(04-24-2015 09:09 AM)ChapelHillTiger Wrote:  What is Memphis waiting for?

"East Carolina and CSL have identified four potential target areas and elements that warrant an early evaluation of interest:

Premium seating opportunities on the south side (suites, loge boxes, club seats)
Potential for west endzone on-field premium experience (hospitality tent suite or club)
Tailgate and parking upgrades
Technology needs in premium areas
Additionally, the study will also determine the viability and sustainability for the development of condominium or apartment-style units immediately adjacent to the stadium."

Cost to build an unneeded facility then operating and up keep cost. The one thing too many ignore about our current stadium lease. We may only get a percentage of parking, skybox and concession. But we do not pay a dime toward the cost of producing that revenue. Cost you the same to operate if 12,000 show up or if 50,000 show up. City of Memphis actually losing money every year on the operation of liberty bowl. That is with two large crowds that we will not have at OCS. Also if we move to OCS then it will open up dates for the city to schedule competing events at LBS.

Also traffic flow would be a major issue as there i only one road around the main campus with more than two lanes. And the lack of parking on the main campus. Any OCS would take up spots currently under consideration to alleviate the current parking problems.

We didn't get an NFL team in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

We may not make the P5 in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

That stadium has been nothing but bad luck since the day it was built.

(04-25-2015 04:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  We didn't get an NFL team in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

We may not make the P5 in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

That stadium has been nothing but bad luck since the day it was built.

Wrong on both counts.

We did not get expansion teams because we would not agree to new stadium UNTIL we were awarded the franchise. Same thing that we did with Griz. We agree to a new arena AFTER we got the team but not until.

We did not get into P6 because in the first round of expansion location was a factor and we were not near the Big East. The latter expansions we failed because we had nothing to offer. We were lousy in football and we had pathetic on practice facilities. We had to go to CBHS when it rained heavily in the week in order to practice.

LBS was not an issue.

(04-25-2015 05:07 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 04:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  We didn't get an NFL team in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

We may not make the P5 in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

That stadium has been nothing but bad luck since the day it was built.

Wrong on both counts.

We did not get expansion teams because we would not agree to new stadium UNTIL we were awarded the franchise. Same thing that we did with Griz. We agree to a new arena AFTER we got the team but not until.

We did not get into P6 because in the first round of expansion location was a factor and we were not near the Big East. The latter expansions we failed because we had nothing to offer. We were lousy in football and we had pathetic on practice facilities. We had to go to CBHS when it rained heavily in the week in order to practice.

LBS was not an issue.

Don't forget the stadium was first BUILT and then EXPANDED to land the NFL two times prior to the last failure. It's a legitimate three-strike failure.

(04-25-2015 07:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 05:07 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 04:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  We didn't get an NFL team in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

We may not make the P5 in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

That stadium has been nothing but bad luck since the day it was built.

Wrong on both counts.

We did not get expansion teams because we would not agree to new stadium UNTIL we were awarded the franchise. Same thing that we did with Griz. We agree to a new arena AFTER we got the team but not until.

We did not get into P6 because in the first round of expansion location was a factor and we were not near the Big East. The latter expansions we failed because we had nothing to offer. We were lousy in football and we had pathetic on practice facilities. We had to go to CBHS when it rained heavily in the week in order to practice.

LBS was not an issue.

Don't forget the stadium was first BUILT and then EXPANDED to land the NFL two times prior to the last failure. It's a legitimate three-strike failure.

How do you figure that? The Dallas Texans were willing to play in Tulane stadium if they could have gotten contract with the school. They couldn't so they moved to KC instead. Which was BEFORE the LBS was built. When it was expanded it was an almost exact copy of the big sombrero where the Bucs played.

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:02 AM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 09:09 AM)ChapelHillTiger Wrote:  What is Memphis waiting for?

"East Carolina and CSL have identified four potential target areas and elements that warrant an early evaluation of interest:

Premium seating opportunities on the south side (suites, loge boxes, club seats)
Potential for west endzone on-field premium experience (hospitality tent suite or club)
Tailgate and parking upgrades
Technology needs in premium areas
Addition
ally, the study will also determine the viability and sustainability for the development of condominium or apartment-style units immediately adjacent to the stadium."

The school is waiting on your check for $70M for starters. And that is just for the OCS, now factor the cost of the land needed for the facility and additional parking. So we can expect your check soon?

Tom Bowen, is that you?

(04-27-2015 08:40 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible. You have one two lane road surrounding the stadium, one small parking garage and minimal parking on Central and Walker. The location in picture has a single two lane road for access. One small parking garage and limited parking on Central and Walker. We do not have enough parking for all 20,000 students ti all be on campus at the same time. Where are you going to park 40,000 fans? The southern access road cannot be widened due to RR tracks. Which leaves you only Central Ave as traffic bottleneck. Beside the area in question is far too valuable for possible housing or education expansion.

(04-27-2015 12:42 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible.

Kinda like fitting in a seat at the FXF does not mean you are buying a ticket, right?

(04-27-2015 12:42 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 08:40 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible. You have one two lane road surrounding the stadium, one small parking garage and minimal parking on Central and Walker. The location in picture has a single two lane road for access. One small parking garage and limited parking on Central and Walker. We do not have enough parking for all 20,000 students ti all be on campus at the same time. Where are you going to park 40,000 fans? The southern access road cannot be widened due to RR tracks. Which leaves you only Central Ave as traffic bottleneck. Beside the area in question is far too valuable for possible housing or education expansion.

I understand. Those images are from the Heery Report which provided information on the feasibility of an OCS at Memphis. It accounted for not just stadium locations, but parking, plumbing, electrical, sewers, etc.

May be pie in the sky, but I'm always going to be on board with a plan that allows the school to have full control over it's facilities.

(04-27-2015 01:11 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 12:42 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 08:40 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible. You have one two lane road surrounding the stadium, one small parking garage and minimal parking on Central and Walker. The location in picture has a single two lane road for access. One small parking garage and limited parking on Central and Walker. We do not have enough parking for all 20,000 students ti all be on campus at the same time. Where are you going to park 40,000 fans? The southern access road cannot be widened due to RR tracks. Which leaves you only Central Ave as traffic bottleneck. Beside the area in question is far too valuable for possible housing or education expansion.

I understand. Those images are from the Heery Report which provided information on the feasibility of an OCS at Memphis. It accounted for not just stadium locations, but parking, plumbing, electrical, sewers, etc.

May be pie in the sky, but I'm always going to be on board with a plan that allows the school to have full control over it's facilities.

You are right - It did do just that. It's feasible, it fits, etc....and the Heery Report has been posted on here many times so everyone should be fully informed by now but judging by some of the comments, I guess not.

I also agree about being in control of the facilities. I also think the value of getting alums on campus 5 or 6 times a year is being grossly overlooked. How many alums are drawn to the campus now on any given football Saturday? Think it's easier to solicit donations from an excited alum that just tailgated by the new building on campus?

I don't think that is the only space available.

(04-27-2015 02:08 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 01:11 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 12:42 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 08:40 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible. You have one two lane road surrounding the stadium, one small parking garage and minimal parking on Central and Walker. The location in picture has a single two lane road for access. One small parking garage and limited parking on Central and Walker. We do not have enough parking for all 20,000 students ti all be on campus at the same time. Where are you going to park 40,000 fans? The southern access road cannot be widened due to RR tracks. Which leaves you only Central Ave as traffic bottleneck. Beside the area in question is far too valuable for possible housing or education expansion.

I understand. Those images are from the Heery Report which provided information on the feasibility of an OCS at Memphis. It accounted for not just stadium locations, but parking, plumbing, electrical, sewers, etc.

May be pie in the sky, but I'm always going to be on board with a plan that allows the school to have full control over it's facilities.

You are right - It did do just that. It's feasible, it fits, etc....and the Heery Report has been posted on here many times so everyone should be fully informed by now but judging by some of the comments, I guess not.

I also agree about being in control of the facilities. I also think the value of getting alums on campus 5 or 6 times a year is being grossly overlooked. How many alums are drawn to the campus now on any given football Saturday? Think it's easier to solicit donations from an excited alum that just tailgated by the new building on campus?

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Wow, never seen that vantage point of the stadium and Tiger Lane. Nice.

Most alums don't go to the games now. Having a stadium on campus might marginal help that. But not to the tune of $75 million or so. Save a huge amount of money and stay at the LB. JMO.

(04-27-2015 01:11 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 12:42 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 08:40 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible. You have one two lane road surrounding the stadium, one small parking garage and minimal parking on Central and Walker. The location in picture has a single two lane road for access. One small parking garage and limited parking on Central and Walker. We do not have enough parking for all 20,000 students ti all be on campus at the same time. Where are you going to park 40,000 fans? The southern access road cannot be widened due to RR tracks. Which leaves you only Central Ave as traffic bottleneck. Beside the area in question is far too valuable for possible housing or education expansion.

I understand. Those images are from the Heery Report which provided information on the feasibility of an OCS at Memphis. It accounted for not just stadium locations, but parking, plumbing, electrical, sewers, etc.

May be pie in the sky, but I'm always going to be on board with a plan that allows the school to have full control over it's facilities.

If you were to place the Herey report and an Obama campaign speech side by side, the campaign speech would have more credibility. Some want an OCS so badly they refused to look at the report objectively. The purpose of the report was NOT to see if an OCS was feasible or not. The purpose was to campaign for an OCS. The report made exaggerated assumptions and misrepresentation of the data they collected. They left out data which would not support their position.The powers that be looked at it for what it was. A bias piece of campaign material. It has massive flaws throughout the report. Too many of you take it as an unbiased neutral report. It is not. It was purposely designed to support the creation of an OCS. Many of the spaces they presented as possibilities for an OCS were already designated for other use in the long term physical planning for the University. I wish you would stop bringing up this flawed report. I have it saved under fictional material on my computer.

(04-25-2015 05:07 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 04:14 PM)Claw Wrote:  We didn't get an NFL team in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

We may not make the P5 in part because we refused to replace Liberty Bowl stadium.

That stadium has been nothing but bad luck since the day it was built.

Wrong on both counts.

We did not get expansion teams because we would not agree to new stadium UNTIL we were awarded the franchise. Same thing that we did with Griz. We agree to a new arena AFTER we got the team but not until.

We did not get into P6 because in the first round of expansion location was a factor and we were not near the Big East. The latter expansions we failed because we had nothing to offer. We were lousy in football and we had pathetic on practice facilities. We had to go to CBHS when it rained heavily in the week in order to practice.

LBS was not an issue.

Athletics did not factor into the reasoning for not getting into the Big East on the first go around. It was strictly academics that held us back and President Raines ramped up her program to improve the academic quality of education that we offered. That is that fact of the matter.

The presidents of the Big East had no inkling of what our practice facilities were or were not and could not have cared less. Their view on the state of Memphis football was that it would improve over time and they were not concerned with the current state of the program.

(04-27-2015 06:59 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 01:11 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 12:42 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 08:40 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible. You have one two lane road surrounding the stadium, one small parking garage and minimal parking on Central and Walker. The location in picture has a single two lane road for access. One small parking garage and limited parking on Central and Walker. We do not have enough parking for all 20,000 students ti all be on campus at the same time. Where are you going to park 40,000 fans? The southern access road cannot be widened due to RR tracks. Which leaves you only Central Ave as traffic bottleneck. Beside the area in question is far too valuable for possible housing or education expansion.

I understand. Those images are from the Heery Report which provided information on the feasibility of an OCS at Memphis. It accounted for not just stadium locations, but parking, plumbing, electrical, sewers, etc.

May be pie in the sky, but I'm always going to be on board with a plan that allows the school to have full control over it's facilities.

If you were to place the Herey report and an Obama campaign speech side by side, the campaign speech would have more credibility. Some want an OCS so badly they refused to look at the report objectively. The purpose of the report was NOT to see if an OCS was feasible or not. The purpose was to campaign for an OCS. The report made exaggerated assumptions and misrepresentation of the data they collected. They left out data which would not support their position.The powers that be looked at it for what it was. A bias piece of campaign material. It has massive flaws throughout the report. Too many of you take it as an unbiased neutral report. It is not. It was purposely designed to support the creation of an OCS. Many of the spaces they presented as possibilities for an OCS were already designated for other use in the long term physical planning for the University. I wish you would stop bringing up this flawed report. I have it saved under fictional material on my computer.

The only obstacle to an OCS that cannot be overcome is will. There is no will to do it. So the excuses abound. But make no mistake, they are all excuses. An OCS could be done several different ways if the commitment to do it was there.

(04-27-2015 04:00 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  Most alums don't go to the games now. Having a stadium on campus might marginal help that. But not to the tune of $75 million or so. Save a huge amount of money and stay at the LB. JMO.

A real visionary huh? Dreamers, thinkers,...oh never mind why bother.

(04-27-2015 10:05 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 06:59 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 01:11 PM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 12:42 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 08:40 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

Just because you can physically fit a stadium in a location does not make it feasible. You have one two lane road surrounding the stadium, one small parking garage and minimal parking on Central and Walker. The location in picture has a single two lane road for access. One small parking garage and limited parking on Central and Walker. We do not have enough parking for all 20,000 students ti all be on campus at the same time. Where are you going to park 40,000 fans? The southern access road cannot be widened due to RR tracks. Which leaves you only Central Ave as traffic bottleneck. Beside the area in question is far too valuable for possible housing or education expansion.

I understand. Those images are from the Heery Report which provided information on the feasibility of an OCS at Memphis. It accounted for not just stadium locations, but parking, plumbing, electrical, sewers, etc.

May be pie in the sky, but I'm always going to be on board with a plan that allows the school to have full control over it's facilities.

If you were to place the Herey report and an Obama campaign speech side by side, the campaign speech would have more credibility. Some want an OCS so badly they refused to look at the report objectively. The purpose of the report was NOT to see if an OCS was feasible or not. The purpose was to campaign for an OCS. The report made exaggerated assumptions and misrepresentation of the data they collected. They left out data which would not support their position.The powers that be looked at it for what it was. A bias piece of campaign material. It has massive flaws throughout the report. Too many of you take it as an unbiased neutral report. It is not. It was purposely designed to support the creation of an OCS. Many of the spaces they presented as possibilities for an OCS were already designated for other use in the long term physical planning for the University. I wish you would stop bringing up this flawed report. I have it saved under fictional material on my computer.

The only obstacle to an OCS that cannot be overcome is will. There is no will to do it. So the excuses abound. But make no mistake, they are all excuses. An OCS could be done several different ways if the commitment to do it was there.

Based on what. The report is as worthless as the paper it is written on. IT IS A JOKE. Case in point. They claim that Louisville saw a massive increase in attendance due to the new stadium. But when you look into the details you see a one win team the year before the new stadium to a bowl team the first year in new stadium. The first three home games attendance was about the same both years. But it didn't drop off when the team started winning unlike the year before where attendance fell dramatically later in the year. But the report omits this part of the data it only says look here attendance at old stadium compared to attendance at new stadium. If the report intentionally omits data that does not support their position then you cannot trust any part of the report.

You act like we are somehow incapable of building a facility. We aren't. We don't have the will to do it though. The report is irrelevant (and becoming hopelessly out of date).