(05-27-2015 10:01 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  you have it all wrong, th army/navy game isnt about tv money....

While you may believe that...but that game is the sole reason why Navy and Army have such a great TV contract with CBS...almost all of the $$ (and TV ratings) are tied to that one game.

Whenever someone says "its not about the money"....its usually about the money.

If Army/Navy didn't care about money from this game/tv deal...they could have PBS telecast the game.

(05-27-2015 09:15 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 08:27 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 07:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 08:36 PM)Xbones Wrote:  There's something missing with this. The solution is too simple... Tell Navy they have to win out over Army and have a contingency plan for the next ranked team as suggested. How will the Greedy P5 benefit by pushing this game back out of the lime-light? Are they trying milk the last ounce of exposure advantage out of the G5? Does ESPN want all eyes focused on the playoff and the P5 after the announcement?

Not simple...as you won't ever get a P5 Conf to approve to "wait" another week on making bowl trip plans, let alone more importantly, bowl ticket SALES.

Teams sell majority of their bowl tix in the days immediately following their bowl invite...and now way will a P5 team wait till almost mid-Dec to find out where they are going.

the P5 DOESNT CARE!!! the p5 ad's on the committee said they were fine with te model as is....

That's because they will never ever WAIT on an access or playoff invite for Navy.

Navy basically eliminated themselves from consideration...regardless what P5 Committee Members (since they dominate the board) say publicly.

technically army and navy could have get an atlarge and lost the past season the p5 didn't care
they have said they didn't care pre mwc complaining and have said they will try to find a solution to make everyone happy ... from 100% of news out, navy will be allowed to keep the game separate and be eligible access bowl....even if nothing is done

the committee chair even said if they cared enough it would require a unanimous vote to change any structure of the playoff system...the realistic options are find a soluton to make everyone happy (like a contingency plan) or nothing changes ....navy getting banned for the access is the least likely outcome

i have no clue where you are getting your pre conceived notions but they are completely wrong

(05-27-2015 10:12 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:01 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  you have it all wrong, th army/navy game isnt about tv money....

While you may believe that...but that game is the sole reason why Navy and Army have such a great TV contract with CBS...almost all of the $$ (and TV ratings) are tied to that one game.

Whenever someone says "its not about the money"....its usually about the money.

If Army/Navy didn't care about money from this game/tv deal...they could have PBS telecast the game.

in all honesty if pbs paid only 200k for the game but could get them more ratings than cbs they would do it

dude navy ad has said he will split the navy/army money in 2018 when the current deal ends and whatever new deal is made ...aka navy will only be getting 1/12th the money from the game

cbs has more to do with viewers than money...which you for some reason can get through to you

navy army on separate day on cbs ...has barely anything to do with money but simply keeping the game relevant and having viewers to keep the tradition strong

(05-27-2015 07:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 08:36 PM)Xbones Wrote:  There's something missing with this. The solution is too simple... Tell Navy they have to win out over Army and have a contingency plan for the next ranked team as suggested. How will the Greedy P5 benefit by pushing this game back out of the lime-light? Are they trying milk the last ounce of exposure advantage out of the G5? Does ESPN want all eyes focused on the playoff and the P5 after the announcement?

Not simple...as you won't ever get a P5 Conf to approve to "wait" another week on making bowl trip plans, let alone more importantly, bowl ticket SALES.

Teams sell majority of their bowl tix in the days immediately following their bowl invite...and now way will a P5 team wait till almost mid-Dec to find out where they are going.

Isn't the duration from the last game to some of the first early bowls actually shorter? If so, than indeed waiting one more week should not be a deal breaker. Bowls range from December 19 to January 2, a range of 2 weeks, so this logic should hold up.

I get the Access bowl is a bigger deal, and that smaller bowls try to get a more 'local' team, but everything still applies to the smaller bowl, just scaled down a bit.

(05-27-2015 01:12 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 07:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 08:36 PM)Xbones Wrote:  There's something missing with this. The solution is too simple... Tell Navy they have to win out over Army and have a contingency plan for the next ranked team as suggested. How will the Greedy P5 benefit by pushing this game back out of the lime-light? Are they trying milk the last ounce of exposure advantage out of the G5? Does ESPN want all eyes focused on the playoff and the P5 after the announcement?

Not simple...as you won't ever get a P5 Conf to approve to "wait" another week on making bowl trip plans, let alone more importantly, bowl ticket SALES.

Teams sell majority of their bowl tix in the days immediately following their bowl invite...and now way will a P5 team wait till almost mid-Dec to find out where they are going.

Isn't the duration from the last game to some of the first early bowls actually shorter? If so, than indeed waiting one more week should not be a deal breaker. Bowls range from December 19 to January 2, a range of 2 weeks, so this logic should hold up.

I get the Access bowl is a bigger deal, and that smaller bowls try to get a more 'local' team, but everything still applies to the smaller bowl, just scaled down a bit.

As per the initial OP article link, topic was that Navy/Army would keep their game date, even though Playoff Committee will be making their Playoff/Final 4 and Access Bowl selections 6 days prior...and in reality, no way will the Playoff Committee "wait" for the end of the Navy/Army game 6 days later to make a final decision (regardless what they say publicly), as the committee can just say "Navy's AAC West Division schedule, plus some not so tough non-conf games...will keep Navy out of National Playoff...regardless of record.

USA TODAY article starts out with:


ANNAPOLIS, Md. — Army and Navy do not plan to change the date of their traditional end-of-season meeting to accommodate the final College Football Playoff rankings, which for the next four seasons are set to be unveiled before the service academies' annual matchup.

"We have no intention of moving it. None," Navy athletics director Chet Gladchuk told USA TODAY Sports. "It would show that we've realigned our priorities in a way that doesn't complement our mission. We can't do it. It's something that's that special."

In 2015 the Playoff selection committee is scheduled to release its final rankings on Dec. 6, the day after several Football Bowl Subdivision conferences hold their championship games. That weekend concludes the regular season for every FBS team but two: Army and Navy will meet at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia on Dec. 12.

"If it means that we've got to sacrifice the opportunity to participate in the playoff system, then that's something we'll have to deal with," Gladchuk said. "We'll have to work on that."

KnightLight..no one has ever said anyone would wait

there are 3 legitimate options on the table:

1) navy goes in with a contingency plan- the committee picks 2 G5 teams (same day as everyone else), navy gets it if they win, backup g5 gets it if they lose (the most likely thing that will happen)

2) the do nothing plan, as deal with it if the situation happens....(since it would require a unanimous vote to do anything else this is the second likely option)

3) navy doesnt qualify for the access (pushed by the mwc commish, unlikely as it would require a unanimous vote, and i doubt their will be that much a push to disqualify a team full of enlisted soldiers who represent our army and navy fighting for an american tradition)

no one has ever said wait, these are the 3 options on the table

(05-27-2015 10:12 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:01 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  you have it all wrong, th army/navy game isnt about tv money....

While you may believe that...but that game is the sole reason why Navy and Army have such a great TV contract with CBS...almost all of the $$ (and TV ratings) are tied to that one game.

Whenever someone says "its not about the money"....its usually about the money.

If Army/Navy didn't care about money from this game/tv deal...they could have PBS telecast the game.

I actually agree with KnightLight here for once.

The Army/Navy Game has only been played on the second Saturday of December since 2009. Playing the game after the season for everyone else has ended is NOT some type of longstanding tradition. It was moved to avoid conflicting with the conference championship games which, in turn, increased the TV rights value of the Army/Navy Game. It's a very nice byproduct that the entire focus of that day in college football is on that game, but we shouldn't be naive that it isn't driven almost entirely by money.

(05-27-2015 01:12 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 07:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 08:36 PM)Xbones Wrote:  There's something missing with this. The solution is too simple... Tell Navy they have to win out over Army and have a contingency plan for the next ranked team as suggested. How will the Greedy P5 benefit by pushing this game back out of the lime-light? Are they trying milk the last ounce of exposure advantage out of the G5? Does ESPN want all eyes focused on the playoff and the P5 after the announcement?

Not simple...as you won't ever get a P5 Conf to approve to "wait" another week on making bowl trip plans, let alone more importantly, bowl ticket SALES.

Teams sell majority of their bowl tix in the days immediately following their bowl invite...and now way will a P5 team wait till almost mid-Dec to find out where they are going.

Isn't the duration from the last game to some of the first early bowls actually shorter? If so, than indeed waiting one more week should not be a deal breaker. Bowls range from December 19 to January 2, a range of 2 weeks, so this logic should hold up.

I get the Access bowl is a bigger deal, and that smaller bowls try to get a more 'local' team, but everything still applies to the smaller bowl, just scaled down a bit.

Actually, waiting 1 more week does make a difference.
For the Access bowl that mean putting off selling tickets and getting arrangements in earlier for the better prices.
For the early bowls, it would mean possibly that they would have only 1 week or a week and couple of days to find a possible replacement for Navy (if Navy is 5-6 going into the Army/Navy game). And the school would have quite a bit of pressure to get tickets sold, arrangements made at the last minute...not to mention for the fans to try to find a way to make to a bowl within 1 week.
i.e. Army/Navy plays on 12/12. The Cure bowl is on 12/19. Who plays where for the American isn't settle until the Army/Navy game. So now it isn't about the Access bowl, but now this affects 3 to 4 AAC teams who don't know where they will play till after the game. Navy while Indy only effected 1 bowl but now in a conference, it affects more bowls. That is something I don't think the bowls tied to the AAC or the schools affected what to deal with also.

Navy lost to western ky and beat south alabama by 2 points. They were 7-5 last year.

This whole thread is like a star trek debate

This is what I am watching as I am bored at work. Been going on for over a hour. Slow speed chase


http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/201...-worth.ece

(05-27-2015 02:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:12 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:01 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  you have it all wrong, th army/navy game isnt about tv money....

While you may believe that...but that game is the sole reason why Navy and Army have such a great TV contract with CBS...almost all of the $$ (and TV ratings) are tied to that one game.

Whenever someone says "its not about the money"....its usually about the money.

If Army/Navy didn't care about money from this game/tv deal...they could have PBS telecast the game.

I actually agree with KnightLight here for once.

The Army/Navy Game has only been played on the second Saturday of December since 2009. Playing the game after the season for everyone else has ended is NOT some type of longstanding tradition. It was moved to avoid conflicting with the conference championship games which, in turn, increased the TV rights value of the Army/Navy Game. It's a very nice byproduct that the entire focus of that day in college football is on that game, but we shouldn't be naive that it isn't driven almost entirely by money.

the tradition is keeping the game relevant ..the army navy game being relevant is the long standing tradition being fought for

with every passing year, the less and less realistic it is for army, navy to compete at a national level, especially with the growing gap between the p5 and g5

it was moved not because of conflict but because the rating started getting worse (something they wont want to admit)

army/navy versus the iron bowl and 80% of college football fans a re watching the iron bowl... the game will die if it remained on rivalry week or championship week.. money was the by product i agree but..relevancy was the driving force.

they found a solution that works for them, that alows them to keep it relevant and are fighting for the "tradition" of the game