FSU was unhappy two years ago and they're grumbling again.

https://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1758834

Their concerns will ultimately be what spurs additional movement. At some point the ACC will have a network and the Big12 will be left wanting.

Jeeze Florida state has been whining about one thing or another since the metro conference days

(04-22-2015 02:21 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Jeeze Florida state has been whining about one thing or another since the metro conference days

At the root of FSU's frustration is their desire to be viewed and accepted by the media and public as a true peer-institution of the University of Florida. But such acceptance is 50 years away at the minimum (and only if everything goes well). Hence their perpetual grumpiness.

Maybe they ought to just open up a chain of Seafood restaurants.......

(04-22-2015 02:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 02:21 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Jeeze Florida state has been whining about one thing or another since the metro conference days

At the root of FSU's frustration is their desire to be viewed and accepted by the media and public as a true peer-institution of the University of Florida. But such acceptance is 50 years away at the minimum (and only if everything goes well). Hence their perpetual grumpiness.

They need to accept their inferior place.

(04-22-2015 02:21 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Jeeze Florida state has been whining about one thing or another since the metro conference days

right? If they had just joined us (ECU) Cinci, Louisville, Miami etc in the early 90's with the Metro football plan!! I realize the ACC was a better offer but just imagine if it would've happened for the rest of our schools??? Ahh...what could of been

Do they really have anyone else to blame but themselves? For years, they openly yearned for the SEC. Then when the SEC finally offers ... they got their feelings hurt as they weren't wined & dined like the ACC did for them.

I felt then and forever that choosing the ACC over SEC would eventually be a perpetual error.

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Do they really have anyone else to blame but themselves? For years, they openly yearned for the SEC. Then when the SEC finally offers ... they got their feelings hurt as they weren't wined & dined like the ACC did for them.

I felt then and forever that choosing the ACC over SEC would eventually be a perpetual error.

They would be Miss St in the SEC.

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Do they really have anyone else to blame but themselves? For years, they openly yearned for the SEC. Then when the SEC finally offers ... they got their feelings hurt as they weren't wined & dined like the ACC did for them.

I felt then and forever that choosing the ACC over SEC would eventually be a perpetual error.

Did FSU officially reject an invite to the SEC?

(04-22-2015 09:47 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Do they really have anyone else to blame but themselves? For years, they openly yearned for the SEC. Then when the SEC finally offers ... they got their feelings hurt as they weren't wined & dined like the ACC did for them.

I felt then and forever that choosing the ACC over SEC would eventually be a perpetual error.

They would be Miss St in the SEC.

gators mad they mad

(04-22-2015 03:06 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  Maybe they ought to just open up a chain of Seafood restaurants.......

No - just buy stock in grocery stores that sell crab legs where you star QB can get a "HOOK UP" with one of the local employees.

FSU isnt going anywhere. $50 million exit fee and a GOR will make it WAY expensive. FSU isnt cash rich and doenst have really deep pockets. The Big 12 currently makes about the same as the ACC except for the fact that they can sell their 3rd tier rights. Kansas got $7 million a year and FSU "might" be able to get the same.
With the ACC about to launch its network, its expected to add $3-4 million a year per team in revenue. That means FSU moving to the Big 12 would only net them maybe $3-4 million addtional revenue each year. With the exit fee and GOR it would take them 2 decades to get their money back.

Then lets think about this... ESPN owns the rights to the ACC and Big 12. Why would they help? It would take the only legitimate football team that the ACC had right now.

(04-23-2015 11:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Do they really have anyone else to blame but themselves? For years, they openly yearned for the SEC. Then when the SEC finally offers ... they got their feelings hurt as they weren't wined & dined like the ACC did for them.

I felt then and forever that choosing the ACC over SEC would eventually be a perpetual error.

Did FSU officially reject an invite to the SEC?

After taking Arkansas in 1990 FSU was the SEC's next target. they wanted to keep the ACC out of Florida. When Bobby Bowden balked because the level of competition was too high in the SEC, the SEC moved on to Miami. Miami wanted to stay in the Big East to help its basketball program. that left only South Carolina as a remaining target who had already preemptively agreed to join the SEC if offered. I believe they were independent at the time.

South Carolina was a football independent but it's other sports were in the metro

fsu is 155-44 vs the acc since joining.

in the 90's after joining the acc, fsu was 62-2, it was pure slaughter.

fsu has won the acc about 15 times since they joined.they won 9 outa the
first 10 acc titles after they joined.

fsu won about 30 straight conf games after they joined the acc.

it was a joke and still is. it took last second heroics to beat the sec in the nat championship game. fsu beat everyone in the acc by 30 and 40 points. the only schools to keep it close were sec schools.

no way in hell they would have dominated SEC or any other conference. bowden was from birmingham, played at alabama and howard college (now samford) and understood the sec would bury fsu as a mid range team. heck when bowden played at bama and howard college in birmingham--- florida state had only been accepting men for a couple of years because it had beena girls school. i know a couple of men s that went to fsu in the 1960's because it was easy to get admitted.

i think its all interesting and amazing that fsu had grown into a big time school so to speak in the past 50 years. people can spin it anyway they want but fsu wanted no part of the SEC or any other football conference. they still dont want be in a conf with texas and oklahoma, fsu is and has been a big fish in a small football pond for 30 years.

if texas, alabama, ohio state and usc....for example... go to the playoffs and an undefeated florida state gets left out due to playing soft old big east schools the GOR wont be worth the paper its printed on. the lawyers will worm them outa the deal on a broken promise or performance clasue.

thats what the big money folks at fsu fear and it will be the price they are gonna pay for being in the week acc. i still dont think fsu will jump but they will rattle their sabres to get more respect for the acc. fsu doesnt want to win a conference championsip by beating up a powderpuff like duke. its looks bad, hence the deregulation talk so they can look better beating an interdivisional opponent.

they reason fsu has its panties in a wad now after all those years of using the acc to pad their stats is because there are only 4 spots and the beating up powder puff method may not be enough anymore to get them a shot at the MNC.

there it is, no spin all layed out flat.

(04-25-2015 12:39 AM)shere khan Wrote:  fsu is 155-44 vs the acc since joining.

in the 90's after joining the acc, fsu was 62-2, it was pure slaughter.

fsu has won the acc about 15 times since they joined.they won 9 outa the
first 10 acc titles after they joined.

fsu won about 30 straight conf games after they joined the acc.

it was a joke and still is. it took last second heroics to beat the sec in the nat championship game. fsu beat everyone in the acc by 30 and 40 points. the only schools to keep it close were sec schools.

no way in hell they would have dominated SEC or any other conference. bowden was from birmingham, played at alabama and howard college (now samford) and understood the sec would bury fsu as a mid range team. heck when bowden played at bama and howard college in birmingham--- florida state had only been accepting men for a couple of years because it had beena girls school. i know a couple of men s that went to fsu in the 1960's because it was easy to get admitted.

i think its all interesting and amazing that fsu had grown into a big time school so to speak in the past 50 years. people can spin it anyway they want but fsu wanted no part of the SEC or any other football conference. they still dont want be in a conf with texas and oklahoma, fsu is and has been a big fish in a small football pond for 30 years.

if texas, alabama, ohio state and usc....for example... go to the playoffs and an undefeated florida state gets left out due to playing soft old big east schools the GOR wont be worth the paper its printed on. the lawyers will worm them outa the deal on a broken promise or performance clasue.

thats what the big money folks at fsu fear and it will be the price they are gonna pay for being in the week acc. i still dont think fsu will jump but they will rattle their sabres to get more respect for the acc. fsu doesnt want to win a conference championsip by beating up a powderpuff like duke. its looks bad, hence the deregulation talk so they can look better beating an interdivisional opponent.

they reason fsu has its panties in a wad now after all those years of using the acc to pad their stats is because there are only 4 spots and the beating up powder puff method may not be enough anymore to get them a shot at the MNC.

there it is, no spin all layed out flat.

Heres the BIG question though.... How and WHY?

FSU isnt going to the SEC. Florida will not let it happen. Florida has an ally in this, Georgia, South Carolina and Texas A&M. None want a B12 or ACC school added and will easily vote against it. I also have heard that Bama and Auburn are not fans of the idea of adding FSU, who recruits the same areas locally.
So where can they go? Big 10... nope, theyre not AAU. Only Florida could be added from this state. So that leaves the Big 12.

The Big 12 and ACC make roughly the same money with the exception of the ability to sell its third tier rights. The ACC is making their own network. The Big 12 made a moderate sum in the NCAA tournament... the ACC just set a new record for NCAA credits.

When you put pen to paper, a move to the B12 won't make FSU much more money at all and with a $50 million exit fee and GOR, it wont be cheap. Can they get out of it, hell ya. Everybody gets out if they want but Maryland showed us that the $50 million exit fee is actually about $32... but we have no idea how much the GOR will cost, since that was added after they left.

Also, Maryland had a legal leg to stand on since they voted against the exit fee, whereas FSU and company voted not only for it but also the GOR. I wouldnt doubt at all that it costs FSU a minimum of $50 million total to leave and with the marginal difference in income, it would take them a decade to make that back.... plus they would have to play harder football teams, no longer be associated with the top notch academics of the ACC (which has helped their rankings) and they would no longer be in the ACCs research co-op.

but throw ALL of that out the window. I dont eve care about it.

Heres the real reason they arent going to the B12. It doesnt make sense for ESPN.

Why would ESPN cripple the ACC? You take out Clemson and FSU and the ACC is now basically the AAC in football. The ACC has but one and slightly a second shining star in the turd that is ACC football. UNC is about to get hammered, Miami screws up every few years, Virginia Tech is a shell of itself, Duke got pretty good but nobody cared.

If ANYBODY thinks conference realignment has anything to do with helping the school or conference then youre insane. It has to do with making ESPN (first) and Fox (second) more money. Boston College openly admited that raiding the Big East was ESPNs idea and supported by them. In the Maryland lawsuit against the ACC, they said the exact same thing.

The Big East told ESPN no on the $10 million a year deal they offered and said we were going to market. Less then a year later there was nothing left of the Big East. Why? Because we were no longer a sure bet and an asset to ESPN. If we had played ball, I gurantee to you that Texas, Tech, OK and OSU would be in the Pac16 and ISU, KU, KSU, and Baylor would be in the Big East along with TCU. That was the plan, we mucked it up and ESPN gang raped us for it.

This is why any conference realignment will more then likely happen between ESPN owned conferences. The ONLY wildcard is The Big 10. They are the only non ESPN controlled player on the board and they could mess things up. This is why I think that you wont see a massive bid by ESPN. They will keep it realistic and allow Fox to take it without a huge fight. Then Fox agrees to not help the B10 take any ACC teams.

With ESPN and Fox working together, they can both make a ton of cash and control college sports.

So FSU will stay exactly where they are.

The only moves that terrify me are by the Big 10. They have the income to make things happen and do not have to bow to ESPN since they will be bid on by everyone. With an estimated $45 million income in 2016, they could rip teams out of anywhere other then the SEC.

I WANT ESPN to move Texas and the 3 step sisters to the Pac12 because it means many pieces of the AAC get moved into the Big 12. The worst case scenario is for the Big 10 to start raiding the ACC.

For example:

The Big 10 makes a move and gets 2 ACC teams to move over... Id guess they would try for Virginia and UNC. Very tough to get but if UNC sees the writing on the wall, they may make the move.
At that point, the SEC isnt going to sit still. I think they would make a move for Virginia Tech and possibly NC State.

(these are market based moves and have little to do with competition. the SEC doesnt need to be tougher and the Big 10 is going for markets, as will the SEC as soon as the network is started up.)

The SEC doesnt need help in the Georgia, South Carolina or Florida markets. They are already the top dogs there, but they have no market penetration in Virginia or North Carolina. This is why I assume those moves.

Now the ACC has lost 4 teams. At that point I can see ESPN moving Texas, Tech, Ok and OSU to the Pac12 and then merging the remaining 6 Big 12 with the last 10 from the ACC. Now you have four 16 team conferences and Notre Dame.

All AAC teams get shut out again. For those in the AAC that think they have a chance of moving to bigger things, the best situation is for the Big 10 to remain still AND for the Longwhore network to fail. Once the Big 10 is making $45 million and Texas is still in the Mid $30 million, they will begin to revisit that move to the Pac12, where estimates of income with the Big 12 additions is much closer in revenue.

Only then will any of us ever have a shot at moving to the Big 12... which honestly, if they go to 16 teams would be a pretty cool conference to be in and have decent income.

(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)MemTGRS Wrote:  Do they really have anyone else to blame but themselves? For years, they openly yearned for the SEC. Then when the SEC finally offers ... they got their feelings hurt as they weren't wined & dined like the ACC did for them.

I felt then and forever that choosing the ACC over SEC would eventually be a perpetual error.

Bingo. Bowden screwed them for immediate conference championships. Miami came along later and look where they are too.