(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

"Undisciplined coaches have undisciplined players." -Damon Stoudamire

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

I think everyone realizes that the issue of Kedran being out of shape is really an issue of motivation/drive. He obviously had plenty of time to make significant strides in his conditioning and didn't appear to do it. I think at this point, as long as he's on the team, all we can do is hope that something clicks.

(05-21-2015 04:53 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 01:09 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 01:03 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 12:39 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 12:08 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  If you say so

I do. thanks for the endorsement. It means so much.

Well he's so much smarter than the rest of us. If you don't believe it just ask him.

Feeling inadequate? What a punk thing to say.

You are wasting time if you think you will get a reasoned, thought out response.

smh
So now we like...
Pastner is Coach K
Good fans
Those who defend King Josh
Doe
It is what it is

Don't expect more and you won't be disappointed.

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

(05-22-2015 09:29 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

If Kedran wants to be chubby and not do what needs to be done to be an elite basketball player, that's totally fine. But if that's the case then he doesn't need to be on the team. Can't have one foot in and one foot out. He's plenty old enough to be able to follow a strength and conditioning program, especially with all of the resources at his disposal. There needs to be a standard that's upheld and right now that's not happening. Hopefully Damon being on staff will change that.

(05-22-2015 09:58 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:29 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

If Kedran wants to be chubby and not do what needs to be done to be an elite basketball player, that's totally fine. But if that's the case then he doesn't need to be on the team. Can't have one foot in and one foot out. He's plenty old enough to be able to follow a strength and conditioning program, especially with all of the resources at his disposal. There needs to be a standard that's upheld and right now that's not happening. Hopefully Damon being on staff will change that.

good points.

(05-22-2015 11:10 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:58 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:29 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

If Kedran wants to be chubby and not do what needs to be done to be an elite basketball player, that's totally fine. But if that's the case then he doesn't need to be on the team. Can't have one foot in and one foot out. He's plenty old enough to be able to follow a strength and conditioning program, especially with all of the resources at his disposal. There needs to be a standard that's upheld and right now that's not happening. Hopefully Damon being on staff will change that.

good points.

While I usually agree with Stammers, because he's usually right, in this case I see Kedren as a full grown adult. Last year is past so rehashing what should or should not have been done is pointless, although if I were assigning blame Pastner would get his share, but there are no excuses this year. Show up in shape, ready to roll and with a killer attitude, or go rap somewhere else. I hope the guy turns into a stud this year, but if he doesn't it's his fault.

(05-22-2015 09:58 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:29 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

If Kedran wants to be chubby and not do what needs to be done to be an elite basketball player, that's totally fine. But if that's the case then he doesn't need to be on the team. Can't have one foot in and one foot out. He's plenty old enough to be able to follow a strength and conditioning program, especially with all of the resources at his disposal. There needs to be a standard that's upheld and right now that's not happening. Hopefully Damon being on staff will change that.

He is on the team and he proved last year that he is on the team no matter what. If he shows up in the same condition as last year, the exact same thing will happen as last year.

Pastner has shown that he has no fear when it comes to disciplining players after the fact. He needs to improve at getting players to avoid putting themselves in a position where they need to be disciplined in the first place.

There is probably no team in America that has had fewer off the court discipline issues during Josh's tenure here than us.

(05-22-2015 03:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:58 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:29 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

If Kedran wants to be chubby and not do what needs to be done to be an elite basketball player, that's totally fine. But if that's the case then he doesn't need to be on the team. Can't have one foot in and one foot out. He's plenty old enough to be able to follow a strength and conditioning program, especially with all of the resources at his disposal. There needs to be a standard that's upheld and right now that's not happening. Hopefully Damon being on staff will change that.

He is on the team and he proved last year that he is on the team no matter what. If he shows up in the same condition as last year, the exact same thing will happen as last year.

Pastner has shown that he has no fear when it comes to disciplining players after the fact. He needs to improve at getting players to avoid putting themselves in a position where they need to be disciplined in the first place.

We need Kedren to pick up where he left off last year and keep improving.

Great hire!

(05-22-2015 03:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:58 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:29 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

If Kedran wants to be chubby and not do what needs to be done to be an elite basketball player, that's totally fine. But if that's the case then he doesn't need to be on the team. Can't have one foot in and one foot out. He's plenty old enough to be able to follow a strength and conditioning program, especially with all of the resources at his disposal. There needs to be a standard that's upheld and right now that's not happening. Hopefully Damon being on staff will change that.

He is on the team and he proved last year that he is on the team no matter what. If he shows up in the same condition as last year, the exact same thing will happen as last year.

Pastner has shown that he has no fear when it comes to disciplining players after the fact. He needs to improve at getting players to avoid putting themselves in a position where they need to be disciplined in the first place.

Well that's a problem in Kendran's case because he showed up lacking focus and conditioning. It's not like he was doing well and then veered off course. Not here, anyway. If the first game rolls around and Kedran hasn't gotten into shape, I think Pastner just has to sit him and only bring him into games if we absolutely have to have him (foul trouble/injuries). If he decides he doesn't want to sit, then he can quit. But he can't be rewarded for not giving effort.

(05-20-2015 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:01 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Damon is a great fit for this basketball team and in this city. He is a head coach in waiting.

So is the guy in charge gonna be looking over his shoulder all season long?

Was this a Bowen hire or a Pastner hire?

A few weeks ago Josh said no major changes were being made to his staff.

Then Aki gets let go - without being hired away.

Doesn't sound like a Josh hire, but I don't know.

(05-26-2015 09:40 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:01 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Damon is a great fit for this basketball team and in this city. He is a head coach in waiting.

So is the guy in charge gonna be looking over his shoulder all season long?

Was this a Bowen hire or a Pastner hire?

A few weeks ago Josh said no major changes were being made to his staff.

Then Aki gets let go - without being hired away.

Doesn't sound like a Josh hire, but I don't know.

???

Really? Because in his interview Damon lays out exactly how it happened, and Aki's filled in a few more details.

(05-26-2015 09:37 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 03:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:58 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:29 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 06:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  A question about Kedren being out of shape...
How long will this be the excuse?
I know young men and women join the Army 'out of shape' every day. Usually by week 6 ir 7 in training...after all the running and all...they are in pretty good shape. A basketball season lasts longer than 6 or 7 weeks.

I don't think it was all being 'out of shape', I'd say another part of it lies between Kedren's ears and his chest...you cannot MAKE someone want to work hard or have heart....they either do or they don't.

They are just kids. It is normal for kids to have discipline problems, or not want to work out, or to not figure out the offense, be late for meetings and practice, put up bad shots, etc.

The reason that you pay a coach is for him to prevent kids from following their normal inclinations. It is no different than a parent trying to convince their child to eat their vegetables or do their homework.

If Kedran wants to be chubby and not do what needs to be done to be an elite basketball player, that's totally fine. But if that's the case then he doesn't need to be on the team. Can't have one foot in and one foot out. He's plenty old enough to be able to follow a strength and conditioning program, especially with all of the resources at his disposal. There needs to be a standard that's upheld and right now that's not happening. Hopefully Damon being on staff will change that.

He is on the team and he proved last year that he is on the team no matter what. If he shows up in the same condition as last year, the exact same thing will happen as last year.

Pastner has shown that he has no fear when it comes to disciplining players after the fact. He needs to improve at getting players to avoid putting themselves in a position where they need to be disciplined in the first place.

Well that's a problem in Kendran's case because he showed up lacking focus and conditioning. It's not like he was doing well and then veered off course. Not here, anyway. If the first game rolls around and Kedran hasn't gotten into shape, I think Pastner just has to sit him and only bring him into games if we absolutely have to have him (foul trouble/injuries). If he decides he doesn't want to sit, then he can quit. But he can't be rewarded for not giving effort.

If Kenden shows up in same or worse shape then he ended the season I say he doesn't even dress or travel to games until he gets into shape.

So exactly how did it happen, based on those two's accounts?

I say Kedren. 6 letter name..most of us got that down.

Only vowels are e's. First e sounds like the e in 'Key'. Second e
sounds like the e in 'pen''.

I figure he's waiting till we can spell his name to show us his best stuff.

(05-26-2015 10:37 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  I say Kedren. 6 letter name..most of us got that down.

Only vowels are e's. First e sounds like the e in 'Key'. Second e
sounds like the e in 'pen''.

I figure he's waiting till we can spell his name to show us his best stuff.

I'm waiting for him to show his best stuff before I spell his name correctly.

Thanks for the correction, though. Not sure why I want to spell it with an A.

dunno...you aren't alone. Maybe y'all just want him to bring his A game.

(05-26-2015 09:40 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:01 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Damon is a great fit for this basketball team and in this city. He is a head coach in waiting.

So is the guy in charge gonna be looking over his shoulder all season long?

Was this a Bowen hire or a Pastner hire?

A few weeks ago Josh said no major changes were being made to his staff.

Then Aki gets let go - without being hired away.

Doesn't sound like a Josh hire, but I don't know.

Can you find that interview? I keep hearing about it but the Gaston/Savoie interview that was reported on by Grant that people referred to had nothing of the kind. It may have come from another interview but Pastner did not say that in the quoted section.

Ive asked several times and nobody ever responds.