(04-25-2015 12:39 AM)shere khan Wrote: fsu is 155-44 vs the acc since joining.
in the 90's after joining the acc, fsu was 62-2, it was pure slaughter.
fsu has won the acc about 15 times since they joined.they won 9 outa the
first 10 acc titles after they joined.
fsu won about 30 straight conf games after they joined the acc.
it was a joke and still is. it took last second heroics to beat the sec in the nat championship game. fsu beat everyone in the acc by 30 and 40 points. the only schools to keep it close were sec schools.
no way in hell they would have dominated SEC or any other conference. bowden was from birmingham, played at alabama and howard college (now samford) and understood the sec would bury fsu as a mid range team. heck when bowden played at bama and howard college in birmingham--- florida state had only been accepting men for a couple of years because it had beena girls school. i know a couple of men s that went to fsu in the 1960's because it was easy to get admitted.
i think its all interesting and amazing that fsu had grown into a big time school so to speak in the past 50 years. people can spin it anyway they want but fsu wanted no part of the SEC or any other football conference. they still dont want be in a conf with texas and oklahoma, fsu is and has been a big fish in a small football pond for 30 years.
if texas, alabama, ohio state and usc....for example... go to the playoffs and an undefeated florida state gets left out due to playing soft old big east schools the GOR wont be worth the paper its printed on. the lawyers will worm them outa the deal on a broken promise or performance clasue.
thats what the big money folks at fsu fear and it will be the price they are gonna pay for being in the week acc. i still dont think fsu will jump but they will rattle their sabres to get more respect for the acc. fsu doesnt want to win a conference championsip by beating up a powderpuff like duke. its looks bad, hence the deregulation talk so they can look better beating an interdivisional opponent.
they reason fsu has its panties in a wad now after all those years of using the acc to pad their stats is because there are only 4 spots and the beating up powder puff method may not be enough anymore to get them a shot at the MNC.
there it is, no spin all layed out flat.
Heres the BIG question though.... How and WHY?
FSU isnt going to the SEC. Florida will not let it happen. Florida has an ally in this, Georgia, South Carolina and Texas A&M. None want a B12 or ACC school added and will easily vote against it. I also have heard that Bama and Auburn are not fans of the idea of adding FSU, who recruits the same areas locally.
So where can they go? Big 10... nope, theyre not AAU. Only Florida could be added from this state. So that leaves the Big 12.
The Big 12 and ACC make roughly the same money with the exception of the ability to sell its third tier rights. The ACC is making their own network. The Big 12 made a moderate sum in the NCAA tournament... the ACC just set a new record for NCAA credits.
When you put pen to paper, a move to the B12 won't make FSU much more money at all and with a $50 million exit fee and GOR, it wont be cheap. Can they get out of it, hell ya. Everybody gets out if they want but Maryland showed us that the $50 million exit fee is actually about $32... but we have no idea how much the GOR will cost, since that was added after they left.
Also, Maryland had a legal leg to stand on since they voted against the exit fee, whereas FSU and company voted not only for it but also the GOR. I wouldnt doubt at all that it costs FSU a minimum of $50 million total to leave and with the marginal difference in income, it would take them a decade to make that back.... plus they would have to play harder football teams, no longer be associated with the top notch academics of the ACC (which has helped their rankings) and they would no longer be in the ACCs research co-op.
but throw ALL of that out the window. I dont eve care about it.
Heres the real reason they arent going to the B12. It doesnt make sense for ESPN.
Why would ESPN cripple the ACC? You take out Clemson and FSU and the ACC is now basically the AAC in football. The ACC has but one and slightly a second shining star in the turd that is ACC football. UNC is about to get hammered, Miami screws up every few years, Virginia Tech is a shell of itself, Duke got pretty good but nobody cared.
If ANYBODY thinks conference realignment has anything to do with helping the school or conference then youre insane. It has to do with making ESPN (first) and Fox (second) more money. Boston College openly admited that raiding the Big East was ESPNs idea and supported by them. In the Maryland lawsuit against the ACC, they said the exact same thing.
The Big East told ESPN no on the $10 million a year deal they offered and said we were going to market. Less then a year later there was nothing left of the Big East. Why? Because we were no longer a sure bet and an asset to ESPN. If we had played ball, I gurantee to you that Texas, Tech, OK and OSU would be in the Pac16 and ISU, KU, KSU, and Baylor would be in the Big East along with TCU. That was the plan, we mucked it up and ESPN gang raped us for it.
This is why any conference realignment will more then likely happen between ESPN owned conferences. The ONLY wildcard is The Big 10. They are the only non ESPN controlled player on the board and they could mess things up. This is why I think that you wont see a massive bid by ESPN. They will keep it realistic and allow Fox to take it without a huge fight. Then Fox agrees to not help the B10 take any ACC teams.
With ESPN and Fox working together, they can both make a ton of cash and control college sports.
So FSU will stay exactly where they are.