Quote:He's not american, arived from shanghi on august 7th last year on a student visa... There's more to this...

You'd think its time for Uncle Sam to close the door or at least severly limit the number of foreigners that get student visas. It strikes me that ordinary background checks aren't doing the job


Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:He's not american, arived from shanghi on august 7th last year on a student visa... There's more to this...

You'd think its time for Uncle Sam to close the door or at least severly limit the number of foreigners that get student visas. It strikes me that ordinary background checks aren't doing the job


Jackson

That's easier said than done. Many of our nation's universities are need these foreign students in order to conduct their federally funded research (which, not coincidentally, accounts for a major chunk of their income via overhead charges). We don't have nearly enough domestic students going into the sciences, which is responsible for the bulk of this sponsored research.

USFFan

Its all pretty jacked up. We're cool with letting illegals stay and receive public assistance.

Then on the flip side, I've got a friend that's from Hong Kong originally. He came over after finishing HS and was a HS exchange student with the Sr class. He then received a student visa and went to school to learn how to repair commercial jets. Since that time he's worked and for the last 2 years had a job at the airport in San Fran and as of a few months ago in Louisville. Even though he didn't have a degree yet, he already has been making more than the majority of our country and is very highly skilled. The company that he just went to work for that rents space at the airport in Lou. just gave him a huge raise to steal him back from his job in SF.

Yet he's probably getting sent home soon because of how jacked up the system is. My rough understanding from what he's said his problem is that, to apply for the more permanent work visa you must have an undergrad degree in hand. When month must you apply in though? April. Everyone of course graduates in May. His current visa is up in October, and you can only apply every April. He hired a very respected immigration attorney a long while back, has his employer stepping up to the plate 100% for him and is doing everything possible to help, and he is still probably getting sent home. Thank goodness we'll have plenty of people still here that can throw down mulch and pick grapes!

West Virginia and Va Tech are really sister schools, so todays events hit WVU students/alums very hard

Jackson

Interfaith service also planned
WVU students organizing candlelight vigil Wednesday in memory of Va.Tech Student leaders at West Virginia University are planning a campus-wide candlelight vigil to remember the victims of today

It will take a great deal of time for Virginia Tech, and the people who make up the school, to recover from this. Healing starts tomorrow, and we can only send well wishes and hope it gets better for them.

People should refrain from going overboard with the anti-foreigner and anti-immigration sentiments because of this incident. So this killer was a foreigner or immigrant. But there have been many many many serial killers and massacrists in the past who were not foreigners or immigrants. Please try not to make an already horrible tragedy into something it clearly is not.

I hear it's a foreigner on the VTech baseball team whos GF dumped him and he went to her dorm to kill her but she wasn't there and killed her roomate instead...then the shooting begins

interesting enough, I believe they may have taken down the roster off the website bc i cant find ot anywhere

http://www.hokiesports.com

UCbball21 Wrote:interesting enough, I believe they may have taken down the roster off the website bc i cant find ot anywhere

http://www.hokiesports.com

i went through the stats....no asians, but if he was a first year player it could be that he didnt play. however, its all rumor anyway. details will come out soon enough.

word...this is just terrible. Imagine how the parents are going to feel/felt when they find out their kid was killed, or even worst was the one that killed all of those students...

now rumor has it it is some guy named James Kim, interstingly enough their are 2 sudents by that name on facebook that go to VTech. One of the names has been removed though...

There are all kinds of rumors. There is a drudge of an asian student at VT who's pictures on his website show he's ready for WWIII. He claims his arsenal is worth 5 figures in expensive weapons. His page that was invisible yesterday had 80,000 hits today and death threats until he posted on it today, showing he's still alive.

Its not him though. Its not worth trying to guess, we'll just have to see who it is when they announce a name. In the end the name isn't that important anyway.

Just terrible this whole thing. What a senseless, horrific act of violence. I have several friends at Virginia Tech whom I know through my fraternity. Thankfully all of them were safe and unharmed. My heart really goes out to all of the Virginia Tech family.

This is a terrible tragedy. The guy must had some serious issues to go nuts like this. I really hope the media does not turn this into some race/foreign issue cause it is not. All this proves there are crazy people in every race and some are very very violent.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:People should refrain from going overboard with the anti-foreigner and anti-immigration sentiments because of this incident. So this killer was a foreigner or immigrant. But there have been many many many serial killers and massacrists in the past who were not foreigners or immigrants. Please try not to make an already horrible tragedy into something it clearly is not.

No one did. That said this incident will cause the microscope to be focused on many hot button issues. You might as well get used to it.

This is one of the most informative articles I've seen....stranglye the paper is out of London

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...=1811&ct=5

this blog (not the most reliable souce of info) seems to think that many of the students were killed one by one execution style...Good Lord I can't imagine

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/04/virgin...unman.html

Jackson

L-yes Wrote:the shootings were two hours apart. Hard to believe the Univeristy or the university police arent liable for quite a few of the deaths.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266460,00.html


As I said some people will lose their jobs over this. The president's comments in the aftermath were defensive and pathetic considering the circumstances with the shootings two hours apart and an email to alert the campus instead of using a campus wide PA system.

Jackson1011 Wrote:This is one of the most informative articles I've seen....stranglye the paper is out of London

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...=1811&ct=5

Maybe it's because they are reporting the story rather than trying to assess blame like our national media does right after something like this happens.

I think people need to step back from the blame game and try to look at the situation objectively. What we know is that two students were killed at 7:15 AM, Blacksburg police and Virginia Tech campus security responded and took the bodies to the hospital, the authorities had someone in custody, they secured the particular dormitory where the shootings happened, and the administration went into an emergency meeting.

The President of Virginia Tech says they phoned all the Resident Advisors to alert the students in the dormitories and an e-mail was sent out. We now know the e-mail did not arrive until two hours after the first shootings took place and about 20 minutes before the big wave of shootings started. We can say they should have sent out the e-mail faster but what else could they have done? Could anything have prevented this?

Does Virginia Tech even have a campus wide PA system? How many schools do have campus wide PA systems for that matter? Does Virginia Tech have enough campus security officers to dispatch them everywhere to warn students? Are there enough Blacksburg police officers that could have come in on such short notice and helped them do such a thing? Should students coming to campus for class have been turned away?

I think it would have been a logistical nightmare no matter what they tried to do. Most employees do not even start arriving on campus until between 8:00 AM and 9:00 AM. Virginia Tech certainly had to have been understaffed at that time. The administration was meeting but information was scarce at that time. Maybe campus security was too overconfident that they had the person and it turned out to be the wrong guy?

Even if campus security thought they had caught the right guy, should they have canceled classes, locked students in their dorms, refused admittance to everyone at the gates, and put police all over campus anyway? I certainly think schools will do that in the future. But, with the information they had yesterday morning, would Virginia Tech have felt justified in doing that? Well, better safe than sorry, a lesson learned too late.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:I think people need to step back from the blame game and try to look at the situation objectively. What we know is that two students were killed at 7:15 AM, Blacksburg police and Virginia Tech campus security responded and took the bodies to the hospital, the authorities had someone in custody, they secured the particular dormitory where the shootings happened, and the administration went into an emergency meeting.

The President of Virginia Tech says they phoned all the Resident Advisors to alert the students in the dormitories and an e-mail was sent out. We now know the e-mail did not arrive until two hours after the first shootings took place and about 20 minutes before the big wave of shootings started. We can say they should have sent out the e-mail faster but what else could they have done? Could anything have prevented this?

Does Virginia Tech even have a campus wide PA system? How many schools do have campus wide PA systems for that matter? Does Virginia Tech have enough campus security officers to dispatch them everywhere to warn students? Are there enough Blacksburg police officers that could have come in on such short notice and helped them do such a thing? Should students coming to campus for class have been turned away?

I think it would have been a logistical nightmare no matter what they tried to do. Most employees do not even start arriving on campus until between 8:00 AM and 9:00 AM. Virginia Tech certainly had to have been understaffed at that time. The administration was meeting but information was scarce at that time. Maybe campus security was too overconfident that they had the person and it turned out to be the wrong guy?

Even if campus security thought they had caught the right guy, should they have canceled classes, locked students in their dorms, refused admittance to everyone at the gates, and put police all over campus anyway? I certainly think schools will do that in the future. But, with the information they had yesterday morning, would Virginia Tech have felt justified in doing that? Well, better safe than sorry, a lesson learned too late.

#1 yes VT has a campus wide PA system. If you're worried about chaos, at the very least you can tell students and staff to lock/barricade themselves in their rooms.

#2 there were two hours between an on campus shooting and the massacre in which the bulk of the deaths occurred. Hell yes they could have gotten an email out sooner. People were dying when they finally decided to pursue this course of action.

#3 it came from sources at VT in the police department that they thought the gunman had 'left campus' therefore no further warning of the student body or staff was necessary. Gross negligence no matter your angle. If someone murders two people in a dorm and you can't find him or aren't sure you have him you err on the side of security. You don't assume anything. My guess is they gambled rather than disrupt the entire campus this close to the end of the semester.

#4 if the authorities thought they had their man, which they didn't, (they had no idea who they had as they were evidently locking down any male Asian student they could lay their hands on at an engineering school) then they didn't need to add language to an email to 'report any suspicious behavior'. That tells me that the initial report of the cops assuming the killer fled campus is true which makes them complicit imo in the murders.