(04-24-2015 01:57 PM)carolinaknights Wrote:  Doubt the Chargers are leaving San Diego. The owners are using LA as leverage for a new stadium and the team would need the approval of the league to move anyway.

Chargers stay home and eventually get a new stadium. Aztecs use it on Saturdays. Two post season bowls use it during the holidays to sell local hotel rooms and bring the crowds into town to spike business in the restaurants and bars.

Rams move back to LA.

Jaguars move to St. Louis where the locals would support the team. Florida barely supports 3 teams. Of course if one or some of them start winning and contending again maybe attendance will go up again.

Oakland who knows. They won't get a new stadium in Oakland so maybe the league will allow them to team up with the Rams in the new LA stadium. Heck the league may allow them to move there alone and make everyone else stay where they are - period.

the chargers will leave....its been a matter of when not if for years. Now one fan on here mentioned that SDSU could be forced to drop football if The Q gets demo'd. That was the rumor for years but with San Diego's owner and the cities battles have been very public there over the past 2 decades, SDSU has quietly been working behind the scenes preparing for the inevitable. They won't drop football now.

(04-24-2015 08:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:57 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

You certainly aren't familiar with raiders fans if you think the move would make them lose a lot of fans.

oh how wrong you are....im an ex-raider fan because growing up in Iowa you were either a Bear or Packer fan or more than likely just picked a team. The "cool kids" wore raider gear so I did too...then I actually met real Raider fans from LA and later Oakland-- Classless bunch. Started to nominally follow the Warren Moon era Oilers in the 92 season, because they were the closest team to where I lived obviously...then they moved. Now I'm apathetic to the NFL. I tried not to, but I just cant root for the cowboys or Texans.

(04-24-2015 05:57 PM)leapinggazelle Wrote:  Sounds like a huge waste of money, SDSU has no prayer of moving up to P-5.

Who said anything about moving up to a P5?

Of course that is just about everyone's goal but it is a long shot for most including the AZTECS.

(04-24-2015 08:24 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 05:57 PM)leapinggazelle Wrote:  Sounds like a huge waste of money, SDSU has no prayer of moving up to P-5.

Who said anything about moving up to a P5?

Of course that is just about everyone's goal but it is a long shot for most including the AZTECS.

You are chatting with a Villanova fan that hates all of us

Oh and Villanova chicks are ugly

Villanova is where you go when Georgetown rejects you.

(04-24-2015 03:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  A lot of the resistance to urban schools building stadiums is about tax money building a stadium that either draws crowds ( in which case the owners should be paying for it) or doesn't draw crowds (in which case it was a huge waste of money.)

A stadium being built as part of a big expansion of SDSU is a very different animal, politically. Packaging an SDSU (and MLS) stadium with new dorms and college buildings is a much more attracitve package. (Politics matters because you have to navigate zoning, utilities, etc.)

Indeed politics plays a significant factor.

SDSU has a significant economic impact and is extremely well connected politically in the San Diego Region.

I can't say the the same for the Chargers. They provide an insignificant economic impact to our region. And I believe they may have burned one too many bridges at San Diego City Hall.

Best case scenario is that they move out of town ASAP.

Secondary would be for them to build a downtown stadium.

Either of these scenarios would end in SDSU moving forward with a West Campus expansion and a new SDSU stadium.

(04-24-2015 08:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 08:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:57 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

You certainly aren't familiar with raiders fans if you think the move would make them lose a lot of fans.

oh how wrong you are....im an ex-raider fan because growing up in Iowa you were either a Bear or Packer fan or more than likely just picked a team. The "cool kids" wore raider gear so I did too...then I actually met real Raider fans from LA and later Oakland-- Classless bunch. Started to nominally follow the Warren Moon era Oilers in the 92 season, because they were the closest team to where I lived obviously...then they moved. Now I'm apathetic to the NFL. I tried not to, but I just cant root for the cowboys or Texans.

Okay, maybe that's true of fans in the Midwest. I live in Northern California. Raiders fans are die hards. I'm surrounded by raiders fans, people I went to schools with grew up with are life long raiders fans despite being in Oakland or LA. Raiders have multiple retail stores specifically with apparel and merchandise, similar to the auburn and Alabama stores in malls there. No other sports can claim such within the region, not with multiple locations at least.

(04-24-2015 09:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 08:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 08:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 10:57 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

You certainly aren't familiar with raiders fans if you think the move would make them lose a lot of fans.

oh how wrong you are....im an ex-raider fan because growing up in Iowa you were either a Bear or Packer fan or more than likely just picked a team. The "cool kids" wore raider gear so I did too...then I actually met real Raider fans from LA and later Oakland-- Classless bunch. Started to nominally follow the Warren Moon era Oilers in the 92 season, because they were the closest team to where I lived obviously...then they moved. Now I'm apathetic to the NFL. I tried not to, but I just cant root for the cowboys or Texans.

Okay, maybe that's true of fans in the Midwest. I live in Northern California. Raiders fans are die hards. I'm surrounded by raiders fans, people I went to schools with grew up with are life long raiders fans despite being in Oakland or LA. Raiders have multiple retail stores specifically with apparel and merchandise, similar to the auburn and Alabama stores in malls there. No other sports can claim such within the region, not with multiple locations at least.

I agree with you on the Raider gear/apparel. Yeah people love those colors and a certain rap group made up of giants in the industry immortalized Raider colors in the early 90's....

It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/op...san-diego/

"Got your checklist? The Chargers will move to LA unless we give the team a plan to subsidize the stadium with at least $500 million in public money without the risk involved in waiting for a real estate development to come together and it has to be fully approved much sooner than ever imagined. A vote will have to be called and approved before teams start officially vying for Los Angeles.

Or the mayor has to change course and renege on his pledge to let the people vote on a plan. Maybe send a letter to the NFL apologizing for taking so long with its billion dollars.

That’s just to make the Chargers happy.

Laugh out loud.

Maybe the mayor could not satisfy the team at all and this was all a folly — an elegant trap he’s stumbled into. Or maybe the Chargers really would have gone along with a downtown plan. Though if time and risk are intolerable for Mission Valley, it’s hard to see how they would have been better downtown.

Regardless, it’s done. Unless plans in LA fall apart, the Chargers are breaking up with the city. The mayor just might have to decide if he wants to dump them first."

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

Good riddance. I love professional sports, but private businesses should not be subsidized by tax payers.

Exactly. These places should last 50 years if not a century (granted, Qualcomm IS 50 years old) and building every few years is absurd.

(04-23-2015 12:02 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

no NFL team in your immediate market is a bigger deal than most realize. It's the same with UCF-Orlando vs USF-Tampa. All things equal USF will never bc a bigger focus than the TB Bucs if both are winning at the same time.

If that mattered, teams like Memphis, Tulsa, UAB, ECU, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, UCONN, etc...would be near the tops in college football attendance.

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

(04-25-2015 09:30 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

Good riddance. I love professional sports, but private businesses should not be subsidized by tax payers.

This

(04-26-2015 08:22 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

Remember when Turner Field was built it was built as a temporary multi-use stadium...as that is where the Track & Field and I think opening/closing ceremonies for the 1996 Olympics.

It was stupid to build the "baseball" stadium some 2 miles from downtown...and not connected to MARTA.

Since most of the Braves season tix base lives North of Downtown...its hard for those to drive back home in rush hour...pick up the family...then drive back into downtown for a weeknight game (majority of their home schedule).

Many new baseball stadiums built around or after Turner Field....have been built in downtown areas and San Diego was one of them (along with Denver, Seattle, San Fran, DC et al).

Not clue if ATL had built a stadium in Mid-Town some 15-20 years ago if it would have been different...but unlike some other cities, the Braves clientele live so far from downtown, hence the moves to the suburbs.

(04-25-2015 11:30 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Exactly. These places should last 50 years if not a century (granted, Qualcomm IS 50 years old) and building every few years is absurd.

Yup. I find it absurd that the St. Louis Rams want a new stadium after only 20 years! Edward Jones Stadium opened in 1995!

Fu@k the NFL and the corporate welfare they demand!

(04-26-2015 08:22 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

Is there a less poltically correct way of saying that?

(04-26-2015 09:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Remember when Turner Field was built it was built as a temporary multi-use stadium...as that is where the Track & Field and I think opening/closing ceremonies for the 1996 Olympics.

It was stupid to build the "baseball" stadium some 2 miles from downtown...and not connected to MARTA.

Since most of the Braves season tix base lives North of Downtown...its hard for those to drive back home in rush hour...pick up the family...then drive back into downtown for a weeknight game (majority of their home schedule).

Many new baseball stadiums built around or after Turner Field....have been built in downtown areas and San Diego was one of them (along with Denver, Seattle, San Fran, DC et al).

Not clue if ATL had built a stadium in Mid-Town some 15-20 years ago if it would have been different...but unlike some other cities, the Braves clientele live so far from downtown, hence the moves to the suburbs.

Well at least the Braves made use of the old Olympic Stadium instead of letting it get torn down or letting it rot as a relic (as some of these stadiums do internationally) as much as we all complain about how many and how often these stadiums are getting built.

(04-26-2015 11:15 AM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  Yup. I find it absurd that the St. Louis Rams want a new stadium after only 20 years! Edward Jones Stadium opened in 1995!

Fu@k the NFL and the corporate welfare they demand!

These stadiums should be built with renovation in mind so that when its no longer state of the art after 20 or 30 years, it can be upgraded for another 20-30 years. That's easier said by me than done, I'm not an architect but goodness, this corporate welfare as you put it can't continue. Heck, other than the corporate types having a hissy fit for not having all of their needs and conveniences met, these games could be played at local colleges.