(08-12-2015 06:59 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:24 AM)cnyrocketfan Wrote:  The National College Players Association is asking the NCAA to allow Illinois players to transfer without having to sit a year. Apparently this is related to the mistreatment allegations against Coach Beckman and his staff. Here's a link to an article from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../31486227/

RAID!!!!


NCPA, now that wouldn't be a political or self-entitled organization in any way, would it? Their goal is really that ANY player can transfer without penalty at any time. They see a slippery-slope opportunity and they're going to take it, regardless who it might unfairly hurt.

Just who exactly would transferring "unfairly hurt?" To me it seems ridiculous that players can't transfer in the off season whenever they'd like. Schools don't own players.

(08-12-2015 07:46 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:59 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:24 AM)cnyrocketfan Wrote:  The National College Players Association is asking the NCAA to allow Illinois players to transfer without having to sit a year. Apparently this is related to the mistreatment allegations against Coach Beckman and his staff. Here's a link to an article from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../31486227/

RAID!!!!


NCPA, now that wouldn't be a political or self-entitled organization in any way, would it? Their goal is really that ANY player can transfer without penalty at any time. They see a slippery-slope opportunity and they're going to take it, regardless who it might unfairly hurt.

Just who exactly would transferring "unfairly hurt?" To me it seems ridiculous that players can't transfer in the off season whenever they'd like. Schools don't own players.

They can do that if they don't want to play for an NCAA team. By playing on a team as part of the NCAA you accept its rules.

(08-12-2015 08:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 07:46 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:59 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:24 AM)cnyrocketfan Wrote:  The National College Players Association is asking the NCAA to allow Illinois players to transfer without having to sit a year. Apparently this is related to the mistreatment allegations against Coach Beckman and his staff. Here's a link to an article from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../31486227/

RAID!!!!


NCPA, now that wouldn't be a political or self-entitled organization in any way, would it? Their goal is really that ANY player can transfer without penalty at any time. They see a slippery-slope opportunity and they're going to take it, regardless who it might unfairly hurt.

Just who exactly would transferring "unfairly hurt?" To me it seems ridiculous that players can't transfer in the off season whenever they'd like. Schools don't own players.

They can do that if they don't want to play for an NCAA team. By playing on a team as part of the NCAA you accept its rules.

Yeah! What he said.

I mean, I get the "some people are getting rich off these kids" thing, I really do. But then, the priority has to ALWAYS be the academics and encouraging students to pick and stick based upon that. If "ownership" or in this case, "dis-ownership" is a problem as far as athletics, then attack that as a separate item.

Being that it is a team sport it would certainly be disruptive to a program if guys could transfer around annually at will. You want to see non-P5 athletics become minor league "feeder" clubs for the P5 just let that happen. "We don't have a spot for you at Ohio State this year. Why don't you go up to Toledo and let them house and train you for a year or two, then you can come down and work out for us and we'll see how you look." Baloney. The power conferences have enough advantages as it is.

That being said, in this particular case, if the situation is disruptive to a P5 program I'm all for it. Maybe we can get some transfers out of it.

(08-12-2015 10:00 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 08:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 07:46 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:59 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:24 AM)cnyrocketfan Wrote:  The National College Players Association is asking the NCAA to allow Illinois players to transfer without having to sit a year. Apparently this is related to the mistreatment allegations against Coach Beckman and his staff. Here's a link to an article from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../31486227/

RAID!!!!


NCPA, now that wouldn't be a political or self-entitled organization in any way, would it? Their goal is really that ANY player can transfer without penalty at any time. They see a slippery-slope opportunity and they're going to take it, regardless who it might unfairly hurt.

Just who exactly would transferring "unfairly hurt?" To me it seems ridiculous that players can't transfer in the off season whenever they'd like. Schools don't own players.

They can do that if they don't want to play for an NCAA team. By playing on a team as part of the NCAA you accept its rules.

Yeah! What he said.

I mean, I get the "some people are getting rich off these kids" thing, I really do. But then, the priority has to ALWAYS be the academics and encouraging students to pick and stick based upon that. If "ownership" or in this case, "dis-ownership" is a problem as far as athletics, then attack that as a separate item.

I thought you got an education in exchange for your tuition or the monetary value of the scholarship. How about the $$$ invested in facilities, staff, etc? Public universities which are owned by States, not private individuals, aren't they entitled to a rate of return? How many 18-19 year olds make $50,000-60,000 a year with only a HS degree? The companies I've worked have profited plenty off me. As a salaried worker
the amount of extra hours I've put in to make sure things went right
are worth more than $1,000,000 in non compensation over my lifetime. To say people are getting rich off these kids is a joke. Big difference between unloading a rail car or truck in 100 degree heat vs sitting an air-conditioned or heated class room/libraries checking out some coed and then heading to practice a sport you love. Man where do I sign up.

I was watching the Illinois component of the big ten network, as an interest in Coach Beckman. They interviewed the newly named starting QB. When asked about the distraction, he mentioned something along the lines of moving past it and mentioned "they love coach Beck".

Doesn't sound like there will be any attempt from the team at a mutiny. Again, things are probably blown wildly out of proportion.

I really appreciate the turn-around Coach Beckman orchestrated at Toledo. Thanks coach.

(08-12-2015 11:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 10:00 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 08:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 07:46 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 06:59 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  RAID!!!!


NCPA, now that wouldn't be a political or self-entitled organization in any way, would it? Their goal is really that ANY player can transfer without penalty at any time. They see a slippery-slope opportunity and they're going to take it, regardless who it might unfairly hurt.

Just who exactly would transferring "unfairly hurt?" ...

They can do that if they don't want to play for an NCAA team. By playing on a team as part of the NCAA you accept its rules.

Yeah! What he said.

I mean, I get the "some people are getting rich off these kids" thing, I really do. But then, the priority has to ALWAYS be the academics and encouraging students to pick and stick based upon that. If "ownership" or in this case, "dis-ownership" is a problem as far as athletics, then attack that as a separate item.

I thought you got an education in exchange for your tuition or the monetary value of the scholarship. How about the $$$ invested in facilities, staff, etc? Public universities which are owned by States, not private individuals, aren't they entitled to a rate of return? How many 18-19 year olds make $50,000-60,000 a year with only a HS degree? The companies I've worked have profited plenty off me. As a salaried worker
the amount of extra hours I've put in to make sure things went right
are worth more than $1,000,000 in non compensation over my lifetime. To say people are getting rich off these kids is a joke. Big difference between unloading a rail car or truck in 100 degree heat vs sitting an air-conditioned or heated class room/libraries checking out some coed and then heading to practice a sport you love. Man where do I sign up.

Boca, now we're on the same side of this, as far as transfer rules and respecting the opportunity to use athletics to get an education but I'm not going to build my case on ignoring the obvious. There are a LOT of people, from administration to coaching to entertainment media are making a pretty penny and by almost any standard, getting rich.

You're denying that?

Does anyone see a simularity between whats going on with coach Beck and Rich Rod he took over in Munchkin Land? They just did not like Rich Rod and that's how they forced him out.

(08-12-2015 02:43 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 10:00 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 08:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 07:46 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  Just who exactly would transferring "unfairly hurt?" ...

They can do that if they don't want to play for an NCAA team. By playing on a team as part of the NCAA you accept its rules.

Yeah! What he said.

I mean, I get the "some people are getting rich off these kids" thing, I really do. But then, the priority has to ALWAYS be the academics and encouraging students to pick and stick based upon that. If "ownership" or in this case, "dis-ownership" is a problem as far as athletics, then attack that as a separate item.

I thought you got an education in exchange for your tuition or the monetary value of the scholarship. How about the $$$ invested in facilities, staff, etc? Public universities which are owned by States, not private individuals, aren't they entitled to a rate of return? How many 18-19 year olds make $50,000-60,000 a year with only a HS degree? The companies I've worked have profited plenty off me. As a salaried worker
the amount of extra hours I've put in to make sure things went right
are worth more than $1,000,000 in non compensation over my lifetime. To say people are getting rich off these kids is a joke. Big difference between unloading a rail car or truck in 100 degree heat vs sitting an air-conditioned or heated class room/libraries checking out some coed and then heading to practice a sport you love. Man where do I sign up.

Boca, now we're on the same side of this, as far as transfer rules and respecting the opportunity to use athletics to get an education but I'm not going to build my case on ignoring the obvious. There are a LOT of people, from administration to coaching to entertainment media are making a pretty penny and by almost any standard, getting rich.

You're denying that?

There are also plenty of assistant coaches, production people, facilities staff, etc that don't make crap. If you want to tell me that top people in most fields have the largest paydays I would agree. If you going to tell me that there is something unique about a 3rd string Safety in the Sun Belt Conference that has a large impact on ESPN's revenue stream that justifies payment of anything beyond his scholarship money, cost of room, books, and meals then I will disagree with you.

(08-12-2015 09:44 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 02:43 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 11:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 10:00 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-12-2015 08:52 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  They can do that if they don't want to play for an NCAA team. By playing on a team as part of the NCAA you accept its rules.

Yeah! What he said.

I mean, I get the "some people are getting rich off these kids" thing, I really do. But then, the priority has to ALWAYS be the academics and encouraging students to pick and stick based upon that. If "ownership" or in this case, "dis-ownership" is a problem as far as athletics, then attack that as a separate item.

I thought you got an education in exchange for your tuition or the monetary value of the scholarship. How about the $$$ invested in facilities, staff, etc? Public universities which are owned by States, not private individuals, aren't they entitled to a rate of return? How many 18-19 year olds make $50,000-60,000 a year with only a HS degree? The companies I've worked have profited plenty off me. As a salaried worker
the amount of extra hours I've put in to make sure things went right
are worth more than $1,000,000 in non compensation over my lifetime. To say people are getting rich off these kids is a joke. Big difference between unloading a rail car or truck in 100 degree heat vs sitting an air-conditioned or heated class room/libraries checking out some coed and then heading to practice a sport you love. Man where do I sign up.

Boca, now we're on the same side of this, as far as transfer rules and respecting the opportunity to use athletics to get an education but I'm not going to build my case on ignoring the obvious. There are a LOT of people, from administration to coaching to entertainment media are making a pretty penny and by almost any standard, getting rich.

You're denying that?

There are also plenty of assistant coaches, production people, facilities staff, etc that don't make crap. If you want to tell me that top people in most fields have the largest paydays I would agree. If you going to tell me that there is something unique about a 3rd string Safety in the Sun Belt Conference that has a large impact on ESPN's revenue stream that justifies payment of anything beyond his scholarship money, cost of room, books, and meals then I will disagree with you.

I'm not telling or trying to tell you anything. I just related the argument given.

(08-12-2015 06:49 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  Does anyone see a simularity between whats going on with coach Beck and Rich Rod he took over in Munchkin Land? They just did not like Rich Rod and that's how they forced him out.

Yes. Public pressure (as much as it is dismissed) is incredibly powerful.