(04-13-2015 01:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:34 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Not only will ODU not be in the top 10, it is almost a guarantee that no member of C-USA will ever field a top 10 team, much less be consistently in the top 10. It just isn't going to happen in today's college football environment.

Could ODU some day make the top 10? Yes, some time after they make a move to the ACC and become a full-fledged P-5 university. Lord only knows if that will ever happen, but I strongly suspect not in my lifetime.

Not necessarily. It would requiring going undefeated plus playing a Tech-like schedule. If Tech beats K-State and Mississippi State (strong as last year teams) and runs the CUSA schedule. A top 8,9,10 would be realistic.

When Tech was in the WAC, Boise was ranked in that vicinity for several years and in 2010 Boise was 2nd in the AP poll. And Nevada was ranked close to 10 after beating Boise later that year.

I agree with you that it's possible but it's important to note that the only reason that Boise got the #2 rank is because they started the season at #5. The only reason that they started #5 is because they ended the previous season at #4 (14-0) and the only reason that they ended up at #4 is because they started the season at #14 and the only reason that they started the season at #14 is because they finished the previous season at #11 (12-1).

That #2 rank came about through going 32-1 with the one loss being by a single point to #11 TCU in a bowl game. Along the way they went 4-1 against ranked teams. They had a great resume and it took a long time to get the respect that they deserved. A top 10 rank for a C-USA team will probably take two undefeated (or one loss to high P5 teams) seasons and some big scalps along the way. All the hard work is gone with a single loss to a conference mate (see Marshall), it's like playing Monopoly when everybody else has hotels and you have a house on Baltic Avenue.

It's unlikely, but remember that USF was ranked #3 a few years back (2007?). The deck is heavily stacked against G5 teams, but it's not impossible.

(04-13-2015 03:57 PM)Artifice Wrote:  It's unlikely, but remember that USF was ranked #3 a few years back (2007?). The deck is heavily stacked against G5 teams, but it's not impossible.

Yes. But they were in the BCS Big East at the time. Same team, but the rankers and media dont hold them to the same standard.

(04-13-2015 02:29 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 01:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:34 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Not only will ODU not be in the top 10, it is almost a guarantee that no member of C-USA will ever field a top 10 team, much less be consistently in the top 10. It just isn't going to happen in today's college football environment.

Could ODU some day make the top 10? Yes, some time after they make a move to the ACC and become a full-fledged P-5 university. Lord only knows if that will ever happen, but I strongly suspect not in my lifetime.

Not necessarily. It would requiring going undefeated plus playing a Tech-like schedule. If Tech beats K-State and Mississippi State (strong as last year teams) and runs the CUSA schedule. A top 8,9,10 would be realistic.

When Tech was in the WAC, Boise was ranked in that vicinity for several years and in 2010 Boise was 2nd in the AP poll. And Nevada was ranked close to 10 after beating Boise later that year.

I agree with you that it's possible but it's important to note that the only reason that Boise got the #2 rank is because they started the season at #5. The only reason that they started #5 is because they ended the previous season at #4 (14-0) and the only reason that they ended up at #4 is because they started the season at #14 and the only reason that they started the season at #14 is because they finished the previous season at #11 (12-1).

That #2 rank came about through going 32-1 with the one loss being by a single point to #11 TCU in a bowl game. Along the way they went 4-1 against ranked teams. They had a great resume and it took a long time to get the respect that they deserved. A top 10 rank for a C-USA team will probably take two undefeated (or one loss to high P5 teams) seasons and some big scalps along the way. All the hard work is gone with a single loss to a conference mate (see Marshall), it's like playing Monopoly when everybody else has hotels and you have a house on Baltic Avenue.

No it wouldn't. Tech was ranked #19 before losing it's last 2 games in 2012. And that was with a lost to Texas A&M. If Tech beats A&M (lost by 2) and wins out, around 8 or 9 ranking would have been most likely.

If Tech beats K-State in Manhattan and beats M. State in Starkville, then wins out. Then a top 10 ranking would be possible for next year

If Marshall would have played 1 top 25 team and maybe 1 decent Big 10 team last year and won out. They would have been ranked 8,9, or 10. Instead they played Miami (Ohio), Rhode Island, Akron.

I understand where you coming from and that ya'll have only play football for a few years, so I will cut you some slack. But to say that no CUSA will ever be in the top 10 or it would take multiple undefeated years is just not the case.

I actually agree with dawgxas. OOC scheduling is obviously the key.

(04-13-2015 05:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 02:29 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 01:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:34 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Not only will ODU not be in the top 10, it is almost a guarantee that no member of C-USA will ever field a top 10 team, much less be consistently in the top 10. It just isn't going to happen in today's college football environment.

Could ODU some day make the top 10? Yes, some time after they make a move to the ACC and become a full-fledged P-5 university. Lord only knows if that will ever happen, but I strongly suspect not in my lifetime.

Not necessarily. It would requiring going undefeated plus playing a Tech-like schedule. If Tech beats K-State and Mississippi State (strong as last year teams) and runs the CUSA schedule. A top 8,9,10 would be realistic.

When Tech was in the WAC, Boise was ranked in that vicinity for several years and in 2010 Boise was 2nd in the AP poll. And Nevada was ranked close to 10 after beating Boise later that year.

I agree with you that it's possible but it's important to note that the only reason that Boise got the #2 rank is because they started the season at #5. The only reason that they started #5 is because they ended the previous season at #4 (14-0) and the only reason that they ended up at #4 is because they started the season at #14 and the only reason that they started the season at #14 is because they finished the previous season at #11 (12-1).

That #2 rank came about through going 32-1 with the one loss being by a single point to #11 TCU in a bowl game. Along the way they went 4-1 against ranked teams. They had a great resume and it took a long time to get the respect that they deserved. A top 10 rank for a C-USA team will probably take two undefeated (or one loss to high P5 teams) seasons and some big scalps along the way. All the hard work is gone with a single loss to a conference mate (see Marshall), it's like playing Monopoly when everybody else has hotels and you have a house on Baltic Avenue.

No it wouldn't. Tech was ranked #19 before losing it's last 2 games in 2012. And that was with a lost to Texas A&M. If Tech beats A&M (lost by 2) and wins out, around 8 or 9 ranking would have been most likely.

If Tech beats K-State in Manhattan and beats M. State in Starkville, then wins out. Then a top 10 ranking would be possible for next year

If Marshall would have played 1 top 25 team and maybe 1 decent Big 10 team last year and won out. They would have been ranked 8,9, or 10. Instead they played Miami (Ohio), Rhode Island, Akron.

I understand where you coming from and that ya'll have only play football for a few years, so I will cut you some slack. But to say that no CUSA will ever be in the top 10 or it would take multiple undefeated years is just not the case.

I'll correct myself, but not because of these points. An undefeated C-USA team will be top 10 because of an access bowl win against a top 12 or so opponent

It is possible. In 1999 Marshall went 13-0 and finished #10 in the nation.

Thankfully this is our last year of a completely weak OOC schedule. At least we have Purdue this year.

I did a little research and that all makes sense now! Its all about beating quality opponents and keeping winning seasons going. I get it now! If we did somehow win all our games and a bowl game, we could climb into the top 25, we play a ranked Marshall team and an ACC team.

(04-13-2015 09:30 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 05:04 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 02:29 PM)ODUgradstudent Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 01:31 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 09:34 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Not only will ODU not be in the top 10, it is almost a guarantee that no member of C-USA will ever field a top 10 team, much less be consistently in the top 10. It just isn't going to happen in today's college football environment.

Could ODU some day make the top 10? Yes, some time after they make a move to the ACC and become a full-fledged P-5 university. Lord only knows if that will ever happen, but I strongly suspect not in my lifetime.

Not necessarily. It would requiring going undefeated plus playing a Tech-like schedule. If Tech beats K-State and Mississippi State (strong as last year teams) and runs the CUSA schedule. A top 8,9,10 would be realistic.

When Tech was in the WAC, Boise was ranked in that vicinity for several years and in 2010 Boise was 2nd in the AP poll. And Nevada was ranked close to 10 after beating Boise later that year.

I agree with you that it's possible but it's important to note that the only reason that Boise got the #2 rank is because they started the season at #5. The only reason that they started #5 is because they ended the previous season at #4 (14-0) and the only reason that they ended up at #4 is because they started the season at #14 and the only reason that they started the season at #14 is because they finished the previous season at #11 (12-1).

That #2 rank came about through going 32-1 with the one loss being by a single point to #11 TCU in a bowl game. Along the way they went 4-1 against ranked teams. They had a great resume and it took a long time to get the respect that they deserved. A top 10 rank for a C-USA team will probably take two undefeated (or one loss to high P5 teams) seasons and some big scalps along the way. All the hard work is gone with a single loss to a conference mate (see Marshall), it's like playing Monopoly when everybody else has hotels and you have a house on Baltic Avenue.

No it wouldn't. Tech was ranked #19 before losing it's last 2 games in 2012. And that was with a lost to Texas A&M. If Tech beats A&M (lost by 2) and wins out, around 8 or 9 ranking would have been most likely.

If Tech beats K-State in Manhattan and beats M. State in Starkville, then wins out. Then a top 10 ranking would be possible for next year

If Marshall would have played 1 top 25 team and maybe 1 decent Big 10 team last year and won out. They would have been ranked 8,9, or 10. Instead they played Miami (Ohio), Rhode Island, Akron.

I understand where you coming from and that ya'll have only play football for a few years, so I will cut you some slack. But to say that no CUSA will ever be in the top 10 or it would take multiple undefeated years is just not the case.

I'll correct myself, but not because of these points. An undefeated C-USA team will be top 10 because of an access bowl win against a top 12 or so opponent

Before a BCS bowl in 2012, Tech was #19 with a lost to A&M before the final 2 games.
Which Tech ended up losing to: Utah State which was ranked and ended the year at#16. San Jose State was also ranked and ended the year at #21.
Tech would have probably came close to the top 10 even with the lost to A&M if Tech would have beat Utah State and San Jose State.

This upcoming year also, before the access bowl, a top 10 ranking would be plausible, if Tech could pull out a wins against Miss State and K State. Now those wins are really unlikely, but hey Tech beat Alabama when they were SEC champs so anything is possible.

(04-13-2015 05:28 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I actually agree with dawgxas. OOC scheduling is obviously the key.

I see it too.

Back on topic:

N.C. State turned down a request from ODU to play a Friday night game at Foreman Field on the CBS Sports Network. http://t.co/klke3fR1uK

Nothing wrong with their stance. I respect it.

It makes sense from a recruiting standpoint. You want your target audience to be able to watch the game.

No complaint here.

It's really not worth it for CBS Sports Network. They're not in as many homes as FS1 and are usually on a sports tier you have to pay more.

That makes sense. We also want the kids there to see us actually beat NC State this time.