Jackson1011 Wrote:Since I'm off the clock and GA hasn't responded...I've done some digging....It seems Memphis has only been to three bowl games in its history. Tiger fans, if that is incorrect please let me know

Gray Avenger, where is the great Tiger football tradition that you spoke of?

http://cfreference.net/cfr/show_all_school_seasons/916

Not quite correct - we also played in the now-defunct Pasadena Bowl (1971) and the Burley Bowl (1956). Certainly that is less than impressive, but are bowl games the only measure of football tradition? Besides, I did not claim "great tradition", only that ours is 94 years long compared to USF's 10. I can tell you that I take pride in what tradition we do have, because, unlike some schools which have had great fortune dropped in their lap, Memphis has had to scratch and claw for everything. Surrounded by powerful rivals Tennessee, Ole Miss (yes, they were a powerhouse during segregation) and Arkansas we were suppressed and kept out of the SEC, and thereby realistic hopes of bowl games. You may know that for many years bowl games were not plentiful and generally only the schools belonging to "name" conferences were ever invited. As an example of what Tiger football has endured, in 1963 we were undefeated including a 0-0 tie with #3 Ole Miss and a win over #11 Mississippi State. That team turned down an invitation to the new Sun Bowl expecting an invitation from the then-more prestigious Gator Bowl which had been flirting, but the call never came and that great team sat at home. The Orange Bowl which, by inviting Miami when they deserved a chance, helped that program break thru and become a success. Unfortunately for Tiger football, the Liberty Bowl (owned and brought to Memphis by a Notre Dame alum) spent the next 27 years ignoring the home team despite deserving records of 8-2 (that was 1969 when we beat UL 69-19) and 8-3 (and numerous other winning records) while sometimes inviting 6-5 SEC schools. Nevertheless, we own wins over the likes of Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Georgia Tech, Miami, Ole Miss, Southern Cal and Tennessee. We have also lost games at such famous stadiums as Georgia, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, and Texas A&M. I call it tradition - you may not, and that's ok. Some say that tradition doesn't matter in college athletics anymore - I think it always will. Am I "jealous" of USF? Maybe, but I bear them no ill will. Am I bitter? Damn right (that seems to be the lot of Southerners), but still have my pride.

Take your memphis state stuff to where it belongs .the cusa board.

tigersharktwo Wrote:Take your memphis state stuff to where it belongs .the cusa board.

Your gracious and courteous hospitality is exceeded only by your charming wit, grammar and punctuation.

USF has never been ranked, yet they are now on par with programs who have multiple national titles?

I guess crack does smoke itself.

The Knight Time Wrote:USF has never been ranked, yet they are now on par with programs who have multiple national titles?

I guess crack does smoke itself.

Who said anything about USF being on par with programs that have won national titles? No one. But USF was a better team that Miami and FSU last year, and probably will be again this year. If that is too hard for you to comprehend, then just look at Louisville for example, who beat Miami like a hated stepchid last year. They were most undoubtedly the better team last year and more than likely will again be better than Miami this season. That doesn't mean that Louisville , the program is better than Miami's program, does it?

cuseroc Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:USF has never been ranked, yet they are now on par with programs who have multiple national titles?

I guess crack does smoke itself.

Who said anything about USF being on par with programs that have won national titles? No one. But USF was a better team that Miami and FSU last year, and probably will be again this year. If that is too hard for you to comprehend, then just look at Louisville for example, who beat Miami like a hated stepchid last year. They were most undoubtedly the better team last year and more than likely will again be better than Miami this season. That doesn't mean that Louisville , the program is better than Miami's program, does it?

You have to understand, he is part of the UCF hate and envy group when it comes to USF.

CatsClaw Wrote:USF has made it the Big Four in Florida. Can they match Florida, Florida State and Miami's tradition? Of course not. Can they win 9 or 10 games, crack the Top 25 and play in top quality bowl games and compete for a BCS conference championship? No doubt about it. South Florida is on the rise!

That's pure class catsclaw...usually the fans of Cincy and USF are at each other as bad as outsiders. I think it's because both of your programs are up and comers so there is a little bit of a rivary about who's better. However, this post is an example of how we circle the wagons regardless of our little differences in house.

3601 Wrote:We've been to 5 bowl games. All minor bowl games...

That being said, what does tradition have to do with it? Until about 15 years ago, Memphis' FB tradition (as bad as it was) was better than Louisville's.

Johnny Unitas would like a word with you...

Seriously, Louisville had played in more bowl games than you by 1993. How can you make the argument that Memphis' FB tradition was EVER BETTER than Louisville's?

USFFan

15 years ago we were coming off a Fiesta Bowl season.

cardtopper Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:USF has made it the Big Four in Florida. Can they match Florida, Florida State and Miami's tradition? Of course not. Can they win 9 or 10 games, crack the Top 25 and play in top quality bowl games and compete for a BCS conference championship? No doubt about it. South Florida is on the rise!

That's pure class catsclaw...usually the fans of Cincy and USF are at each other as bad as outsiders. I think it's because both of your programs are up and comers so there is a little bit of a rivary about who's better. However, this post is an example of how we circle the wagons regardless of our little differences in house.

I'd have to say I disagree with that. I don't think USF and Cincinnati fans are "at each other as bad as outsiders." Not even close. Take a look at this thread and every attack that comes at USF from UCF, Memphis, East Carolina, Southern Miss...

In fact, the only time I remember there being any kind of squabbles between USF and Cincinnati fans was this past fall when a) some Bearcat fans felt they were being disrespected because USF started getting some hype and publicity in a season where Cincinnati had beaten USF and b) Gregg Doyel said that USF's coaching staff had ratted out Hernol Hal to the NCAA and had him declared ineligible.

USFFan

CyberBull Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

Maize Wrote:Mike T with help from Tom Jurich and Bob Goin made the right choice 3 years ago.

Yes, Tranghese's protection of the non-football parasite schools was a brilliant move (just ask Tigershark2). And who could question the selection of USF over Memphis? All Memphis has done recently is play in bowl games 3 of the last 4 years, play in back-to-back Elite 8's and compete very well (currently 2nd place) in one the best baseball conferences in the country. Bringing a bowl game better than most of what the BE now has and having attendances in football and basketball far superior to USF's obviously were of little value. Having proximity and traditional nationally-recognized rivalries with Louisville and Cincinnatti were also of negligible value. My hat is off to your commissioner's brilliant leadership.

Which is the better fb program, memphis or USF? Be honest with yourself because its a no brainer.

Right now? USF.

However, if it was Memphis who received the BCS Big East Invite in Nov 2003 instead of USF...I would imagine that the roles/performances might be reversed.

USF has had a big advantage over schools like Memphis, UCF, etc...since they received the BCS invite in Nov 2003.

Many schools take advantage of BCS Membership (some don't).

Did you come up with that all by yourself? Brilliant!!

Why yes I did...because a few folks on this board didn't realize that having a BCS label attached to your program can (and usually does) help attract better football players vs those programs that do not have that label attached to their program.

I don't dislike USF. I think that based on us beating USF convincingly and being a sophomore dominated team we be getting at least as much publicity for the upcoming season as they are. I don't want USF getting less pub, I want us getting more because I think tour kids earned the publicity USF is getting. The good thing with sports is it will all play itself out on the field in Tampa this year.

As for the Hernol Hall thing that's an unproven rumor. If true it would lead me to be angry at the staff for doing it but that staff was fired anyway so now there would be no reason for being angry with the USF basketball staff.

The Knight Time Wrote:USF has never been ranked, yet they are now on par with programs who have multiple national titles?

I guess crack does smoke itself.

Harvard has 7 national championships. Yale has 6, Penn and Princeton have 4 each. I'd argue that USF would crush any of them. Minnesota has 5 titles and Illinois has 2. I believe that USF would be favored to beat either of those two teams. Pitt has 4 national championships, yet clearly USF is "on par" with the Panthers.

As has been pointed out, USF in effect controls its own destiny. If USF wins out, they are GUARANTEED a BCS bowl bid. That is something that only four schools in the state of Florida can say. Thus, it's fair and proper to group USF with the other three schools. You don't have to like it, but you can't refute it.

I guess words do eat themselves.

USFFan

RealDeal Wrote:I don't dislike USF. I think that based on us beating USF convincingly and being a sophomore dominated team we be getting at least as much publicity for the upcoming season as they are. I don't want USF getting less pub, I want us getting more because I think tour kids earned the publicity USF is getting. The good thing with sports is it will all play itself out on the field in Tampa this year.

As for the Hernol Hall thing that's an unproven rumor. If true it would lead me to be angry at the staff for doing it but that staff was fired anyway so now there would be no reason for being angry with the USF basketball staff.

I don't think anybody thought many Cincy fans "disliked" USF.

That said, maybe this will serve as a decent analogy. In 2005, USF "convincingly" beat Louisville in Tampa with a young team. Following that, Louisville went into 2006 with considerable publicity and serious discussion of them being a team that could play for a national championship. Should USF fans have been upset about this and pushing for more publicity at the start of 2006? I think the reason why WE'RE getting worked up is that this is realistically the first time we've ever getting much positive press after we've been subjected to nothing but scorn for our selection into the Big East, and every time we see the positive press, somebody from Cincinnati says "yeah but..." It comes across like you're trying to rain on our parade.

That said, you're right - it will be settled on the field this year. Unlike some of our other series, the Cincinnati (and Louisville, for that matter) games have always gone to the home team. Thus, I'm glad we have both in Tampa this year. With Rutgers and WVU, the home teams have yet to win.

USFFan

usffan Wrote:

RealDeal Wrote:I don't dislike USF. I think that based on us beating USF convincingly and being a sophomore dominated team we be getting at least as much publicity for the upcoming season as they are. I don't want USF getting less pub, I want us getting more because I think tour kids earned the publicity USF is getting. The good thing with sports is it will all play itself out on the field in Tampa this year.

As for the Hernol Hall thing that's an unproven rumor. If true it would lead me to be angry at the staff for doing it but that staff was fired anyway so now there would be no reason for being angry with the USF basketball staff.

I don't think anybody thought many Cincy fans "disliked" USF.

That said, maybe this will serve as a decent analogy. In 2005, USF "convincingly" beat Louisville in Tampa with a young team. Following that, Louisville went into 2006 with considerable publicity and serious discussion of them being a team that could play for a national championship. Should USF fans have been upset about this and pushing for more publicity at the start of 2006? I think the reason why WE'RE getting worked up is that this is realistically the first time we've ever getting much positive press after we've been subjected to nothing but scorn for our selection into the Big East, and every time we see the positive press, somebody from Cincinnati says "yeah but..." It comes across like you're trying to rain on our parade.

That said, you're right - it will be settled on the field this year. Unlike some of our other series, the Cincinnati (and Louisville, for that matter) games have always gone to the home team. Thus, I'm glad we have both in Tampa this year. With Rutgers and WVU, the home teams have yet to win.

USFFan

I'm not sure the Louisville analogy is a good fit for you. Upsetting Louisville is one thing, UC had a great season last year playing a much tougher schedule- the year was at least as good as USF's while dealing USF a beatdown on the field. You're suggesting that in relation to UC, USF sits in Louisville's position relative to USF. I could see why UC fans wouldn't find that notion acceptable.

L-yes Wrote:

usffan Wrote:

RealDeal Wrote:I don't dislike USF. I think that based on us beating USF convincingly and being a sophomore dominated team we be getting at least as much publicity for the upcoming season as they are. I don't want USF getting less pub, I want us getting more because I think tour kids earned the publicity USF is getting. The good thing with sports is it will all play itself out on the field in Tampa this year.

As for the Hernol Hall thing that's an unproven rumor. If true it would lead me to be angry at the staff for doing it but that staff was fired anyway so now there would be no reason for being angry with the USF basketball staff.

I don't think anybody thought many Cincy fans "disliked" USF.

That said, maybe this will serve as a decent analogy. In 2005, USF "convincingly" beat Louisville in Tampa with a young team. Following that, Louisville went into 2006 with considerable publicity and serious discussion of them being a team that could play for a national championship. Should USF fans have been upset about this and pushing for more publicity at the start of 2006? I think the reason why WE'RE getting worked up is that this is realistically the first time we've ever getting much positive press after we've been subjected to nothing but scorn for our selection into the Big East, and every time we see the positive press, somebody from Cincinnati says "yeah but..." It comes across like you're trying to rain on our parade.

That said, you're right - it will be settled on the field this year. Unlike some of our other series, the Cincinnati (and Louisville, for that matter) games have always gone to the home team. Thus, I'm glad we have both in Tampa this year. With Rutgers and WVU, the home teams have yet to win.

USFFan

I'm not sure the Louisville analogy is a good fit for you. Upsetting Louisville is one thing, UC had a great season last year playing a much tougher schedule- the year was at least as good as USF's while dealing USF a beatdown on the field. You're suggesting that in relation to UC, USF sits in Louisville's position relative to USF. I could see why UC fans wouldn't find that notion acceptable.

I don't know about that L-Yes. USF after their loss to Cincinnati did do something that had not happen and that was snap West Virginia home win streak in a dispite the score a convincing manner.

Maize Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

usffan Wrote:

RealDeal Wrote:I don't dislike USF. I think that based on us beating USF convincingly and being a sophomore dominated team we be getting at least as much publicity for the upcoming season as they are. I don't want USF getting less pub, I want us getting more because I think tour kids earned the publicity USF is getting. The good thing with sports is it will all play itself out on the field in Tampa this year.

As for the Hernol Hall thing that's an unproven rumor. If true it would lead me to be angry at the staff for doing it but that staff was fired anyway so now there would be no reason for being angry with the USF basketball staff.

I don't think anybody thought many Cincy fans "disliked" USF.

That said, maybe this will serve as a decent analogy. In 2005, USF "convincingly" beat Louisville in Tampa with a young team. Following that, Louisville went into 2006 with considerable publicity and serious discussion of them being a team that could play for a national championship. Should USF fans have been upset about this and pushing for more publicity at the start of 2006? I think the reason why WE'RE getting worked up is that this is realistically the first time we've ever getting much positive press after we've been subjected to nothing but scorn for our selection into the Big East, and every time we see the positive press, somebody from Cincinnati says "yeah but..." It comes across like you're trying to rain on our parade.

That said, you're right - it will be settled on the field this year. Unlike some of our other series, the Cincinnati (and Louisville, for that matter) games have always gone to the home team. Thus, I'm glad we have both in Tampa this year. With Rutgers and WVU, the home teams have yet to win.

USFFan

I'm not sure the Louisville analogy is a good fit for you. Upsetting Louisville is one thing, UC had a great season last year playing a much tougher schedule- the year was at least as good as USF's while dealing USF a beatdown on the field. You're suggesting that in relation to UC, USF sits in Louisville's position relative to USF. I could see why UC fans wouldn't find that notion acceptable.

I don't know about that L-Yes. USF after their loss to Cincinnati did do something that had not happen and that was snap West Virginia home win streak in a dispite the score a convincing manner.

UC beat the hell out of Rutgers.

Anyone who watched WVU/USF saw WVU with a few bum wheels. I'm not taking anything away from USF but UC did just as much on the field imo playing Louisville to the wire and beating down Rutgers and USF.

L-yes Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

usffan Wrote:

RealDeal Wrote:I don't dislike USF. I think that based on us beating USF convincingly and being a sophomore dominated team we be getting at least as much publicity for the upcoming season as they are. I don't want USF getting less pub, I want us getting more because I think tour kids earned the publicity USF is getting. The good thing with sports is it will all play itself out on the field in Tampa this year.

As for the Hernol Hall thing that's an unproven rumor. If true it would lead me to be angry at the staff for doing it but that staff was fired anyway so now there would be no reason for being angry with the USF basketball staff.

I don't think anybody thought many Cincy fans "disliked" USF.

That said, maybe this will serve as a decent analogy. In 2005, USF "convincingly" beat Louisville in Tampa with a young team. Following that, Louisville went into 2006 with considerable publicity and serious discussion of them being a team that could play for a national championship. Should USF fans have been upset about this and pushing for more publicity at the start of 2006? I think the reason why WE'RE getting worked up is that this is realistically the first time we've ever getting much positive press after we've been subjected to nothing but scorn for our selection into the Big East, and every time we see the positive press, somebody from Cincinnati says "yeah but..." It comes across like you're trying to rain on our parade.

That said, you're right - it will be settled on the field this year. Unlike some of our other series, the Cincinnati (and Louisville, for that matter) games have always gone to the home team. Thus, I'm glad we have both in Tampa this year. With Rutgers and WVU, the home teams have yet to win.

USFFan

I'm not sure the Louisville analogy is a good fit for you. Upsetting Louisville is one thing, UC had a great season last year playing a much tougher schedule- the year was at least as good as USF's while dealing USF a beatdown on the field. You're suggesting that in relation to UC, USF sits in Louisville's position relative to USF. I could see why UC fans wouldn't find that notion acceptable.

I don't know about that L-Yes. USF after their loss to Cincinnati did do something that had not happen and that was snap West Virginia home win streak in a dispite the score a convincing manner.

UC beat the hell out of Rutgers.

Anyone who watched WVU/USF saw WVU with a few bum wheels. I'm not taking anything away from USF but UC did just as much on the field imo playing Louisville to the wire and beating down Rutgers and USF.

You're right, but USF did it on the road and that was a little more impressive. Plus I have the feeling the media is looking at the fact that Dantonio left while Leavitt is still in Tampa.

But like someone said earlier in this thread, they will settle it on the field and it should be a very good game.

usffan Wrote:Seriously, Louisville had played in more bowl games than you by 1993. How can you make the argument that Memphis' FB tradition was EVER BETTER than Louisville's?

The following are the scores from the first 8 football games ever played between the Cardinals and Tigers:

YEAR Tigers Cards
1948 13 7
1952 29 25
1961 28 13
1962 49 0
1963 25 0
1964 34 0
1968 44 14
1969 69 19

They finally beat us in 1970. They should not feel bad though - it took Cincy 11 tries.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

usffan Wrote:Seriously, Louisville had played in more bowl games than you by 1993. How can you make the argument that Memphis' FB tradition was EVER BETTER than Louisville's?

The following are the scores from the first 8 football games ever played between the Cardinals and Tigers:

YEAR Tigers Cards
1948 13 7
1952 29 25
1961 28 13
1962 49 0
1963 25 0
1964 34 0
1968 44 14
1969 69 19

They finally beat us in 1970. They should not feel bad though - it took Cincy 11 tries.

Awesome. Put up our last 10.