http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/u...78554.html

... The number comes through the schools’ financial aid office – not the athletic department — and has federal oversight.

Cost of attendance (COA) will be a big part of discussion at next week’s SEC business meetings in Destin.

The figure may or may not become uniform in the future. Part of that will depend on what happens with some unresolved litigation that’s out there now.

While the difference won’t be much in most cases – Mississippi State’s is $5,154 – some recruits will no doubt look simply at the bottom line. If that becomes more than a few recruits, a recruiting advantage is born.

Bjork doesn’t believe that will be a big problem if Ole Miss and other schools communicate clearly.

“Our approach is that your campus has a formula identified by the federal government, and you’re allowed to pay those categories. When you look at it from the standpoint of our number, we’ll pay your scholarship and other areas so there’s great value there. Some will use that as a recruiting advantage. It’s our job to educate young folks on what this means,” Bjork said.

HIGHEST PAYMENTS

The largest amounts schools will be paying players to cover the cost of attendance:

Tennessee: $5,666
Auburn: $5,586
Louisville: $5,202
Miss. State: $5,126
Texas Tech: $5,100
Penn State: $4,788
TCU: $4,700
Oklahoma: $4,614
Oklahoma State: $4,560
Ole Miss: $4,500
Wisconsin: $4,316
Texas: $4,310
USC: $4,151
K. State: $4,112
Arkansas: $4,002

Cincy is paying over $6,000 per student athlete...the new highest total in the nation. Recognize.

I'd pay 700 bucks to not live Cincy...
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Either way, we look to be trying to compete with the big boys. Recognize the attempt.
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"Either way, we look to be trying to compete with the big boys. Recognize the attempt."

No, this says we are a big boy. People here need to understand it.
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(08-21-2015 08:34 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 03:46 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 03:14 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(08-21-2015 03:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No one but Football and Basketball should be getting any money. They are the only 2 sports that the University actually makes money off of student athletes... I thought this whole deal was about getting paid what they were worth, but I guess not since all the revenue-negative sports get some too.

Title 9 coupled with the "A5" underlying motive of pricing competition out of the market, complicates matters.

I actually think that the decision to pay athletes may kill Title 9. Once athletes become employees, the gloves come off and non revenue sports will be gone. I could definitely see it ending up in the Supreme Court. With athletes being employees, it would be equivalent to a Ford having to keep a car model around just because a few people still like them despite losing their shirt in sales.

Basically I think the selfishness of some athletes in revenue sports will kill the athletic dreams of those in the majority of other sports that just play for the love of the game and a free college education.

This isn't paying athletes any more than providing room and board stipends is paying athletes. It's still a scholarship tied to their collegiate enrollment and regulated by federal financial aid laws. Its just more scholarship money. It doesn't make athletes employees anymore than the monthly checks that they already get make them employees.

Where does the stipend come from? It is money generated from the AD? If so then I'm fine but if not how is that fair to other students though? Why can't they have this money available to them as well? Why should athletes just receive stipends? How about our Nursing students at the U of M that travel back and forth from Campus to hospital, to community centers, schools, homeless shelters and provide free care to those in need. IMO, they should now receive a stipend as well. You can make the same case for Law Students. I hope students send in a request for a stipend then seek legal action when the school fails to offer the same benefits. I love sports but come on these kids already have everything paid for with scholarships, grants and loans.
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Just wondering how schools can differentiate between sports. In this PC world, it seems discriminatory.
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