(05-13-2015 01:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:57 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:08 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Do any of you really think a MWC school is going to add hundreds of thousand of dollars to their travel budgets and then see a drop in attendance at the gate.....

for a few TV dollars?

If you do, you're not thinking this through. There's more than TV dollars involved in a conference move....rivalries which equals ticket sells, lost or gained can be a lot more than the few dollars you get from a TV contract.

If CUSA needs to add a team it will be USA and not one or two from the MWC which would be a step down in the minds of those schools. Unless you are talking mega millions ...TV dollars are not the deciding factor in a conference move.

USA fits everything CUSA is looking for better than any other school out there that wants to join this conference and I'm convinced...well at least 85% convinced USA will be the newest member of CUSA. Probably before July, well at least the invite.

USA is not even close to being the front runner. A lot of things have to "fall through" before ever getting to USA.

Well I guess we'll see but since you talk like you actually "know" it's time for you to put it on paper instead of vague comments that means nothing and everything.

Time for you to actually put a name on here...don't you think?

I have been following the Marshall message boards for years (like a decade or so.)

Whether he puts a name out here or not doesn't matter to me. I truly believe he knows what he is talking about. So much so, that I have been looking for his posts on here just in hopes of finding some vague comments.

I would say he actually does have some inside info.

Means nothing on this forum....

this isn't national defense and it's hard for me to believe if someone told anyone something about the conference they would say...

pinky swear...TOP SECRET

If you can drop hints that covers a wide range of schools...hell just about every school and he even left a out on USA. Then you're really not saying anything. So honestly if it's pinky swear...TOP SECRET should a person even be hinting in the first place?

He might be hearing what's best for Marshall but in the end what's best for Marshall might not be what's best for CUSA. Adding a MAC school...unless that school can go in the west is not what's best for 5 maybe even 6 eastern schools...

Well everyone but Marshall. So unless that schools moves west I don't think the votes are in place for a MAC school and it still probably isn't even if the east agrees

And we haven't even talked about the west and it's even worse.

So lets forget about the pinky swear...TOP SECRET stuff and if you have something to say....

SAY IT

There are several different agendas at work among CUSA members right now and I have little doubt that Marshall's doesn't include USA and that's what's being heard by some. It's all going to shake out if they need to get into a room and figure out who can get the votes. That's when the compromising begins that could very well lead to USA (or another candidate) getting an offer.

(05-13-2015 12:08 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Do any of you really think a MWC school is going to add hundreds of thousand of dollars to their travel budgets and then see a drop in attendance at the gate.....

for a few TV dollars?

If you do, you're not thinking this through. There's more than TV dollars involved in a conference move....rivalries which equals ticket sells, lost or gained can be a lot more than the few dollars you get from a TV contract.

If CUSA needs to add a team it will be USA and not one or two from the MWC which would be a step down in the minds of those schools. Unless you are talking mega millions ...TV dollars are not the deciding factor in a conference move.

USA fits everything CUSA is looking for better than any other school out there that wants to join this conference and I'm convinced...well at least 85% convinced USA will be the newest member of CUSA. Probably before July, well at least the invite.

USA is not even close to being the front runner. A lot of things have to "fall through" before ever getting to USA.

FWIW, I've heard the same from our end and from someone associated with a current CUSA school.

(05-13-2015 02:07 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Oh, one last thing.

Marshall is going to pretty much run **** in the East, might as well get used to it.

Just like Rice, So Miss, and UTEP are going to run **** in the West.

Sorry, just the way it is.


Edit: Not because we are better or anything like that. It's because we have been here longer. I remember as a Marshall fan when we first came to CUSA. It was hard for us, cause we had been one of the leaders in our previous conferences. We had to learn our role in a way. We are excited at Marshall to once again be one of the leaders in the conference.

Ignorance is bliss.

(05-13-2015 02:30 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 01:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:57 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:08 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  USA is not even close to being the front runner. A lot of things have to "fall through" before ever getting to USA.

Well I guess we'll see but since you talk like you actually "know" it's time for you to put it on paper instead of vague comments that means nothing and everything.

Time for you to actually put a name on here...don't you think?

I have been following the Marshall message boards for years (like a decade or so.)

Whether he puts a name out here or not doesn't matter to me. I truly believe he knows what he is talking about. So much so, that I have been looking for his posts on here just in hopes of finding some vague comments.

I would say he actually does have some inside info.

Means nothing on this forum....

this isn't national defense and it's hard for me to believe if someone told anyone something about the conference they would say...

pinky swear...TOP SECRET

If you can drop hints that covers a wide range of schools...hell just about every school and he even left a out on USA. Then you're really not saying anything. So honestly if it's pinky swear...TOP SECRET should a person even be hinting in the first place?

He might be hearing what's best for Marshall but in the end what's best for Marshall might not be what's best for CUSA. Adding a MAC school...unless that school can go in the west is not what's best for 5 maybe even 6 eastern schools...

Well everyone but Marshall. So unless that schools moves west I don't think the votes are in place for a MAC school and it still probably isn't even if the east agrees

And we haven't even talked about the west and it's even worse.

So lets forget about the pinky swear...TOP SECRET stuff and if you have something to say....

SAY IT

I've been on this board for way too long and I feel comfortable saying I trust MUHERD76. Things may not work out exactly as he has heard so far because there are a lot of moving parts but his info has always been reliable. Also, if someone truly has a source, you don't give that up because you would no longer have a source. Know what I mean?

Of course you don't say anything if someone ask you not to but then again...

you don't say anything.

He's going to be right this time not matter what happens. He has to because honestly he's said a lot but really said nothing. If his source is reading the CUSA forum (and we both know the likelihood of someone in the position to know this firsthand isn't reading this board) then how in the world could they be mad by him locking in a team...or two.

He's quick to say it's not this or that school then go on to say..unless something happens. So like I said this isn;t something that is top secret and if he can say CUSA has talked to some schools...

name them or say nothing

If this had something to do with Marshall only and no one knew what was going on and someone told you not to say anything...

yeah, I can understand that. You keep it quite. This isn't one of those cases and to be honest if it was you don't even hint that you know anything. I'm not questioning him on if he heard what he's hinted at I'm sure a few of us has heard things from someone at our schools. At this point nothing is in stone and anything could change or changed. So I'm not questioning his truthfulness...

just say something or nothing especially if you are going to comment on another persons post

(05-13-2015 04:50 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:08 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Do any of you really think a MWC school is going to add hundreds of thousand of dollars to their travel budgets and then see a drop in attendance at the gate.....

for a few TV dollars?

If you do, you're not thinking this through. There's more than TV dollars involved in a conference move....rivalries which equals ticket sells, lost or gained can be a lot more than the few dollars you get from a TV contract.

If CUSA needs to add a team it will be USA and not one or two from the MWC which would be a step down in the minds of those schools. Unless you are talking mega millions ...TV dollars are not the deciding factor in a conference move.

USA fits everything CUSA is looking for better than any other school out there that wants to join this conference and I'm convinced...well at least 85% convinced USA will be the newest member of CUSA. Probably before July, well at least the invite.

USA is not even close to being the front runner. A lot of things have to "fall through" before ever getting to USA.

FWIW, I've heard the same from our end and from someone associated with a current CUSA school.

There are strong advocates of a particular school.

If USA is added, they need to play in the East, since it sounds like it's the East members who really want them for some reason. Then the West can add two to even things out. Don't try pushing USA on the West. If you guys want them, you guys keep them.

I think if UAB is expelled from CUSA the debate is really about WHETHER OR NOT to expand at all. I have heard considerable sentiment for CUSA to just stay at 13.

(05-13-2015 02:30 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 01:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:57 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:08 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  USA is not even close to being the front runner. A lot of things have to "fall through" before ever getting to USA.

Well I guess we'll see but since you talk like you actually "know" it's time for you to put it on paper instead of vague comments that means nothing and everything.

Time for you to actually put a name on here...don't you think?

I have been following the Marshall message boards for years (like a decade or so.)

Whether he puts a name out here or not doesn't matter to me. I truly believe he knows what he is talking about. So much so, that I have been looking for his posts on here just in hopes of finding some vague comments.

I would say he actually does have some inside info.

Means nothing on this forum....

this isn't national defense and it's hard for me to believe if someone told anyone something about the conference they would say...

pinky swear...TOP SECRET

If you can drop hints that covers a wide range of schools...hell just about every school and he even left a out on USA. Then you're really not saying anything. So honestly if it's pinky swear...TOP SECRET should a person even be hinting in the first place?

He might be hearing what's best for Marshall but in the end what's best for Marshall might not be what's best for CUSA. Adding a MAC school...unless that school can go in the west is not what's best for 5 maybe even 6 eastern schools...

Well everyone but Marshall. So unless that schools moves west I don't think the votes are in place for a MAC school and it still probably isn't even if the east agrees

And we haven't even talked about the west and it's even worse.

So lets forget about the pinky swear...TOP SECRET stuff and if you have something to say....

SAY IT

I've been on this board for way too long and I feel comfortable saying I trust MUHERD76. Things may not work out exactly as he has heard so far because there are a lot of moving parts but his info has always been reliable. Also, if someone truly has a source, you don't give that up because you would no longer have a source. Know what I mean?

I have "sources". I don't HINT. My sources are my friends and they expect me to know what I can say and to whom I can say it... or NOT.

(05-13-2015 12:19 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  To Harborpoint....why wouldn't ARMY consider coming back to a CUSA 3.0? Yes, the Knights were dominated by CUSA 1.0 back in the day, but CUSA has changed a lot. ARMY would be a lot more competitive in today's CUSA that no longer includes Louisville, Cincinnati, ECU, Southern Miss (Ooops. Just kidding), Houston, etc...

I've said before and I'll say again that Army coming back is entirely plausible. CUSA today bears little resemblance to the CUSA they left, and most every difference works in Army's favor (just for starters, CUSA now has a bigger Atlantic Coast presence and the Army All-American Bowl now shares its field with a CUSA member).

I would not be at all surprised if they accepted an invitation.

(05-13-2015 12:56 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I see your point, but I thought the idea was to shrink CUSA's geographical footprint. We would have to move someone to the west and I think that WKU or MT would have a cow...and I don't think Army would be willing to play 3 road games out west not to mention travel for all of the other sports.

Re: Army playing in the West, as I've stated before, USM, UTSA, and UTEP all have major Army bases either in town or practically in town. That strikes me as something that would make that deal go down easier for the folks at West Point, if they'd even need convincing. As I said in the post above, the Army All-American game is in San Antonio every year.

As far as the other sports, I don't see that being an issue. If Army comes, it'll be football-only. Honestly, what interest would CUSA have in Army's other sports, anyway? As much as I dislike the hybrid model, an exception for the US Military Academy is reasonable.

(05-13-2015 01:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Army has 2 CUSA schools scheduled 4 times in the next 7 years and 1 twice. You would think if they were in any talks with CUSA..even informal since there isn't a spot open right now. They wouldn't be adding new OOC contracts with CUSA schools. I don't know about the other CUSA schools but just this past month Army and Western agreed to a new home and home contract.

Western had a home and home with S. Miss when we got the invite but Army is packed with CUSA schools over the next 7 years

That doesn't mean anything either way. Were Army to join, the games could either go on as scheduled and simply become conference games or they could be swapped out for other CUSA opponents. It might open up a non-conference date later in the year for the scheduled team, but half of the equation would already be solved.

Exactly and as an independent they'd more than likely have to reschedule some non-conference games anyway if they were to join.

....this may be a weird idea.....

What if CUSA voted to keep UAB as a basketball only member, and invited ARMY to join as a FOOTBALL only member?? That way, CUSA would still have 14 members for both sports. That should be very doable.

(05-14-2015 11:58 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  ....this may be a weird idea.....

What if CUSA voted to keep UAB as a basketball only member, and invited ARMY to join as a FOOTBALL only member?? That way, CUSA would still have 14 members for both sports. That should be very doable.

As of now, CUSA doesn't do affiliate memberships, right? All sports and FBS football, or nothing.

(05-14-2015 12:05 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:58 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  ....this may be a weird idea.....

What if CUSA voted to keep UAB as a basketball only member, and invited ARMY to join as a FOOTBALL only member?? That way, CUSA would still have 14 members for both sports. That should be very doable.

As of now, CUSA doesn't do affiliate memberships, right? All sports and FBS football, or nothing.

Correct. Although it might work well logistically, I see that scenario as a very hard sell.

(05-14-2015 12:05 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:58 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  ....this may be a weird idea.....

What if CUSA voted to keep UAB as a basketball only member, and invited ARMY to join as a FOOTBALL only member?? That way, CUSA would still have 14 members for both sports. That should be very doable.

As of now, CUSA doesn't do affiliate memberships, right? All sports and FBS football, or nothing.

CUSA can do ANYTHING it wants to make itself a better conference. I could easily argue that keeping UAB basketball and adding ARMY football BOTH make CUSA a better, more recognizable conference. If ARMY will bite, this is what should be done.

(05-14-2015 12:08 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:05 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:58 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  ....this may be a weird idea.....

What if CUSA voted to keep UAB as a basketball only member, and invited ARMY to join as a FOOTBALL only member?? That way, CUSA would still have 14 members for both sports. That should be very doable.

As of now, CUSA doesn't do affiliate memberships, right? All sports and FBS football, or nothing.

Correct. Although it might work well logistically, I see that scenario as a very hard sell.

What's hard to "sell" about it? A bunch of guys (AD's) get in a room and decide to do it. They vote on it, and it's done. It ain't THAT hard. It might take 30 minutes.

For the 3,879th time, Army is not returning to CUSA under any circumstances. They have been there and done that and so has CUSA.

(05-14-2015 12:16 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  For the 3,879th time, Army is not returning to CUSA under any circumstances. They have been there and done that and so has CUSA.

.....and once more for the record, it has been clearly established (at least for those of us who can read) that ARMY previously left CUSA because they were getting their brains beat in by a bunch of schools that are NO LONGER in CUSA today. Specifically, Louisville, TCU, South Florida, ECU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, etc.... Those schools are all GONE today! So, ARMY --in all likelyhood-- could compete much better in CUSA 3.0 today, than it did in CUSA 1.0 back in 2004.

If Army can't compete in this C-USA then they don't belong in FBS.