(04-15-2015 12:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  We are talking football here not basketball.

In college basketball, home court is a statistically proven decisive advantage way more than any other sport played. Just look how ODU won at home but performed miserably on the road.

bull****.

"If you average up Boyd’s results you find that college basketball owns a 62.25 percent home-court advantage over the last 10,000 games played.

In terms of how college football stacks up with these figures, as per our own calculations, the FBS ranks of college football enjoyed a 62.8 percent success rate when playing at home from 2001-11, a number that jumps up to a whopping 67.27 percent when you break this down to just the BCS teams and Notre Dame."

Source document:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15847...-in-sports

If you are going to troll the ODU, or any other, fanbase, at least start with "facts" not so easily disproved. I completely agreed with your OOC scheduling comments, and thought it was funny. Making up crap to facilitate an insult meant to elicit a response is not.

I used to believe that Dawgxas was a VCU fan incognito -- come over to troll the ODU posters. I don't believe that anymore.

I think instead that (s)he is a ULL fan, whose primary purpose is to play a "false flag" operation so as to embarrass the La. Tech. fan base. Is there a thread in which Dawgxas hasn't gone down in an humiliating heap of logical inconsistencies and falsehoods?

To their immense credit, most La. Tech. fans have avoided becoming embroiled in the that Dawgxas is attempting to provoke.

But if I am wrong in this theory, then Dawgxas truly rates as the most ineffective troll that I have ever seen on any sports forum.

I think baseball has the biggest home field advantage. Each ballpark is shaped differently and has different dimensions. It's not like football, basketball, soccer, tennis, etc. where the fields/courts are a standard size. The home team is familiar with the ballpark moreso than the other team.. The players know the dimensions. They know the gaps. They know the wind patterns. They also get last bat.

This home field advantage in baseball is pretty significant, even in postseason. Since 1999 there have been 110 Super Regional games played on home fields (not counting neutral field games). The home team wins the Super Regional 75.45% of the time.

(04-15-2015 01:50 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I used to believe that Dawgxas was a VCU fan incognito -- come over to troll the ODU posters. I don't believe that anymore.

I think instead that (s)he is a ULL fan, whose primary purpose is to play a "false flag" operation so as to embarrass the La. Tech. fan base. Is there a thread in which Dawgxas hasn't gone down in an humiliating heap of logical inconsistencies and falsehoods?

To their immense credit, most La. Tech. fans have avoided becoming embroiled in the that Dawgxas is attempting to provoke.

But if I am wrong in this theory, then Dawgxas truly rates as the most ineffective troll that I have ever seen on any sports forum.

You guys need to loosen up, ya'll can't take a joke without going crazy. ODU has great fan support, ya'll packed the place out and ya'll are loud which gives the team a distinct home court advantage.

There is a reason Casino sports book give such a huge advantage to home courts in college basketball. Of course not all schools are created equally so just looking at the win percentage at home versus away is no good.

I have never seen betting lines for fairly even football teams given such a home field advantage. Why? In basketball depending on the school, arena, attendance, raucousness of the student section, this advantage exist more than any other sport and is reflected in the betting lines. Remember these casino sports book make money consistently. Call it BS, illogical are whatever you want but the proof is in the pudding or should say money.

Not only that, anyone that has played basketball and football knows the advantage in basketball more so than football. Different settings for the goals, different lighting, different sections behind goals that effects shots. These advantages just don't exist to that extent in football.

The average homefield advantage for college football FBS games is 3.3 points, while the average score of a FBS game is 29.1 points (home) versus 25.8 points (away). Data mined from 2008 - 2013. Here is the link....

http://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2014/7/...e-football

"Homecourt advantage in college basketball is typically presumed to mean "about four points" (the average right now is actually closer to 3.7) difference in the final score." Note in this data that ODU was indeed above average at 4.3, LaTech was at 5.0, and VCU (which owns a rabid fanbase and sells out all games) is BELOW average at 3.0, which is surprising. Here is the source for this 2000 - 2012 data......

http://www.predictionmachine.com/college...-advantage

Betting lines reflect this advantage, as you so strongly stated in your response. However, once again, your assertions of which sport enjoys the greater advantage at home are not supported by the data. 3.3 points for a home team averaging 29.1 points in a college football game is a much greater percentage of total offensive output than the 3.7 points for the average home basketball team in 2012 (69.98, to be exact), thus, the effect of home court/field advantage on a percentage basis of points scored is more than double (11.3% vs 5.3%).

You are correct in asserting that different stadiums/arenas carry different advantages (some are even negative if you read the basketball data link), but in your attempt to troll ODU, you once again have made assertions that the data does not back up. However, please troll away; as even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

I think you are missing the point and the data you presented doesn't address what I'm referring to.

Not really a assertion but a common known fact among sports bettors that home court advantage is greater in basketball with evenly matched teams than in football.

Any given college basketball night lesser rank teams in every poll are favored at home and sometimes by more than 6 or 7 points. This is not near as common in football. There are hundreds of examples of this phenomenon especially with schools that have strong followings such as Utah State, Gonzaga, Wichita State. Home field advantage is present football yes but not to the extent as in basketball where lesser ranked teams are frequently favored at home.
Ask any sports fan that follows and knows college sports and you'll get the same answer. I honestly thought you had better understanding of sports than what you are suggesting.

Which is exactly why I posted the ppg advantage for several schools, including VCU.

Again, I literally eviscerate you in this thread with data refuting your original and follow-on assertions. You claim you are joking and not to take you so seriously, even with your continued passive-aggressive attacks on one particular school. You now again go on the attack about my knowledge of sports, despite the fact I am posting facts supported by links to defend my position. You just post "feelings" and more insults. Even with this last post, you post about BB schools with strong followings; I presented one earlier to refute this claim, knowing that was coming.

"The black and gold ride a 50-game consecutive sellout streak that began January 29, 2011, several games before Shaka Smart led his 2010-2011 team to a Final 4 appearance. Demand was clearly high then, but since that magical run ticket demand has shot through the roof."

Here is the link......http://www.vcuramnation.com/2014/11/vcu-on-the-verge-of-extending-sellout-streak-throughout-season-before-it-even-begins/

And this school is BELOW the average homecourt advantage you claim is so prevalent.

Please keep playing. Interacting with you is like watching the Jerry Springer show, and you are the one behind the plexiglass.

Well good news is MT has a better home court advantage than probably everyone else in C-USA :D

Of all the schools in CUSA, MTSU is the one that has had our number. Two regular-season ending losses and a football game that started horribly in front of a national audience on a Friday night (with a streaker).

Looking forward to finally moving the needle on major sports vs your school.

(04-15-2015 08:42 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  So UTEP's sos is next to last even though they play Arkansas and Texas Tech both on the road? I realize the game at NMSU (fbs but weak) and the home opener vs Incarnate Word, a new fcs, weaken the schedule, but that much? May as well have scheduled NMSU and IW twice each and had a nearly guaranteed 4 wins to start the season.

No, we did that last year and it didn't work.

(04-15-2015 09:43 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Which is exactly why I posted the ppg advantage for several schools, including VCU.

Again, I literally eviscerate you in this thread with data refuting your original and follow-on assertions. You claim you are joking and not to take you so seriously, even with your continued passive-aggressive attacks on one particular school. You now again go on the attack about my knowledge of sports, despite the fact I am posting facts supported by links to defend my position. You just post "feelings" and more insults. Even with this last post, you post about BB schools with strong followings; I presented one earlier to refute this claim, knowing that was coming.

"The black and gold ride a 50-game consecutive sellout streak that began January 29, 2011, several games before Shaka Smart led his 2010-2011 team to a Final 4 appearance. Demand was clearly high then, but since that magical run ticket demand has shot through the roof."

Here is the link......http://www.vcuramnation.com/2014/11/vcu-on-the-verge-of-extending-sellout-streak-throughout-season-before-it-even-begins/

And this school is BELOW the average homecourt advantage you claim is so prevalent.

Please keep playing. Interacting with you is like watching the Jerry Springer show, and you are the one behind the plexiglass.

What about most of the P5 scheduling single games against low G5 and FCS. Those 60-0 numbers are surely gonna skew the data by a lot. No basketball matchups are that lopsided. Not trying to get in the argument, just genuinely curious if the data is flawed because of the nature of lopsided games. A 20 point win in basketball can be considered very lopsided and rare. It is not rare for football teams to win 50-10 or worse. I think that is why he was pushing for evenly matched teams. If the spread is -1 it generally means the teams are evenly matched with homefield advantage factored in. I'd be curious to see the result of actual spread and win/loss percentage of those games only.

(04-16-2015 12:06 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 09:43 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Which is exactly why I posted the ppg advantage for several schools, including VCU.

Again, I literally eviscerate you in this thread with data refuting your original and follow-on assertions. You claim you are joking and not to take you so seriously, even with your continued passive-aggressive attacks on one particular school. You now again go on the attack about my knowledge of sports, despite the fact I am posting facts supported by links to defend my position. You just post "feelings" and more insults. Even with this last post, you post about BB schools with strong followings; I presented one earlier to refute this claim, knowing that was coming.

"The black and gold ride a 50-game consecutive sellout streak that began January 29, 2011, several games before Shaka Smart led his 2010-2011 team to a Final 4 appearance. Demand was clearly high then, but since that magical run ticket demand has shot through the roof."

Here is the link......http://www.vcuramnation.com/2014/11/vcu-on-the-verge-of-extending-sellout-streak-throughout-season-before-it-even-begins/

And this school is BELOW the average homecourt advantage you claim is so prevalent.

Please keep playing. Interacting with you is like watching the Jerry Springer show, and you are the one behind the plexiglass.

What about most of the P5 scheduling single games against low G5 and FCS. Those 60-0 numbers are surely gonna skew the data by a lot. No basketball matchups are that lopsided. Not trying to get in the argument, just genuinely curious if the data is flawed because of the nature of lopsided games. A 20 point win in basketball can be considered very lopsided and rare. It is not rare for football teams to win 50-10 or worse. I think that is why he was pushing for evenly matched teams. If the spread is -1 it generally means the teams are evenly matched with homefield advantage factored in. I'd be curious to see the result of actual spread and win/loss percentage of those games only.

Yes, very good points. The avg point home win and avg home spread is very much skewed by those blow-out games which some P5 will have 2-3 a year. Those stats aren't really pertinent to this discussion. As you mention it is hard to make the comparison between basketball and football scores.

I can say this because I follow the betting lines of both sports. Evenly matched or even lower ranked home basketball teams are frequently favored (sometimes heavily favored) where as in football it is not near as common.

The football data was for FBS v FBS games only.