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RE: Who are CUSA's greatest athletic brands?
(05-04-2015 02:48 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: (05-04-2015 02:35 PM)WKUYG Wrote: (05-04-2015 02:14 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: (05-04-2015 01:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Again that;s your opinion and I guess that's what this whole topic is about...opinions. But if you could point me to this national branding it would save me the time spent on searching...
because no matter the conference or who each played I can't find enough to say they are any different than any other school.
As for the football and this year...
you said it "wasn't" sustainable. Which to me points to future days and years. So while you're right if we lose out of the gate, and over the last few years from reading your post...you seem to look at things more of they will go bad, I understand your point of view. But the past also reflects...Western is more likely to come out of the gate strong, then flounder, if we are going to...
it also reflects Western should win 7 or more games but then again that would be something no current CUSA school has done
Yes, it's an opinion, as are all these posts on subjective topics. My first post in this thread stated that I agree that it's difficult to define "brand" and I stated what I thought it was....."awareness". One must hear about or see in order to be aware. In my humble opinion, UAB and UTEP have been heard about and seen in the media far more...over time...in the last couple decades than WKU. WKU was stuck in the lowly SBC with little to no mention during the season in the national media. UAB and UTEP were playing Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc. on national TV on a regular basis. Americans are aware of UAB and UTEP, regardless of how many NCAA tournaments they played in.
As to football, I mentioned that the press we got from Petrino was not sustainable.....and since he no longer coaches at WKU, I think my point is valid. We got our bang for the buck out of him in his short tenure here but that press is going, going, gone.
Do we have potential this fall to be media darlings? Absolutely but until then, our "brand" is....we finished above 500 for four straight years.....yeehaaa...
So I think I get your point
UAB and UTEP got more press ..."branding" for who beat the dogcrap out of them...not anything they did?
As for the sustainable just because a coach or player is no longer there doesn't mean you can't sustain the press coverage. If we are going to look at things in that light...
every school that played in any of the previous versions of CUSA including UAB, UTEP, has ZERO chance to at sustaining the press they got from playing UofL, Memphis, Cinn...right?
But since you are saying Western can't just because a coach is no longer there....
didn't UAB and UTEP stop sustaining their "national brand" the day those other schools left? If so and this topic is about TODAY...
or is it?
OK...you're comparing decades of media exposure and press those schools got for playing widely considered great teams (and many times playing them well and beating them) against WKU's one year trist with Bobby Petrino? OK, gotcha..
Listen, I love WKU. I think we are a great addition to CUSA and will be a top tier program in the league for years to come in both basketball and football.....as we've always been in every league we've ever played in. I think we have the potential, now that we have quality programs to work play with, to reach greater heights than we have in the last couple decades. I'm just trying to be real here. I think WKU has a good brand. When you put MBB, WBB, and Football together, regardless of the level or league we've played in, we've always had sustained success on the national level. Final Fours in both Men's and Women's Basketball, 3 national title games at the DivII/FCS level in football, awesome lists of 20 win seasons in MBB and WBB, decades of football winning seasons, etc., etc., etc. All of that means very little in the mind of the casual sports fan. In essence, when VCU, ODU, UAB, LaTech, etc. left us behind in the SBC back in the early 90's, we've essentially been playing Division II basketball in the minds of the casual sports fan......just as we were with football until we moved to FBS.
Fwiw, no SBC fan was intentionally harmed by this post.
It was you that was comparing UAB and UTEP ( who never was in the conference with any of them) playing those schools...11 years ago as making them a "national brand". Yes it's been 11 YEARS since they played in CUSA.
It was also you that made the argument that the NCAA Tourney would probably make a team more known than a lot of bowl games. So I didn't only use BP in my argument...I also used basketball. And while I used numbers from as far back as 30 years ago...
I also used numbers from 5 and ten years ago.
As far as BP goes Western received a TON of top flight media coverage..espn, Yahoo, USA Today, Fox Sports...NATIONAL COVERAGE and does it really matter if some or even most of that was about BP's past?...
can't to this argument. Not if you are using the fact UAB got a national branding because of schools who beat them.
Again....you used both argument and I gave my opinion on why I thought they were wrong. Western has used the BP coverage and building on it and while you are right Western hasn't sustain the national coverage BP brought...
it's only been a little over a year and those last 2 games of 2014 game gave Western another foothold into that NATIONAL COVERAGE. With the team coming back it also gives Western the chance to build on to that. If you can't admit to that...
you get the last word because I don't need to waste any more time on this.
(edit) causal fans don't build a national branding...most fans can't name the schools in their conference muchless one team in CUSA. The media builds branding. So 11 years ago UAB got the benefit of [playing in a strong conference just as the bottom feeder P5 schools get today. But that was 11 yeas ago and I don't know how you can say any of that plays into national branding today...
not when the attention span of the average sports fan last to yesterday (last game) and as far as media goes unless you do something on the field or court to standout for a new of years...
WIN ALL YOUR GAMES
HOT NEW COACH
NCAA RUN
TOP 25
A HOT OLD COACH THAT GOT FIRED
they are not going to make any of us a national brand...other than that small time frame
(This post was last modified: 05-04-2015 03:44 PM by WKUYG.)
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