(04-20-2015 04:14 PM)Kruciff Wrote: Unfortunately for you, they have 8 NFL DB's on their roster too.
As long as we can hold their offense, I think we can score on them. We put up nearly 600 yards on them in January.
only if carden was returning...
Kurt Benkert, remember the name, bigger arm than Carden.
Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
(04-20-2015 04:15 PM)NBPirate Wrote: As long as we can hold their offense, I think we can score on them. We put up nearly 600 yards on them in January.
only if carden was returning...
Kurt Benkert, remember the name, bigger arm than Carden.
Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
(04-20-2015 04:23 PM)pesik Wrote: only if carden was returning...
Kurt Benkert, remember the name, bigger arm than Carden.
Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
It has been ours to lose, and we've lost it. Just like we were sitting at 23rd in the nation last year and lost on last second FG (Cincy) and last second hail mary (UCF)
(04-20-2015 04:30 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote: Kurt Benkert, remember the name, bigger arm than Carden.
Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
It has been ours to lose, and we've lost it. Just like we were sitting at 23rd in the nation last year and lost on last second FG (Cincy) and last second miracle(UCF)
exactly.
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2015 05:46 PM by ncbeta.)
(04-20-2015 04:23 PM)pesik Wrote: only if carden was returning...
Kurt Benkert, remember the name, bigger arm than Carden.
Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
I didn't say that in 10, 11, or 12. 2010 we lost 34 lettermen, anyone saying that the title was ours to lose was off their rocker, say for 2011. 2012 I thought we had a shot, but not ours to lose. 2013 it was, and last year we had our shot and lost.
Also, where in my post did I say anything like that? I was saying we have a shot against UF and that Benkert is better than you think. You haven't seen him, I have. He has had two years in the system behind Carden, the same amount of time Carden had before he started.
(04-20-2015 04:30 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote: Kurt Benkert, remember the name, bigger arm than Carden.
Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
I didn't say that in 10, 11, or 12. 2010 we lost 34 lettermen, anyone saying that the title was ours to lose was off their rocker, say for 2011. 2012 I thought we had a shot, but not ours to lose. 2013 it was, and last year we had our shot and lost.
Also, where in my post did I say anything like that? I was saying we have a shot against UF and that Benkert is better than you think. You haven't seen him, I have. He has had two years in the system behind Carden, the same amount of time Carden had before he started.
And Pete DiNovo is the all time leader in passing yards in Pinellas County, surpassing Tampa Bay Buccaneers Super Bowl Backup QB, and the leader of the 1998 undefeated Tulane Green Wave, Shaun King. He had amazing high school highlights, and performed well in the 2 Spring Games he participated in, as well as being scout team player of the year during his redshirt year.
And now he's a Wide Receiver.
What i'm trying to say is it's fine to be optimistic. It's not to EXPECT a better performance this year, than last year with your record setting 2+ year starting QB with his also record setting 4 year starting WR.
I was at the spring game on Saturday and Benkurt does have a big arm, but he needs to put a little more air under his deep passes. He over threw 3 receivers on long passes because he threw them on a line. He will adjust and will be good.
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2015 06:04 PM by PirateJim.)
(04-20-2015 04:33 PM)Kruciff Wrote: Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
I didn't say that in 10, 11, or 12. 2010 we lost 34 lettermen, anyone saying that the title was ours to lose was off their rocker, say for 2011. 2012 I thought we had a shot, but not ours to lose. 2013 it was, and last year we had our shot and lost.
Also, where in my post did I say anything like that? I was saying we have a shot against UF and that Benkert is better than you think. You haven't seen him, I have. He has had two years in the system behind Carden, the same amount of time Carden had before he started.
And Pete DiNovo is the all time leader in passing yards in Pinellas County, surpassing Tampa Bay Buccaneers Super Bowl Backup QB, and the leader of the 1998 undefeated Tulane Green Wave, Shaun King. He had amazing high school highlights, and performed well in the 2 Spring Games he participated in, as well as being scout team player of the year during his redshirt year.
And now he's a Wide Receiver.
What i'm trying to say is it's fine to be optimistic. It's not to EXPECT a better performance this year, than last year with your record setting 2+ year starting QB with his also record setting 4 year starting WR.
I. Jones, Bryce Williams, Jimmy Brown, Trevon Brown, Davon Grayson, pretty much our in tire WR corp minus 2 guys returns. Yes, we lost the top two WR's. But, Trevon Brown was a true freshmen behind Cam Worthy, but had several starts. I. Jones is a 2 year starter opposite Justin Hardy, Jimmy Brown has 2 years, Bryce Williams has 3 years in. Seriously, where do you think over half the passing yardage went to? These guys. Cam Worthy took till his SR. Year to really show what he had. Justin Hardy was well Justin Hardy. But, with our Offense that we can plug just about any guy in a QB and throw for 3,200 yards easy. When our out going OC said he is the real deal, I take his word over the one or two examples you came up with that failed. If he doesn't work we got Cody Kieth and Blake Kemp waiting.
(04-20-2015 06:03 PM)PirateJim Wrote: I was at the spring game on Saturday and Benkurt does have a big arm, but he needs to put a little more air under his deep passes. He over threw 3 receivers on long passes because he threw them on a line. He will adjust and will be good.
It was the same WR 3 times, we shouldn't have had the 6'5 TE running the go route not fast enough. The other over throw the WR gave up on the route.
Also, Farrier could see the field at WR right away.
(04-20-2015 04:44 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote: Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
I didn't say that in 10, 11, or 12. 2010 we lost 34 lettermen, anyone saying that the title was ours to lose was off their rocker, say for 2011. 2012 I thought we had a shot, but not ours to lose. 2013 it was, and last year we had our shot and lost.
Also, where in my post did I say anything like that? I was saying we have a shot against UF and that Benkert is better than you think. You haven't seen him, I have. He has had two years in the system behind Carden, the same amount of time Carden had before he started.
And Pete DiNovo is the all time leader in passing yards in Pinellas County, surpassing Tampa Bay Buccaneers Super Bowl Backup QB, and the leader of the 1998 undefeated Tulane Green Wave, Shaun King. He had amazing high school highlights, and performed well in the 2 Spring Games he participated in, as well as being scout team player of the year during his redshirt year.
And now he's a Wide Receiver.
What i'm trying to say is it's fine to be optimistic. It's not to EXPECT a better performance this year, than last year with your record setting 2+ year starting QB with his also record setting 4 year starting WR.
I. Jones, Bryce Williams, Jimmy Brown, Trevon Brown, Davon Grayson, pretty much our in tire WR corp minus 2 guys returns. Yes, we lost the top two WR's. But, Trevon Brown was a true freshmen behind Cam Worthy, but had several starts. I. Jones is a 2 year starter opposite Justin Hardy, Jimmy Brown has 2 years, Bryce Williams has 3 years in. Seriously, where do you think over half the passing yardage went to? These guys. Cam Worthy took till his SR. Year to really show what he had. Justin Hardy was well Justin Hardy. But, with our Offense that we can plug just about any guy in a QB and throw for 3,200 yards easy. When our out going OC said he is the real deal, I take his word over the one or two examples you came up with that failed. If he doesn't work we got Cody Kieth and Blake Kemp waiting.
(04-20-2015 04:46 PM)Kruciff Wrote: And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
I didn't say that in 10, 11, or 12. 2010 we lost 34 lettermen, anyone saying that the title was ours to lose was off their rocker, say for 2011. 2012 I thought we had a shot, but not ours to lose. 2013 it was, and last year we had our shot and lost.
Also, where in my post did I say anything like that? I was saying we have a shot against UF and that Benkert is better than you think. You haven't seen him, I have. He has had two years in the system behind Carden, the same amount of time Carden had before he started.
And Pete DiNovo is the all time leader in passing yards in Pinellas County, surpassing Tampa Bay Buccaneers Super Bowl Backup QB, and the leader of the 1998 undefeated Tulane Green Wave, Shaun King. He had amazing high school highlights, and performed well in the 2 Spring Games he participated in, as well as being scout team player of the year during his redshirt year.
And now he's a Wide Receiver.
What i'm trying to say is it's fine to be optimistic. It's not to EXPECT a better performance this year, than last year with your record setting 2+ year starting QB with his also record setting 4 year starting WR.
I. Jones, Bryce Williams, Jimmy Brown, Trevon Brown, Davon Grayson, pretty much our in tire WR corp minus 2 guys returns. Yes, we lost the top two WR's. But, Trevon Brown was a true freshmen behind Cam Worthy, but had several starts. I. Jones is a 2 year starter opposite Justin Hardy, Jimmy Brown has 2 years, Bryce Williams has 3 years in. Seriously, where do you think over half the passing yardage went to? These guys. Cam Worthy took till his SR. Year to really show what he had. Justin Hardy was well Justin Hardy. But, with our Offense that we can plug just about any guy in a QB and throw for 3,200 yards easy. When our out going OC said he is the real deal, I take his word over the one or two examples you came up with that failed. If he doesn't work we got Cody Kieth and Blake Kemp waiting.
Who's Jimmy Brown?
Meant Jimmy Williams, sorry.
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2015 06:23 PM by ecumbh1999.)
(04-20-2015 01:40 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: AAC are clear favorites:
Memphis @ Kansas
Vanderbilt @ Houston
Games that could go either way:
Penn State @ Temple
UCF @ Stanford
East Carolina @ Florida
Houston @ Louisville
UCF @ South Carolina
Virginia Tech @ East Carolina
Miami @ Cincinnati
East Carolina @ BYU
Syracuse @ USF
Cincinnati @ BYU
Games we have a puncher's chance of winning:
USF @ Maryland
Ole Miss @ Memphis
Notre Dame @ Temple
UConn @ BYU
Games we have virtually no chance of winning:
Duke @ Tulane
Baylor @ SMU
USF @ Florida State
Tulane @ Georgia Tech
UConn @ Missouri
SMU @ TCU
Tulsa @ Oklahoma
Navy @ Notre Dame
The ABSOLUTE best I could see our conference doing against P5's/BYU/Notre Dame is 7-17. I would be very happy with that. I think it's looking pretty grim though...
Pretty much what im thinking too. Navy and Temple have the biggest opportunity in one-off games. UCF and ECU have the potential to string together some nice wins but it will be uphill battles.
(04-20-2015 01:40 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: AAC are clear favorites:
Memphis @ Kansas
Vanderbilt @ Houston
Games that could go either way:
Penn State @ Temple
UCF @ Stanford
East Carolina @ Florida
Houston @ Louisville
UCF @ South Carolina
Virginia Tech @ East Carolina
Miami @ Cincinnati
East Carolina @ BYU
Syracuse @ USF
Cincinnati @ BYU
Games we have a puncher's chance of winning:
USF @ Maryland
Ole Miss @ Memphis
Notre Dame @ Temple
UConn @ BYU
Games we have virtually no chance of winning:
Duke @ Tulane
Baylor @ SMU
USF @ Florida State
Tulane @ Georgia Tech
UConn @ Missouri
SMU @ TCU
Tulsa @ Oklahoma
Navy @ Notre Dame
The ABSOLUTE best I could see our conference doing against P5's/BYU/Notre Dame is 7-17. I would be very happy with that. I think it's looking pretty grim though...
Pretty much what im thinking too. Navy and Temple have the biggest opportunity in one-off games. UCF and ECU have the potential to string together some nice wins but it will be uphill battles.
I would probably move Duke@Tulane up to at least a punchers chance. Duke is breaking in a new QB and their star receiver that led them in catches and yards is also gone. They also lost their leading tackler who was a safety and 2 defensive lineman who were also starters. Plus it is a home game. Tulane also returned 15 starters.
(04-21-2015 08:40 AM)pesik Wrote: no offense to ecu or ucf but all their p5 need to be moved to punchers chance not either way..on paper both are rebuilding
I don't disagree with you at all. Even if we weren't rebuilding the best we could manage against perennial powers in power 5 conferences would be even.
I do disagree that this is necessarily a rebuilding year. We're still not at 100% and the win total and conference championship was a pleasant surprise from last year, but I would argue that we were rebuilding more than this year, if not in quantity.
The reason I say this, is that UCF has always had a strong defense under O'Leary. We don't rebuild on defense, we really do reload. Will there be some growing pains? Absolutely. But replacing the back 7, in my mind, isn't as disastrous as replacing the most productive O-Line, QB, and RB that we were doing last year.
The WR's might be cause for concern, but if what I've seen from the QB-WR connection in spring practice is true, Holman might have gained just enough in the offseason to mitigate some WR losses. IF the O-line can coalesce and make some holes for the running game, we will be back in the championship game conversation. We will know whether that's the case or not very early in the season.
It's good and important for the league to put a few P5 skins on the wall, but also important to Not-Lose any of the 24 games against FCS, G4 opponents. Losing to Army or a MAC team would be very bad news.
(04-22-2015 03:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: It's good and important for the league to put a few P5 skins on the wall, but also important to Not-Lose any of the 24 games against FCS, G4 opponents. Losing to Army or a MAC team would be very bad news.
I just don't want to hear their harping and skewed logic when they self proclaim themselves the kings of the G5 after beating up on the dregs of the other G's.
(04-20-2015 02:34 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote: Not sure about UCF's chances in either game. I think Standford is a more likely victory than SCar, but you never know.
I think we're one year away from expecting to be in either of these games. Let alone both. Let's hope the incoming freshman contribute more than we expect them to.
Our biggest problem is qb. I don't think Holman gets it done and Harris isn't working out. Unless Schneider kills it, it might be a while.
(04-20-2015 04:33 PM)Kruciff Wrote: Justin Holman has a bigger arm than Blake Bortles, even now. Doesn't mean better, and last year for UCF is a testament to that.
Not many believed me when I said Carden would throw for more than 4,000 yards last year and he did. Benkert is a better all around QB than Carden. Carden was money on his throws, but had limited range and wasn't fast on his feet. Benkert has a Cannon and much better runner. Believe me or not, when all is said and done Benkert will be better. He may not get every record Carden set, but will get many and be close on others. We will go deep allot more this year. We have the WR's to do it and the QB. Mix in our stacked RB corp (even minus Mangus) we will be a load on O this year.
It's funny, everyone said we were nothing without Chris Jonhson after 07, but we had 1,000 yard rusher the next year and won CUSA, then won it again. Everyone said we were done when we lost Dwayne Harris, they were wrong. We had Justin Hardy. Now again, they are saying were are done minus Carden and Hardy. Nope, Benkert at QB, Jones, Brown, Williams, Williams, Grayson and many others, plus our RB's Scott, Grayson, etc. We are just fine. Keep right on dismissing.
And every year since '09 ECU fans have been saying the Championship is theirs to lose. 5 years later...
It has been ours to lose, and we've lost it. Just like we were sitting at 23rd in the nation last year and lost on last second FG (Cincy) and last second miracle(UCF)
exactly.
You guys lost that game in the first 3.5 quarters. We almost lost it in one
