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Exclamation UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
The 10 Best Emerging College Football Rivalries
9. Cincinnati-UCF

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/24689...ies/page/3

Quote:Did you know that the American Athletic Conference is splitting into two divisions in 2015?

The addition of Navy brings membership up to 12, allowing the league to form East and West Divisions. Cincinnati, UConn, East Carolina, Temple, UCF and South Florida man the East, while Houston, Memphis, Navy, SMU, Tulane and Tulsa combine for the West.

This makes the East, with both Cincinnati and UCF, top-heavy. Combined, the two teams are 45-8 in conference play since 2011, with both only losing one league game per season.

No other American duo has performed as well over the same time period, making the Bearcats and Knights' placement in the same division a lot like Florida State and Clemson in the ACC Atlantic.

What the two don’t have going for them is history or geographic proximity. Cincinnati and UCF have never met in football, and the two schools are located 900 miles apart.

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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
Time will tell, can both stay very good? UCF vs USF is a natural, and I expect it will get bigger as USF gets further along in rebuilding itself. Cincy and UCF are not natural rivals by any measure.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
only if both remain on top...the top of any division or conference becomes rivalries over time...

if memphis isnt a 1 hit wander and houston returns to form, likely houston/memphis will become a rivalry, or any west team that will compete on a regular basis for the conference championship

but being honest i dont know how you having an argument for a budding rivalry for 2 teams that have never played each other. honestly of budding rivalries in the league (probably wont grow too big becuase of divsions) is the ucf/houston and memphis/cincy who seemingly are growing to dislike each other with each passing year but im not sure how far those will grow with the new divisions....

with that said few other points: i dont like the clemson/fsu comparison ...fsu/clemson recruit at the SEC level and pre ul played against g5 level recruiting acc teams in their division ...it was an obvious thing, the east isnt as top heavy as the acc atlantic
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
This conversation is 5 years too soon for these two teams. Let some 4th down plays decide your games, then you can hate UCF just like Houston does, cincy.

Jk- it's on my bucket list to go to a UCF game and jump to zombie nation while doing the YMCA, UCF style.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
Will it be perennially a good game? Probably.
Could it be a "crucial" game for the conference? Maybe.
Am I (as a fan) "looking forward" to this game? Yes.

Is it a "rivalry"? I don't see it.

And that's not a slam on UCF or the AAC or anything. Rivalries are funny things.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
(05-20-2015 01:49 AM)vcoog Wrote:  This conversation is 5 years too soon for these two teams. Let some 4th down plays decide your games, then you can hate UCF just like Houston does, cincy.

Jk- it's on my bucket list to go to a UCF game and jump to zombie nation while doing the YMCA, UCF style.

Bring some of those coeds with the jean shorts. They were nice to look at 2 years ago. 04-cheers
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
There is no tradition or history with this games yet. Right now, I don't see the Cincy game beating out USF and ECU as far as rivalry factor. USF is a natural rival and ECU has a bit of tension that spilled over from CUSA and expansion.

The stat they give is a little ridiculous because UCF hasn't been playing the same opponents as Cincy since 2011. UCF's CUSA record shouldn't be a comparable figure to Cincy's Big East record.

Also... We have no idea if expansion will start up again and change the geography. Cincy is likely the first one called up.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
Some of you are putting too much thought into and/or missing the point of the article. It's not saying that UCF-Cincy is a rivalry. It's saying that based on the new AAC divisional alignments and given our conference records historically, this will be one of the Top 10 emerging rivalries. Key word: emerging.

Also, the comparison to FSU-Clemson in the ACC Atlantic is just that, a simple comparison based on their similar divisional alignment and conference success. To the point about recruiting, UCF and Cincinnati actually do recruit at a different level than do the bottom tier teams in the division, save for USF.

Only time will really tell and as someone mentioned, expansion may have a say in this. However, as it stands right now, I can see why the author made that opinion.

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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
Could be a fun series...and maybe it will heat up even before the first game is ever played...similar to what happened to UCF/Marshall in 2002, which had instant hate by each team before the first game...and then especially after that first game.

Marshall, who recruited FLA pretty hard back then...is similar to Cinci...a team that has signed 15 players from FLA in their last 3 classes...so many players on each team probably know each other...and that always helps turn up the temp too.
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UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
Don't they know UCF/ECU have been rivals since CUSA?


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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
(05-20-2015 06:36 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Don't they know UCF/ECU have been rivals since CUSA?


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Whatever. Message board rivals maybe. Regular fans looking at it as a rivalry, not really.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
(05-20-2015 06:04 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Some of you are putting too much thought into and/or missing the point of the article. It's not saying that UCF-Cincy is a rivalry. It's saying that based on the new AAC divisional alignments and given our conference records historically, this will be one of the Top 10 emerging rivalries. Key word: emerging.

Also, the comparison to FSU-Clemson in the ACC Atlantic is just that, a simple comparison based on their similar divisional alignment and conference success. To the point about recruiting, UCF and Cincinnati actually do recruit at a different level than do the bottom tier teams in the division, save for USF.

Only time will really tell and as someone mentioned, expansion may have a say in this. However, as it stands right now, I can see why the author made that opinion.

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usf out recruits everyone in that league

ucf isnt a good recruiting team, they are a good developmental team, the last few years has been their best recruiting classes and that was from "joining the big east" and bcs bump and they technically aren't crazy enough to write home about..

traditionally ecu/ucf recruit at the same level

temple the last 2 years under their new coach has been recruiting at the ucf/cincy level...

cincy is marginally better than everyone in the division not usf but are still riding their bcs/aq buzz, im curious to see them when the dust settles.

uconn is the only team in the east that cant recruit, and they make up for it with the biggest athletic budget in the league.

ucf nor cincy are at a recruiting and athletic budget department advantage in their division nowhere remotely close to the fsu/clemson divide in the atlantic. they could easily end up regular powers in the division, who knows but the clemson/fsu comparison is ridiculous, fsu is a top 10 recruiting team, clemson is a top 15 recruiting team, recently added UL is the closest at around the 35 to 40 range.. the remaining 4 recruit at the aac level...fsu and clemson will walk into a advantage almost every divisional game they play (conference as aswell)..with athletic budgets around similar ratios

honestly the only team you could argue something like that for would be Houston in the west

also "Key word: emerging"....emerging means becoming apparent, important, or prominent. ucf and cincy have never played.....emerging makes no sense, something that doesnt exist cant be emerging, "potential rivalry" makes sense
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
Too soon to tell when we haven't even played yet. There's nothing really to dislike about UC the fans seem to be down to earth nice people and they worked their way up just like we did. Like Pesik said, emerging may be a bit of a misnomer, potential maybe.
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(05-20-2015 07:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 06:36 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Don't they know UCF/ECU have been rivals since CUSA?


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Whatever. Message board rivals maybe. Regular fans looking at it as a rivalry, not really.

It's a heated internet rivalry. 04-cheers
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
(05-20-2015 07:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 06:04 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Some of you are putting too much thought into and/or missing the point of the article. It's not saying that UCF-Cincy is a rivalry. It's saying that based on the new AAC divisional alignments and given our conference records historically, this will be one of the Top 10 emerging rivalries. Key word: emerging.

Also, the comparison to FSU-Clemson in the ACC Atlantic is just that, a simple comparison based on their similar divisional alignment and conference success. To the point about recruiting, UCF and Cincinnati actually do recruit at a different level than do the bottom tier teams in the division, save for USF.

Only time will really tell and as someone mentioned, expansion may have a say in this. However, as it stands right now, I can see why the author made that opinion.

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usf out recruits everyone in that league

ucf isnt a good recruiting team, they are a good developmental team, the last year few years has been their best recruiting class and that was because from "joining the big east" and bcs bump and they technically arent crazy enough to write home about..

traditionally ecu/ucf recruit are at the same level

temple the last 2 years under their new coach has been recruiting at the ucf/cincy level...

cincy is marginally better than everyone in the division not usf but are still riding their bcs/aq buzz, im curious to see them when the dust settles.

uconn is the only team in the east that cant recruit, and they make up for it with the biggest athletic budget in the league.

ucf nor cincy are at a recruiting and athletic budget department advantage in their division nowhere remotely close to the fsu/clemson divide in the coastal. they could easily end up regular powers in the division who knows but the clemson/fsu comparison is ridiculous, fsu is a top 10 recruiting team, clemson is a top 15 recruiting team, recently added UL is the closest at around the 35 to 40 range.. the remaining 4 recruit at the aac level...fsu and clemson will walk into a dvantage almost every divisional game they play (conference as aswell)..with athletic budgets around similar ratios

honestly the only team you could argue something like that for would be Houston in the west

also "Key word: emerging"....emerging means becoming apparent, important, or prominent. ucf and cincy have never played.....emerging makes no sense, something that doesnt exist cant be emerging, "potential rivalry" makes sense

If UCF could just recruit better and local, we'd be dominant. Although, I look at some of the better recruits that we lose to other schools and they are physically gifted but not smart or disciplined. FSU for example gets some of the top studs in the nation but they never seem to develop.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
(05-20-2015 07:52 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If UCF could just recruit better and local, we'd be dominant. Although, I look at some of the better recruits that we lose to other schools and they are physically gifted but not smart or disciplined. FSU for example gets some of the top studs in the nation but they never seem to develop.

i agree, i was looking at some ucf recruiting classes a while back, and was shocked to see 30-40% of your classes from Georgia..ucf is in a recruiting hot bed with no other p5 in the city or relatively close, but most of its pipelines are from Georgia
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
Not seeing it Hoakie Mark.....just not seeing it.

I don't think we will have enough time together for it to be a big rivalry. And we would be starting from scratch to boot.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
No offense to the folks at UCF, but I'd rather see a resumption of UC's rivalries with Louisville (among the older ones in college football), Pitt and Syracuse, and an emerging rivalry between UC and Virginia Tech. Talk it up, Hokie Mark.

Edit: And actually, I'd also welcome a resumption of UC's rivalry with FSU dating back to their old Metro Conference days.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
You got to have something on the line to have a rivalry.... ECU and UCF had CUSA E titles on the line.
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RE: UC vs UCF a future rivalry?
I dont see it happening. I expect the Cincy vs UCF matchups will usually be a lot of fun to watch, but I dont see it becoming a rivalry. I mean the dude lays out why in the article. I guess potentially, sure, but I dont see how. Because both programs are pretty good right now? I wouldnt say thats a fast-track for a rivalry.

Memphis on the other hand... thats shaping up nicely. Theres already a history there in football, basketball was/is a rivalry already based on the CUSA days (right? I've never been a big basketball guy but thats how everyone seems to remember it), the fans seem to love going at it. Honestly, I think someone needs to think up some clever trophy for this game. ("OHH but you cant just make up a trophy game, T-Shirt, thats stupid and fake!" Yeah, take a look at the River City Rivalry with Pitt. Not exactly steeped in decades of tradition that trophy is, is it? And that was always a game people looked forward to.)
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