I hope UConn has a really good year in football and gets called to the ACC
I can't get used to this lack of media attention

I just was impressed with South Florida's size and speed last season. If they don't move up this season we will know why

Tubberville cheated his ass off at Mississippi and got out of there just before the cops showed up

(05-22-2015 03:28 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  I just was impressed with South Florida's size and speed last season. If they don't move up this season we will know why

Tubberville cheated his ass off at Mississippi and got out of there just before the cops showed up

Cheated his ass off, don't think so. If he did that he would never lose a game period.

(05-21-2015 08:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 07:38 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:56 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  i honestly can see any legit argument to have taggart over rhule...

rhule took a less talented team to being bowl eligible in year 2 and are a projected 8-10 win team year 3....taggart with the best recruiting team in the league is projected 5 wins and those are the nicer projections

It's all about what talent you inherit from the previous coach and stability at the QB position. Taggart didn't inherit much on either front, while Rhule inherited a nice stockpile of talent.

Realize that if a coach has to rely on freshman and sophomores to win games...as Taggart has had to do during his first two years....you are not likely going to have good season or sleep very well.

This is a big year for Taggart....no doubt. IMO, I think he has enough talent to win on both sides of the ball....but the big gaping hole at QB could ultimately get him fired. Holtz didn't recruit a Qb during his three years at USF...and that has been a real tough hurdle for the current staff to jump over.

I don't understand the point that pesik is attempting to make. That first sentence in conjunction with the balance of his post doesn't flow to any logical point.

the point: matt rhule is a better coach

logic: temple is a dramatically worse recruiting team with less resources, coming up from the MAC, than USF. both have had 2 years. both took over the same quality type of team. temple was bowl eligible last year and is considered a dark horse to win the league this year.
usf has been blown out by a fcs and just about everyone thinks usf wil be lucky to make 5 wins next season and most project him fired

if you dont get the logic behind that, oh well.. cheers to you

Obviously some ppl have an agenda....

Bottom line: Taggart was considered an up and coming coach at WKU when he turned that program around. He arrived at USF and inherited a program void of playmakers and was forced to start a freshman QB. Not many ppl are going to win under these circumstances in addition to completely changing the offense.

Good coaches don't become bad overnight...and Taggart isn't a bad coach. He just needs to get a QB and thing s will start to get better.

(05-23-2015 08:29 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  Obviously some ppl have an agenda....

Bottom line: Taggart was considered an up and coming coach at WKU when he turned that program around. He arrived at USF and inherited a program void of playmakers and was forced to start a freshman QB. Not many ppl are going to win under these circumstances in addition to completely changing the offense.

Good coaches don't become bad overnight...and Taggart isn't a bad coach. He just needs to get a QB and thing s will start to get better.

i know its hard for a usf homer to look outside of usfs situation but you realize the bolded part is exactly what matt rhule did..pj and mike white were in the same recruiting class

that steve addazio there old coach ran a power run offense, which they ran every play.....and matt rhule runs a prostyle/spread mix that is pass fisrt

and taggart best record was 7-5 in the sunbelt, that was his best record ever...you can argue he turned wku around, who was actually a power in the FCS, or you could argue that he took over a team that was transitioning from fcs to fbs and needed a few years to adjust

I've been the optimist for years, but I'm not optimistic now... and I bleed green and gold. Basically, CWT came in and hired his own staff. I know Holtz degraded the program essentially losing a recruiting cycle. I get that. But it cannot be argued that the program got WORSE under CWT. We were damn lucky to not go 0-12 either year. We barely eeked wins out against other horrible teams. Evidence that last year we fired the ENTIRE coaching staff, EXCEPT Coach Taggart. It's universally understood that the ONLY reason we didn't fire CWT is because we are STILL paying Holtz!!! Therefore, Taggart essentially performed to a level where he SHOULD have been fired after last season, and only survived on a 'technicality'. Note Holtz was fired after a 5 win season...

Couple that with our QB situation, and this is why I'm not hugely optimistic. From what I've seen, CWT is a really great guy, top class individual. I wish him EVERY success. But my comments stem from honesty. Same for Flowers... he seems like a great kid who has endured hardships, and I really want him to succeed. But I didn't see anything last season to make me want to invest the program in him. Spring went well 'eh?? Well I've heard that every spring for the last decade.

So now we have (another) complete re-boot of our coaching staff, except for CWT. Sorry, but now I want to see progress before I'll make any positive comments about our coaches. Great recruiting means nothing if it can't translate to performance, which is reflective of how good a COACH someone is... as opposed to a recruiter.

I know it takes time for the recruiting to make a difference, but CWT has had enough seasons. Our schedule is NOT that difficult. Bowl or bust for CWT, no excuses this time.

(05-23-2015 09:16 AM)Bull Wrote:  I've been the optimist for years, but I'm not optimistic now... and I bleed green and gold. Basically, CWT came in and hired his own staff. I know Holtz degraded the program essentially losing a recruiting cycle. I get that. But it cannot be argued that the program got WORSE under CWT. We were damn lucky to not go 0-12 either year. We barely eeked wins out against other horrible teams. Evidence that last year we fired the ENTIRE coaching staff, EXCEPT Coach Taggart. It's universally understood that the ONLY reason we didn't fire CWT is because we are STILL paying Holtz!!! Therefore, Taggart essentially performed to a level where he SHOULD have been fired after last season, and only survived on a 'technicality'. Note Holtz was fired after a 5 win season...

Couple that with our QB situation, and this is why I'm not hugely optimistic. From what I've seen, CWT is a really great guy, top class individual. I wish him EVERY success. But my comments stem from honesty. Same for Flowers... he seems like a great kid who has endured hardships, and I really want him to succeed. But I didn't see anything last season to make me want to invest the program in him. Spring went well 'eh?? Well I've heard that every spring for the last decade.

So now we have (another) complete re-boot of our coaching staff, except for CWT. Sorry, but now I want to see progress before I'll make any positive comments about our coaches. Great recruiting means nothing if it can't translate to performance, which is reflective of how good a COACH someone is... as opposed to a recruiter.

I know it takes time for the recruiting to make a difference, but CWT has had enough seasons. Our schedule is NOT that difficult. Bowl or bust for CWT, no excuses this time.

Programs that fire their coaches every three years usually remain programs that fire their coaches every three years. Again, Taggart gets a pass for year one and two in that it takes at least two years to undo the mess Holtz left behind.

His biggest priority is figuring out how to win without an experienced QB. If his defense steps up like I think they will this team will be in games. Again, many USF fans were spoiled by Leavitt's success and don't understand how hard it is to establish a winning program.

In my book he should get another two years short of a complete disaster or he loses his players.

I don't know if CWT is the long term answer but I can tell you that firing a coach every couple years is how you kill a program.

(05-24-2015 09:29 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(05-23-2015 09:16 AM)Bull Wrote:  I've been the optimist for years, but I'm not optimistic now... and I bleed green and gold. Basically, CWT came in and hired his own staff. I know Holtz degraded the program essentially losing a recruiting cycle. I get that. But it cannot be argued that the program got WORSE under CWT. We were damn lucky to not go 0-12 either year. We barely eeked wins out against other horrible teams. Evidence that last year we fired the ENTIRE coaching staff, EXCEPT Coach Taggart. It's universally understood that the ONLY reason we didn't fire CWT is because we are STILL paying Holtz!!! Therefore, Taggart essentially performed to a level where he SHOULD have been fired after last season, and only survived on a 'technicality'. Note Holtz was fired after a 5 win season...

Couple that with our QB situation, and this is why I'm not hugely optimistic. From what I've seen, CWT is a really great guy, top class individual. I wish him EVERY success. But my comments stem from honesty. Same for Flowers... he seems like a great kid who has endured hardships, and I really want him to succeed. But I didn't see anything last season to make me want to invest the program in him. Spring went well 'eh?? Well I've heard that every spring for the last decade.

So now we have (another) complete re-boot of our coaching staff, except for CWT. Sorry, but now I want to see progress before I'll make any positive comments about our coaches. Great recruiting means nothing if it can't translate to performance, which is reflective of how good a COACH someone is... as opposed to a recruiter.

I know it takes time for the recruiting to make a difference, but CWT has had enough seasons. Our schedule is NOT that difficult. Bowl or bust for CWT, no excuses this time.

Programs that fire their coaches every three years usually remain programs that fire their coaches every three years. Again, Taggart gets a pass for year one and two in that it takes at least two years to undo the mess Holtz left behind.

His biggest priority is figuring out how to win without an experienced QB. If his defense steps up like I think they will this team will be in games. Again, many USF fans were spoiled by Leavitt's success and don't understand how hard it is to establish a winning program.

In my book he should get another two years short of a complete disaster or he loses his players.

I don't know if CWT is the long term answer but I can tell you that firing a coach every couple years is how you kill a program.

You don't think other teams have to figure out how to win without an experienced QB?

Last year UH started the season with a true Sophomore and ended the season with a true sophomore who started the season as a WR?

The year before we had a true freshman starting 9 games.

In 2010, we had 2 freshmen starting 9 games. In 2007 we had a sophomore and a redshirt freshman taking all the snaps in their first starts. In 2003 we started a true freshman from the 1st game

Or look at OSU last year. A sophomore who started as 3rd on the depth charts in his first 3 games wins the Big 10 championship and national championship

(05-24-2015 02:06 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 09:29 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(05-23-2015 09:16 AM)Bull Wrote:  I've been the optimist for years, but I'm not optimistic now... and I bleed green and gold. Basically, CWT came in and hired his own staff. I know Holtz degraded the program essentially losing a recruiting cycle. I get that. But it cannot be argued that the program got WORSE under CWT. We were damn lucky to not go 0-12 either year. We barely eeked wins out against other horrible teams. Evidence that last year we fired the ENTIRE coaching staff, EXCEPT Coach Taggart. It's universally understood that the ONLY reason we didn't fire CWT is because we are STILL paying Holtz!!! Therefore, Taggart essentially performed to a level where he SHOULD have been fired after last season, and only survived on a 'technicality'. Note Holtz was fired after a 5 win season...

Couple that with our QB situation, and this is why I'm not hugely optimistic. From what I've seen, CWT is a really great guy, top class individual. I wish him EVERY success. But my comments stem from honesty. Same for Flowers... he seems like a great kid who has endured hardships, and I really want him to succeed. But I didn't see anything last season to make me want to invest the program in him. Spring went well 'eh?? Well I've heard that every spring for the last decade.

So now we have (another) complete re-boot of our coaching staff, except for CWT. Sorry, but now I want to see progress before I'll make any positive comments about our coaches. Great recruiting means nothing if it can't translate to performance, which is reflective of how good a COACH someone is... as opposed to a recruiter.

I know it takes time for the recruiting to make a difference, but CWT has had enough seasons. Our schedule is NOT that difficult. Bowl or bust for CWT, no excuses this time.

Programs that fire their coaches every three years usually remain programs that fire their coaches every three years. Again, Taggart gets a pass for year one and two in that it takes at least two years to undo the mess Holtz left behind.

His biggest priority is figuring out how to win without an experienced QB. If his defense steps up like I think they will this team will be in games. Again, many USF fans were spoiled by Leavitt's success and don't understand how hard it is to establish a winning program.

In my book he should get another two years short of a complete disaster or he loses his players.

I don't know if CWT is the long term answer but I can tell you that firing a coach every couple years is how you kill a program.

You don't think other teams have to figure out how to win without an experienced QB?

Last year UH started the season with a true Sophomore and ended the season with a true sophomore who started the season as a WR?

The year before we had a true freshman starting 9 games.

In 2010, we had 2 freshmen starting 9 games. In 2007 we had a sophomore and a redshirt freshman taking all the snaps in their first starts. In 2003 we started a true freshman from the 1st game

Or look at OSU last year. A sophomore who started as 3rd on the depth charts in his first 3 games wins the Big 10 championship and national championship

If you are surrounded by talented players you can make up for an inexperience d QB. USF hasn't had that since Taggart has been around. This year he will have that on the defensive side and even some playmakers at WR and RB that hadn't been there before. Thus is the reason that I feel he could go 6-6 or better. So it's not just about who you have as a QB but what talent you have surrounding them.

(05-20-2015 03:48 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 02:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4644763...in-mcneill

oleary at 4?

taggart better than 3 aac coaches?

If they would have taken the same poll during O'Leary's first couple years then he would have been at the bottom as well being that his first team went winless. Heck...just three years ago, O'Leary entered the season firmly on everyone's "hotseat".

The reality is that GOL didn't suddenly become a bad coach, he just inherited a complete reclamation job from the previous coach much like Taggart inherited a hot mess from Lou Holtz's son.

With that said, GOL proved his worth by year three and the onus is on Taggart to do the same. Just three years ago, Taggart was considered a rising young coach and had turned around a moribund WKU program into a dangerous program despite having to recruit under the SunBelt banner. If Taggart can survive this year....needs at least 6 wins...and can find some stability at the QB position he has a chance to be good in this league. The guy can recruit, players love to play for him and he was a good X's & O's guy at WVU due to the people he learned under.

Outside of message board drivel, GOL was never on anyone's hot seat after the 2011 season.

(05-20-2015 05:25 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 02:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 02:43 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Diaco and Johnson both squandered resources last year. Taggart makes sense at 9 or 10.

With that said, if UConn and Tulane uptick like they should... ...then Taggart is probably finishing dead last (and getting fired).

That's assuming Taggart doesn't win this year. If he goes 6-6 or better and goes to a bowl many will be thinking differently
He is going to have a very good defense and IF Flowers turns out to be half decent as a QB, USF will surprise many on this board

84 teams will go to a bowl game this year. It ain't a big deal!

unless you're one of the teams that doesn't go to a bowl

Id have mcneil and rhule higher and all 3 coaches lower. They are 0-0 in the conference. Have to prove youre good first