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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 12:39 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:26 PM)chess Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:18 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Nothing against NIU but the AAC programs have no familiarity with your programs. Everyone in our conference has had some history with each other before the AAC was formed. You guys are like a second cousin, we know you exist but don't know you nor have any like/dislike towards you.

Well, ECU did hire NIU's Athletic Director and many of his staff are now serving in Greenville.

NC State's football coach is the former coach of NIU.

Coach Kill at Minnesota is a former NIU coach.

Novak, the coach before those two, retired to the beaches in North Carolina.

NIU's campus has the charm of a prison but the school is very similar in size to ECU. It is a good school with a number of good programs.

NIU is a school to watch because conference changes happen.

And my buddy just got from a trip to Chicago. Seriously, no slam what so ever on NIU. Their results on the football field have been great. But they wouldn't move the needle in our conference with excitement. There is zero history on the field, no matter the coaches and admins background.

I lived in Indiana most of the younger part of my life and am a big Cubs fan.... and I never even heard of NIU till just a few years ago. Ive been to that city dozens of times.

Not saying they're not a good school but there is only ONE question you ask when looking at expansion... will it make the AAC any additional money.

NIU, UMass, Marshall.... NO, they dont. If they did, they would already be in.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 12:43 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:39 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:26 PM)chess Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:18 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Nothing against NIU but the AAC programs have no familiarity with your programs. Everyone in our conference has had some history with each other before the AAC was formed. You guys are like a second cousin, we know you exist but don't know you nor have any like/dislike towards you.

Well, ECU did hire NIU's Athletic Director and many of his staff are now serving in Greenville.

NC State's football coach is the former coach of NIU.

Coach Kill at Minnesota is a former NIU coach.

Novak, the coach before those two, retired to the beaches in North Carolina.

NIU's campus has the charm of a prison but the school is very similar in size to ECU. It is a good school with a number of good programs.

NIU is a school to watch because conference changes happen.

And my buddy just got from a trip to Chicago. Seriously, no slam what so ever on NIU. Their results on the football field have been great. But they wouldn't move the needle in our conference with excitement. There is zero history on the field, no matter the coaches and admins background.

I lived in Indiana most of the younger part of my life and am a big Cubs fan.... and I never even heard of NIU till just a few years ago. Ive been to that city dozens of times.

Not saying their a good school but there is only ONE question you ask when looking at expansion... will it make the AAC any additional money.

NIU, UMass, Marshall.... NO, they dont. If they did, they would already be in.

Are people going to turn the TV on for that game, go to it in person and can the TV people make money off it? Need 2 out of 3. Navy does that. Boise would. I think Air Force and maybe even Colorado State would.
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Re: RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
The only way the American is expanding is if they're getting a Conference Network. Otherwise it makes no sense.

I can understand expanding for markets "if" you have a conference network. Without one, you have no reason to expand at all.

I am for a "20" Team American Athletic Conference with it's own Network. I will not do the realignment thing and name teams. It's not the purpose of this board or this post.

My belief is that realignment is coming and many of the teams here will be in a different conference once that passes. We'll be together but, in a different conference. 07-coffee3
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 12:23 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:07 PM)YNot Wrote:  East (Red): UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, USF, UCF
Central (White): Tulsa, Tulane, Houston, SMU, NIU, Memphis
West (Blue): Boise St., BYU, San Diego St., Fresno St., Colorado St., UNLV
Military (Stars&Stripes): Navy, Army, Air Force

East, Central, West divisions - 5 divisional games, 3 cross-division games (one against each other division)

Military - 2 divisional games, 4 affiliate-division games (Army=East, Navy=Central, Air Force = West), and 2 cross-division games (one against each non-affiliate division)

I like the idea, but I think you need to check your math. If each of the 18 teams in the east, central, and west divisions play one game against the military division, that's 6 games a piece for the military academies. That would work fine, as their 2 games against the other military academies would bring them to an 8-game schedule. But with that, your idea of affiliate divisions will not work. Here is how it would actually work:

East, Central, West Divisions: 5 inter-division games, 1 game each against other 3 divisions

Military Division: 2 inter-division games, 2 games each against other 3 divisions

It would have the effect of the military academies playing a less regional, and more national schedule, which makes sense given their reach.

No, the math works perfectly and the schedule is actually more ideal to boost regionality and limit cross-country travel.

For instance, Air Force would play:

2 divisional games - Army and Navy
4 affiliate games - West: let's say, Colorado St., UNLV, SDSU, and Boise
2 cross games - one from East, one from Central - let's say UConn and Houston

This ensures that AFA plays more games out west with more regional opponents and less travel. For instance, home-road balance would be:

HOME: Army, CSU, SDSU, UConn
ROAD: Navy, UNLV, Boise, Houston

And, there are FOUR regional opponents - to enhance rivalries and regional intrigue - and 2 regional road trips. This also means that the West teams would play Air Force 4 times in 6 years, and each of Army and Navy once in 6 years.

Under your proposal, Air Force would play -

Army, Navy
Colorado St., UNLV (West)
Houston, Tulane (Central)
UConn, UCF (East)

This ENSURES that Air Force has greater travel.

HOME: Army, CSU, Tulane, UConn
ROAD: Navy, UNLV, Houston, UCF

That's only one regional road trip, only 2 regional opponents, and two road trips back East. While the nationwide American would be a great conference with a great brand, the Red, White, Blue, and Stars&Stripes setup will enhance the regional rivalries and intrigue and keep the travel costs under control.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:07 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:23 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:07 PM)YNot Wrote:  East (Red): UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, USF, UCF
Central (White): Tulsa, Tulane, Houston, SMU, NIU, Memphis
West (Blue): Boise St., BYU, San Diego St., Fresno St., Colorado St., UNLV
Military (Stars&Stripes): Navy, Army, Air Force

East, Central, West divisions - 5 divisional games, 3 cross-division games (one against each other division)

Military - 2 divisional games, 4 affiliate-division games (Army=East, Navy=Central, Air Force = West), and 2 cross-division games (one against each non-affiliate division)

I like the idea, but I think you need to check your math. If each of the 18 teams in the east, central, and west divisions play one game against the military division, that's 6 games a piece for the military academies. That would work fine, as their 2 games against the other military academies would bring them to an 8-game schedule. But with that, your idea of affiliate divisions will not work. Here is how it would actually work:

East, Central, West Divisions: 5 inter-division games, 1 game each against other 3 divisions

Military Division: 2 inter-division games, 2 games each against other 3 divisions

It would have the effect of the military academies playing a less regional, and more national schedule, which makes sense given their reach.

No, the math works perfectly and the schedule is actually more ideal to boost regionality and limit cross-country travel.

For instance, Air Force would play:

2 divisional games - Army and Navy
4 affiliate games - West: let's say, Colorado St., UNLV, SDSU, and Boise
2 cross games - one from East, one from Central - let's say UConn and Houston

This ensures that AFA plays more games out west with more regional opponents and less travel. For instance, home-road balance would be:

HOME: Army, CSU, SDSU, UConn
ROAD: Navy, UNLV, Boise, Houston

And, there are FOUR regional opponents - to enhance rivalries and regional intrigue - and 2 regional road trips. This also means that the West teams would play Air Force 4 times in 6 years, and each of Army and Navy once in 6 years.

Under your proposal, Air Force would play -

Army, Navy
Colorado St., UNLV (West)
Houston, Tulane (Central)
UConn, UCF (East)

This ENSURES that Air Force has greater travel.

HOME: Army, CSU, Tulane, UConn
ROAD: Navy, UNLV, Houston, UCF

That's only one regional road trip, only 2 regional opponents, and two road trips back East. While the nationwide American would be a great conference with a great brand, the Red, White, Blue, and Stars&Stripes setup will enhance the regional rivalries and intrigue and keep the travel costs under control.

Okay, I think I understand now. That makes sense to me. I wish the people who make these decisions had the balls to make something like this happen, but I doubt it will. It certainly would ensure that the AAC/MW hybrid conference is safe from future expansion. For example, if UConn and Cincinnati leave, you backfill with maybe UMass and Marshall. Or if BYU and Boise State leave, you've got programs like New Mexico, Wyoming, and Nevada to look at.
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Re: RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

That is neat.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
A UMass / Army FB combination wouldn't be bad honestly.

Quote:With that in place, Aresco would have the foundation of a decent league with decent rivalries–Army vs. Navy, UCF vs. USF, UMass vs. UConn. Maybe Memphis vs. Cincinnati.

^^^I've been saying this for a while now.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

(04-29-2015 01:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

That is neat.
Not that hard to do when there was a movie made about your college because of a tragedy that occurred there, not trying to be a debbie downer but anyone who argues Marshall doesnt owe the producers of that movie for all the free publicity they got is crazy.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

I believe you. I've experienced the same thing - even had a guy in Alberta recognize my ECU gear. That doesn't mean Marshall or ECU are "national brands". When I think "national brand" I'm thinking Notre Dame, Ohio State, Nebraska, Alabama... and so does most of the sports world.

That's what I meant with the 03-lmfao.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
YNot, I put together a sample schedule going strictly off alphabetical order with your proposed alignment:

East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Temple, UCF, USF, Army
Central: Houston, Memphis, Northern Illinois, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Navy
West: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, Air Force
Military: Air Force, Army, Navy

Cincinnati: Connecticut, East Carolina, Temple, UCF, USF, Houston, Boise State, Army
Connecticut: Cincinnati, East Carolina, Temple, UCF, USF, Memphis, BYU, Army
East Carolina: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Temple, UCF, USF, Northern Illinois, Colorado State, Army
Temple: Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, UCF, USF, SMU, Fresno State, Army
UCF: Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Temple, USF, Tulane, San Diego State, Air Force
USF: Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Temple, UCF, Tulsa, UNLV, Navy

Houston: Memphis, Northern Illinois, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Cincinnati, Boise State, Navy
Memphis: Houston, Northern Illinois, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Connecticut, BYU, Navy
Northern Illinois: Houston, Memphis, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, East Carolina, Colorado State, Navy
SMU: Houston, Memphis, Northern Illinois, Tulane, Tulsa, Temple, Fresno State, Navy
Tulane: Houston, Memphis, Northern Illinois, SMU, Tulsa, UCF, San Diego State, Air Force
Tulsa: Houston, Memphis, Northern Illinois, SMU, Tulane, USF, UNLV, Army

Boise State: BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, Cincinnati, Houston, Air Force
BYU: Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, Connecticut, Memphis, Air Force
Colorado State: Boise State, BYU, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, East Carolina, Northern Illinois, Air Force
Fresno State: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, San Diego State, UNLV, Temple, SMU, Air Force
San Diego State: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, UNLV, UCF, Tulane, Army
UNLV: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, USF, Tulsa, Navy

Air Force: Army, Navy, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, UCF, Tulane
Army: Air Force, Navy, Cincinnati, Connecticut, East Carolina, Temple, Tulsa, San Diego State
Navy: Air Force, Army, Houston, Memphis, Northern Illinois, SMU, USF, UNLV
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

That is neat.

"Hey Man, where'd you get that green Michigan hat?"
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:42 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

That is neat.

"Hey Man, where'd you get that green Michigan hat?"
+1

Or confusing it with Michigan St
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:42 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

That is neat.

"Hey Man, where'd you get that green Michigan hat?"
+1

Or confusing it with Michigan St

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(04-29-2015 12:30 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Umass will end up in CUSA to replace UAB.... and thats honestly where they belong. Its a solid BBall conference and they can compete at that level in football.

NIU is exactly where they should be. Markets are nice but I dont see the AAC ever going after them. They were never mentioned by anyone close to the Big East/AAC when we were formed. If we wanted them, then they would already be a part of us.

The teams that were looked at were Army, Air Force, BYU, Boise St and SDSU... and a few other MWC schools.

Marshal wasnt even brought up except by their own beat writer.

Most logical post in the thread. Reality is reality.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:42 PM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

That is neat.

"Hey Man, where'd you get that green Michigan hat?"
+1

Or confusing it with Michigan St

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Re: RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
(04-29-2015 01:35 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

(04-29-2015 01:31 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 12:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 11:17 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Of the schools that would actually come (no BYU isn't coming) I'd take Marshall over UMass. Marshall is located 'up there' near (nearer) to UConn and Temple, Marshall is a 'national brand,' and Marshall has a good football program.

03-lmfao @ "national brand."

Well we may not be the national brand that "Eastern" Carolina is....lmao!!!

One thing I can say, my business has taken me all across this Country. Everywhere I've been I've been approached at some point about the Marshall gear I wear. Pretty neat.

That is neat.
Not that hard to do when there was a movie made about your college because of a tragedy that occurred there, not trying to be a debbie downer but anyone who argues Marshall doesnt owe the producers of that movie for all the free publicity they got is crazy.

Marshall football was on the map before the movie came out. Heisman trophy finalists, top 25 finishes etc. But no doubt about it, the movie did help expand the awareness of our school across the country and throughout other parts of the world.
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RE: UMass and the AAC Need Each Other--Blaudschun
No to Marshall. After Doc leaves they are back to bad football. No tv market, very little support in their own home state, and way to many NQ's . Watch what happens to them when the Conf USA tv contracts gets worse than it already is. They add no value to the AAC. If they did, they would have been invited earlier by Aresco.
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