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If Fuente wins 9 games this year, I'd think he'd leave for a bigger program.
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(05-20-2015 03:48 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 02:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4644763...in-mcneill

oleary at 4?

taggart better than 3 aac coaches?

If they would have taken the same poll during O'Leary's first couple years then he would have been at the bottom as well being that his first team went winless.

Actually, O'Leary took his team to an 8-5 record in his second year, including an appearance in the conference championship game and a bowl game, so I disagree with you on that one.
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RE: Sportingnews: AAC Coach rankings
(05-21-2015 10:46 AM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 03:48 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 02:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4644763...in-mcneill

oleary at 4?

taggart better than 3 aac coaches?

If they would have taken the same poll during O'Leary's first couple years then he would have been at the bottom as well being that his first team went winless.

Actually, O'Leary took his team to an 8-5 record in his second year, including an appearance in the conference championship game and a bowl game, so I disagree with you on that one.

Yeah he is wrong. O'Leary took us from 0-11 in his first year to 8-5 in his second year. He was the CUSA coach of the year in his second year. He turned UCF around much quicker than taggart is doing at usf. He is just a better coach.
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GOL should be fired!
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Johnson has earned his spot at the bottom of the ranking. He is in way over his head and the idiot AD gave him a huge undeserved raise and an extension. Is it any wonder that Tulane football sucks ?
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(05-21-2015 11:21 AM)Olive and Blue Forever Wrote:  Johnson has earned his spot at the bottom of the ranking. He is in way over his head and the idiot AD gave him a huge undeserved raise and an extension. Is it any wonder that Tulane football sucks ?

He's improved the recruiting significantly and got the team into a bowl game in 2013-2014.

I don't think you realize how low Tulane was when CJ took over. This is a major program rebuild taking place. The OC is a joke, but everything else is improving over time.

It took Conroy 5 years to finally crack into good 3* and bottom 4* talent.

It can take a very long time to eliminate a culture of failure - and what you're seeing now is all of the BS being unraveled.
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(05-21-2015 09:13 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 03:14 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Remember when every Cincinnati fan was telling the UConn fans to temper their excitement/expectations...

The guy has been here one year. Bear Bryant couldn't have fixed the mess PPGDL created in one year.

We wish you the best with him. It was the peter principle when he got UCs DC gig. Always came off like a grad assistant who was trying to act like a coach from central casting.
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(05-20-2015 03:56 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 03:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  i honestly can see any legit argument to have taggart over rhule...

rhule took a less talented team to being bowl eligible in year 2 and are a projected 8-10 win team year 3....taggart with the best recruiting team in the league is projected 5 wins and those are the nicer projections

It's all about what talent you inherit from the previous coach and stability at the QB position. Taggart didn't inherit much on either front, while Rhule inherited a nice stockpile of talent.

Realize that if a coach has to rely on freshman and sophomores to win games...as Taggart has had to do during his first two years....you are not likely going to have good season or sleep very well.

This is a big year for Taggart....no doubt. IMO, I think he has enough talent to win on both sides of the ball....but the big gaping hole at QB could ultimately get him fired. Holtz didn't recruit a Qb during his three years at USF...and that has been a real tough hurdle for the current staff to jump over.

I don't understand the point that pesik is attempting to make. That first sentence in conjunction with the balance of his post doesn't flow to any logical point.
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(05-21-2015 07:38 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 03:56 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 03:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  i honestly can see any legit argument to have taggart over rhule...

rhule took a less talented team to being bowl eligible in year 2 and are a projected 8-10 win team year 3....taggart with the best recruiting team in the league is projected 5 wins and those are the nicer projections

It's all about what talent you inherit from the previous coach and stability at the QB position. Taggart didn't inherit much on either front, while Rhule inherited a nice stockpile of talent.

Realize that if a coach has to rely on freshman and sophomores to win games...as Taggart has had to do during his first two years....you are not likely going to have good season or sleep very well.

This is a big year for Taggart....no doubt. IMO, I think he has enough talent to win on both sides of the ball....but the big gaping hole at QB could ultimately get him fired. Holtz didn't recruit a Qb during his three years at USF...and that has been a real tough hurdle for the current staff to jump over.

I don't understand the point that pesik is attempting to make. That first sentence in conjunction with the balance of his post doesn't flow to any logical point.

the point: matt rhule is a better coach

logic: temple is a dramatically worse recruiting team with less resources, coming up from the MAC, than USF. both have had 2 years. both took over the same quality type of team. temple was bowl eligible last year and is considered a dark horse to win the league this year.
usf has been blown out by a fcs and just about everyone thinks usf wil be lucky to make 5 wins next season and most project him fired

if you dont get the logic behind that, oh well.. cheers to you
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(05-21-2015 08:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-21-2015 07:38 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 03:56 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 03:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  i honestly can see any legit argument to have taggart over rhule...

rhule took a less talented team to being bowl eligible in year 2 and are a projected 8-10 win team year 3....taggart with the best recruiting team in the league is projected 5 wins and those are the nicer projections

It's all about what talent you inherit from the previous coach and stability at the QB position. Taggart didn't inherit much on either front, while Rhule inherited a nice stockpile of talent.

Realize that if a coach has to rely on freshman and sophomores to win games...as Taggart has had to do during his first two years....you are not likely going to have good season or sleep very well.

This is a big year for Taggart....no doubt. IMO, I think he has enough talent to win on both sides of the ball....but the big gaping hole at QB could ultimately get him fired. Holtz didn't recruit a Qb during his three years at USF...and that has been a real tough hurdle for the current staff to jump over.

I don't understand the point that pesik is attempting to make. That first sentence in conjunction with the balance of his post doesn't flow to any logical point.

the point: matt rhule is a better coach

logic: temple is a dramatically worse recruiting team with less resources, coming up from the MAC, than USF. both have had 2 years. both took over the same quality type of team. temple was bowl eligible last year and is considered a dark horse to win the league this year.
usf has been blown out by a fcs and just about everyone thinks usf wil be lucky to make 5 wins next season and most project him fired

if you dont get the logic behind that, oh well.. cheers to you

Thanks, I now understand the point. Perhaps there is either some missing wording or the logic is missing in the below bolded sentence.

Should it be "can't" instead of "can"? Not picking nits because it changes the entire meaning/logic of the point.

I thought that I bolded that in my initial post so that it would be clear but I must not have.

(05-20-2015 03:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  i honestly can see any legit argument to have taggart over rhule...

rhule took a less talented team to being bowl eligible in year 2 and are a projected 8-10 win team year 3....taggart with the best recruiting team in the league is projected 5 wins and those are the nicer projections
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Matt Rhule inherited a terrible team. His first year our secondary was a joke and cost us many games. Flash forward 2 years and it is one of the best and deepest units in the country.
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(05-20-2015 03:14 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Remember when every Cincinnati fan was telling the UConn fans to temper their excitement/expectations...

Remember when a majority of UCONN fans told every Cincy fan to stop being so red-a$$ed about Diaco?
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Call me a homer, I wouldn't trade Coach Ruffin for any of them. I think he is the best coach for us, and I seriously don't think we have to worry about him bailing.
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GOL's first year: 2004

Conference Championships/Appearances since:

2005
2007
2010
2012
2013
2014

No other coach in the AAC comes close.

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(05-22-2015 06:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  GOL's first year: 2004

Conference Championships/Appearances since:

2005
2007
2010
2012
2013
2014

No other coach in the AAC comes close.

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+1

The more I think about it, it's not even close. And some people were trying to compare taggarts first few years to O'Leary's lol usf would be lucky to have a coach half as good as GOL
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(05-22-2015 06:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  GOL's first year: 2004

Conference Championships/Appearances since:

2005
2007
2010
2012
2013
2014

No other coach in the AAC comes close.

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you realize tubberville was undefeated in the SEC?
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(05-22-2015 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-22-2015 06:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  GOL's first year: 2004

Conference Championships/Appearances since:

2005
2007
2010
2012
2013
2014

No other coach in the AAC comes close.

07-coffee3

you realize tubberville went undefeated in the SEC one season?

So did Gene Chizik and neither won consistently afterwards. Both ended up fired a few seasons later.

I respect your opinion and I also think Tubberville is a great coach, just not 6-time Conference Coach of the Year great.
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It takes a lot for your peers to vote you the Conference Coach of the Year. Here are the AAC coaches by career COY awarded:

6 - George O'Leary (4 at UCF)
2 - Tommy Tuberville (0 at Cincy)
1 - Justin Fuente (1 at Memphis)
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Since it's been overlooked in this thread, I'll just add; congrats Memphis and Justin Fuente for COY.

Thank you oldtiger, greatly appreciated. :)
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(05-22-2015 10:51 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  
(05-22-2015 08:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-22-2015 06:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  GOL's first year: 2004

Conference Championships/Appearances since:

2005
2007
2010
2012
2013
2014

No other coach in the AAC comes close.

07-coffee3

you realize tubberville went undefeated in the SEC one season?

So did Gene Chizik and neither won consistently afterwards. Both ended up fired a few seasons later.

I respect your opinion and I also think Tubberville is a great coach, just not 6-time Conference Coach of the Year great.

tubberville has never been fired,
if you are actually familiar with tubberville's history, he is known for leaving every school after taking them to some good-great levels....

he revived miss state and swore it would take a wooden casket for him to leave, he left a couple weeks later for auburn, at he blinded the staff and randomly quit their AD said he didnt see it coming..took the job at tech a year later, literally told techs AD he was coming back the week before and a week later he left for cincy

point being tubberville wasn't fired and almost all his seasons are in the above average to elite range

tubberville has almost every NATIONAL coach of the year award atleast once and 2 sec coach of the years

dont get me wrong oleary is a great coach .but its more of a debate than you want to admit
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