I honestly believe most of our fan base would chose to have more money games than home and homes with teams no GS fan cares about (most MAC and western teams). 3 money games a year? We feel like that just increases our chances of knocking off another big boy and help build the program.

UGA, Clemson, and a more winnable game like Kentucky or Vandy...that to me is more appealing than two H/H with a
struggling G5 teams and not from our area.

However, we are thirsty for that first big name OOC home game... a team that will bring people out of the wood work and bring people back to the program. It probably won't happen until we expand the stadium again, and we will need that extra money to reinvest.

(05-25-2015 06:01 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  I honestly believe most of our fan base would chose to have more money games than home and homes with teams no GS fan cares about (most MAC and western teams). 3 money games a year? We feel like that just increases our chances of knocking off another big boy and help build the program.

UGA, Clemson, and a more winnable game like Kentucky or Vandy...that to me is more appealing than two H/H with a
struggling G5 teams and not from our area.

However, we are thirsty for that first big name OOC home game... a team that will bring people out of the wood work and bring people back to the program. It probably won't happen until we expand the stadium again, and we will need that extra money to reinvest.

All good points, but it can be simplified even further:

GS having the highest FCOA is a huge advantage being located in GA and close to FL which produced the most draft picks in 2015. If a third money game is the only way to get that advantage then it is worth it. And it appears we are going to have to start knocking off the big boys to get teams to come to Paulson. If we did that, then we could really call out G5 programs if they won't play us.

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

Nobody said play Alabama, LSU and FSU in the same season. Maybe 1 top program and a couple of mid to lower P5 teams.

And Boise became road warriors while beating top 10 teams like UGA. If we can fund our $6k stipend, we have an advantage that can help us attract at least Boise level talent. And we didn't avoid Florida when they were a top team at the time we scheduled them. That worked out well for us.

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

On the other hand, will playing 1 P5 school in Purdue keep you in contention for an Access Bowl spot next year, despite contention from the MWC and AAC Champs who will certainly schedule heavier?

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

Some of the most critical injuries in AState history came at home against FCS teams. We once lost two starters for the season in the opener against a SWAC. I don't buy the injury argument.

(05-25-2015 07:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

Some of the most critical injuries in AState history came at home against FCS teams. We once lost two starters for the season in the opener against a SWAC. I don't buy the injury argument.

Agreed.

(05-25-2015 07:32 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Nobody said play Alabama, LSU and FSU in the same season. Maybe 1 top program and a couple of mid to lower P5 teams.

I understand the situation that GA Southern is in right now. Not even mid to low level P5 schools are going to give you a 1-1. When Marshall wanted to get a good opponent in Huntington when we 1st moved up we used to have to do a 2-1, up until about 2005. It will get easier to get 1-1s when you become a more established IA school.

(05-25-2015 07:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some of the most critical injuries in AState history came at home against FCS teams. We once lost two starters for the season in the opener against a SWAC. I don't buy the injury argument.

Just some of Marshall's 1 and dones

2007 Miami FL- 1 WR out 4 weeks, 3 on the DLine 2 out 3 and 4 weeks the other a SR and played his last down of football.
2008 Wisconsin - 2 OL injured, 1 out 2 weeks the other out 6
2010 Ohio State- 1 TE out for the year on the 3rd play of the game

You may not believe it but it happens more than not in those games.

(05-25-2015 08:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:32 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Nobody said play Alabama, LSU and FSU in the same season. Maybe 1 top program and a couple of mid to lower P5 teams.

I understand the situation that GA Southern is in right now. Not even mid to low level P5 schools are going to give you a 1-1. When Marshall wanted to get a good opponent in Huntington when we 1st moved up we used to have to do a 2-1, up until about 2005. It will get easier to get 1-1s when you become a more established IA school.

(05-25-2015 07:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some of the most critical injuries in AState history came at home against FCS teams. We once lost two starters for the season in the opener against a SWAC. I don't buy the injury argument.

Just some of Marshall's 1 and dones

2007 Miami FL- 1 WR out 4 weeks, 3 on the DLine 2 out 3 and 4 weeks the other a SR and played his last down of football.
2008 Wisconsin - 2 OL injured, 1 out 2 weeks the other out 6
2010 Ohio State- 1 TE out for the year on the 3rd play of the game

You may not believe it but it happens more than not in those games.

Maybe you guys just have bad luck in those types of games. I've never bought the injury argument as there isn't any justifiable proof for the argument. If the game is early in the season, you can easily chalk it up to poor conditioning or any other factor.

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

I agree with all of this, except maybe the injury angle. If we want to cut back on the body bag games, maybe it's time for some of our schools to start asking other revenue sports like men's basketball to begin pulling their weight....

(05-25-2015 08:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:32 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Nobody said play Alabama, LSU and FSU in the same season. Maybe 1 top program and a couple of mid to lower P5 teams.

I understand the situation that GA Southern is in right now. Not even mid to low level P5 schools are going to give you a 1-1. When Marshall wanted to get a good opponent in Huntington when we 1st moved up we used to have to do a 2-1, up until about 2005. It will get easier to get 1-1s when you become a more established IA school.

(05-25-2015 07:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some of the most critical injuries in AState history came at home against FCS teams. We once lost two starters for the season in the opener against a SWAC. I don't buy the injury argument.

Just some of Marshall's 1 and dones

2007 Miami FL- 1 WR out 4 weeks, 3 on the DLine 2 out 3 and 4 weeks the other a SR and played his last down of football.
2008 Wisconsin - 2 OL injured, 1 out 2 weeks the other out 6
2010 Ohio State- 1 TE out for the year on the 3rd play of the game

You may not believe it but it happens more than not in those games.

Injuries can happen in any game. We can both cite examples of major injuries against FCS and major injuries against upper tier P5's till we are blue in the face. The reality is that the risk of injury is always going to be there, no matter who we play.

(05-25-2015 07:51 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

Some of the most critical injuries in AState history came at home against FCS teams. We once lost two starters for the season in the opener against a SWAC. I don't buy the injury argument.

Agreed.

I think some people forget that we normally play a high level P5 every year. In all of those years, I can only recall one major injury during a P5 game (Brent Russells first game ever and it was against UGA). The risk of injury is there regardless of opponent. We have never been so physically mismatched that we got beat up to the point of injury.

I honestly believe that most of our fan base would be excited as hell to play 3 top level P5s in the same year. FSU, LSU, Auburn? Bring 'em on! Just a matter of time before we catch one slipping.

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

That is good that Marshall does not need the money games. It probably helps to get $1 million from the CUSA TV deal. But G5 schools need to schedule at least one game with a P5 school to help strength of schedule and if your going to get paid well for doing it, then why not? The question is, should a school play two or even three money games?

The Marshall OOC schedule last season of Rhode Island (1-11), Miami of Ohio (2-10), Akron (5-7) and Ohio (6-6) probably cost Marshall a spot in the Access Bowl this past season. Playing a P5 school might have helped Marshall last season.

The injury question playing against P5 schools is a non-issue. Injuries can happen on the practice field and against any opponent. If it was really an issue for Marshall, then why play P5 schools at all? By the way, Marshall has Louisville and Pittsburgh on their 2016 schedule. So I guess it is not that much of an issue for the AD and Head Coach.

A-State lost a key OL reserve on the last play of the Tennessee game. High ankle sprain. That never could have happened against FCS . . .

(05-26-2015 10:00 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 06:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Marshall in Conference USA is not playing a money game this season.

Marshall hasn't played a 1 and done since 2010 when they played Ohio State and haven't signed a 1 and done contract since 2008. Our current AD Mike Hamrick has never signed a 1 and done while at Marshall and said very few if any would be signed under him.

We will finish up a 1-1 with Purdue this year and another 1-1 with Louisville next year. We will start a 1-1 with Pittsburgh next year and a 1-1 with NC State in 2017. We have been pretty good with getting decent 1-1s with schools in the P5 that are actually winnable games.

Unless you are seriously strapped for cash I don't understand selling yourself to the highest bidder to only get your head kicked in 95% of the time and usually leaving their stadium with some kind of injury. The price of playing the likes LSU, Alabama, Florida State and others knowing those schools would never play you at home just isn't worth it to me.

And if you are so strapped for cash you have to sell your soul 2-3 times a year then you should ask yourself if you should really be IA.

That is good that Marshall does not need the money games. It probably helps to get $1 million from the CUSA TV deal. But G5 schools need to schedule at least one game with a P5 school to help strength of schedule and if your going to get paid well for doing it, then why not? The question is, should a school play two or even three money games?

The Marshall OOC schedule last season of Rhode Island (1-11), Miami of Ohio (2-10), Akron (5-7) and Ohio (6-6) probably cost Marshall a spot in the Access Bowl this past season. Playing a P5 school might have helped Marshall last season.

The injury question playing against P5 schools is a non-issue. Injuries can happen on the practice field and against any opponent. If it was really an issue for Marshall, then why play P5 schools at all? By the way, Marshall has Louisville and Pittsburgh on their 2016 schedule. So I guess it is not that much of an issue for the AD and Head Coach.

I agree they needed somebody OOC that was decent on the schedule but the most likely end to their run for the access spot was a 1 point loss to WKU.

I get the mentality of "Anybody, Anywhere, Anytime!"

That is all well and good.

I mean, I'd love to play in the SEC! But NOT without SEC recruiting power!

WINNING is the most important element of the Schedule imop.

Finding a way to fund FCOA may give us a recruiting edge, but it isn't going to raise us to the same level as the major P5 programs.

Getting to a good bowl and raising the rankings and awareness level of our program Nationally would probably be better helped by several seasons with less than 3 losses. I'd rather finish undefeated with Marshall's schedule from last year and be in the ACCESS BOWL discussion each week - EVEN if our SOS kept us out - than finish 8-4 every year.

I'm not saying we would lose any of the 3 ("they can have my gun when they pry my dead cold fingers from the handle"). But when you walk into a fight out manned and out gunned into your opponent's back yard with THEIR refs..... 3 Times in the same season..... Well, it just isn't a fair fight.

But the fan base will grow with winning. There is simply nothing like it.
And don't forget that we would be giving up an extra home game that might be considered "screwing" season ticket holders if the price is the same or we lose 25k (with a little growth) times about $38. Which is almost a cool million in itself, not to mention the cash flow into the local area on a home game weekend/concessions/ book store sales, etc. If we can get attendance to 30k(which winning will help a lot) - You can add about $200k to that number. Home games have a lot of value, a portion of which is opportunities to recruit more fans.

I'd say that we simply need to GET PAID closer to 2 Million than the scrap crap that UGA has always tried to feed us to play. I'm fine with never playing the Athen's mutts again unless they are willing to shell out at least 1.5 Million or we meet in a bowl. I know we don't have as much travel expense when we play them. But it isn't like we don't spend the night in Athens when we play. And why should they care? Why should our cost to travel have any effect on what they are willing to pay? It shouldn't. Fine, let them pay more to an out of state program that is going to bring far less people to Athens.

SMART scheduling is important. I mean, if we can get P5 bottom feeders like Vanderbilt, Wake F., Purdue, maybe Iowa State... great! Are they going to pay 1.5Million plus? Say we get FSU/Wake/Syracuse? OK.

But I don't want any combo of 3 top performing or near top P5 programs like: FSU/UGA/Auburn/Alabama/Oregon/Ohio State/etc. We simply don't need to do that to grow our program.

Sure take one or at the most two of those guys, but we'd be better with 1 near top (NOT THE TOP!) P5, and one low level P5. The risk imop, isn't worth the reward. Let's get into the Access discussions by winning and winning and pulling off that one big shocker each year.

If you looked at the 2015 schedule, the equivalent would be replacing the Savannah St game with Nebraska to go with UGA and WV. If we lost all three, we would then have to beat the Citadel and go 5-3 in conference to make a bowl.

(05-26-2015 01:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I'd say that we simply need to GET PAID closer to 2 Million than the scrap crap that UGA has always tried to feed us to play. I'm fine with never playing the Athen's mutts again unless they are willing to shell out at least 1.5 Million or we meet in a bowl. I know we don't have as much travel expense when we play them. But it isn't like we don't spend the night in Athens when we play. And why should they care? Why should our cost to travel have any effect on what they are willing to pay? It shouldn't. Fine, let them pay more to an out of state program that is going to bring far less people to Athens.

We proved to Ga Tech that we can bring a lot of people to a game and they responded by rescheduling us. We need to do the same to UGA. If we bring over 10k fans and are competitive on the filed then they will be fools to not keep us on their schedule.

(05-26-2015 04:53 PM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 01:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I'd say that we simply need to GET PAID closer to 2 Million than the scrap crap that UGA has always tried to feed us to play. I'm fine with never playing the Athen's mutts again unless they are willing to shell out at least 1.5 Million or we meet in a bowl. I know we don't have as much travel expense when we play them. But it isn't like we don't spend the night in Athens when we play. And why should they care? Why should our cost to travel have any effect on what they are willing to pay? It shouldn't. Fine, let them pay more to an out of state program that is going to bring far less people to Athens.

We proved to Ga Tech that we can bring a lot of people to a game and they responded by rescheduling us. We need to do the same to UGA. If we bring over 10k fans and are competitive on the filed then they will be fools to not keep us on their schedule.

I think UGA would rather us bring 15K and not keep it competitive.

(05-26-2015 05:13 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 04:53 PM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 01:07 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  I'd say that we simply need to GET PAID closer to 2 Million than the scrap crap that UGA has always tried to feed us to play. I'm fine with never playing the Athen's mutts again unless they are willing to shell out at least 1.5 Million or we meet in a bowl. I know we don't have as much travel expense when we play them. But it isn't like we don't spend the night in Athens when we play. And why should they care? Why should our cost to travel have any effect on what they are willing to pay? It shouldn't. Fine, let them pay more to an out of state program that is going to bring far less people to Athens.

We proved to Ga Tech that we can bring a lot of people to a game and they responded by rescheduling us. We need to do the same to UGA. If we bring over 10k fans and are competitive on the filed then they will be fools to not keep us on their schedule.

I think UGA would rather us bring 15K and not keep it competitive.

The sad truth is that we will "bring" probabaly 30,000 to that game.

But 1/2 of "our people" will be wearing Red&Black.

THAT is the biggest reason that we NEED to win this game!!!

Many of our games with uga have set new Stadium attendance records (granted that this is because we were the opening game after several stadium expansions - but the fact remains true ).
IF they want to keep us on the schedule, they better be willing to pay up. Imagine if we win? And play keep away with the bragging rights!
Unless.... they want to take a little trip down to Statesboro and play us with Sun Belt officials.